"Are You Afraid Of The Truth"........

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Have I understood you correctly?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Nope. <br><br> Hey QUTB, this board is full of intelligent people. I'll let them make their own mind up what Im referring to when I suggest that people "get off the fence and do something", instead of reading obscufating crap designed to both distract, and sow seeds of doubt over who did 9/11.<br><br> I'll let them look at what I said, and in what order, and then how you subsequently quote me, and in what order, and make their own mind up.<br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yes, they apparently fail your ideological litmus test.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> Wrong again. They fail the "cut the bullshit" test. They fail the "whos side are they on" test, by their pseudo intellectual fogging the water ramblings about who might or might not have been behind 9/11. <br><br> <br> Hell, they arent even very good at it.<br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Inanna]

the next time anti-semitic accusations fly, that people just ignore the poster. Might seem simplistic, but just might work. <p></p><i></i>

[proldic]

and red herrings, it just might work. <br><br>Btw, Inanna, couple of questions:<br><br>Was wondering, are you otherwise known as "TT" -- cause why did Thumperton say "Hi TT" in response to your post from Rense on the Dateline Indonesian false-flag terror thread? I take it you're a friend of Thumperton? <p></p><i></i>

[Inanna]

which has nothing to do with anything you might be thinking. It's an atheist, freethinker board. I only participate in politics and occasionally misc. discussions there. <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>anti-semitic accusations fly<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Inanna, some of the most frequent posters on this board argue that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the real minutes of a real meeting, and not a forgery. <br><br>People who choose to believe that the Protocols is a real document are usually either neo-Nazis, or so completely detached from reality that you could convince them the moon was made out of green cheese if you made a half decent effort of it. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>

[michael meiring]

And some of the posters peddling the 'debris' fell on WTC7 and caused it to fall in symmetrical fashion, after wearing thin the pancake and syrup wacko theory, seem to want you not to read them and make your own mind up again. <br><br>And they seem to insist these are forgeries?<br><br>I myself, before these self same people lie in wait, ready to ambush to scream anti semite,I have an open mind whether they are forged or real. To me it makes no difference. Its the content matter that needs examining. Perhaps if we just took out the ethnicity of the archetects we may be able to debate the content from a neutral point?<br><br>Somebody waffled on about them being forgeries because the times of London said so.<br><br>But under that logic perhaps we should still believe Saddam still has his WMD's ready for launch in 45 mins? as that was reported in the same paper?<br><br>I read them years ago, none made much of an impact, but with the same type of people screaming hysteria and trying to guide people from looking and making up their OWN MIND constantly, it does make me ponder to think, is it worth another read? they seem a bit 'heavy' and i skirted through it last time, still i was very green and naieve them days.<br><br>If i hear wackos trying to persuade me, debris falling from the towers caused WTC7 to fall in perfect symmetary, and the same wackos telling me that, 'dont read that, its a forgery, blah,blah,blah, what would i think? hmmm......<br><br>Is it a case of dont bother, i have made your mind up for you? or is it, I'll make my OWM MIND up for MYSELF? <p></p><i></i>

[proldic]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Perhaps if we just took out the ethnicity of the archetects we may be able to debate the content from a neutral point?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You are one <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>stupid</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> motherfucker. No wonder you blew your leg off. <p></p><i></i>

[michael meiring]

Prol Dic? whats up? cant use the anti semite slur?<br><br>I look forward to your next intellectual assement. <p></p><i></i>

[toscaveritas]

I haven't posted here in a while. Been busy and mostly just trying to read occasionally, to keep up with this board and other matters. <br><br>But I must comment on this one! <br><br>Control freaks, egomaniacs, criminals and fascists come in all shades, creeds, races and nationalities. NO people, race or nation is without those elements. No people are immune to be taken over, exposed to mindcontrol/propaganda and fear-based herd manipulation (us vs. them). That's just for the record and I think everyone would agree .<br><br>As far as literature goes....<br><br>I don't care whether something is a forgery or proven , documentedly 'authentic'. Heck, many authors are known to have stolen material, used 'ghost writers' , etc.Even artists used students and lay people to do work for them, for which they later harvested the praise. Those things are unfortunately normal but don't lessen the products value or content in any way. <br><br>I actually learned alot from reading Machiavellis' 'The Prince' , which is FICTION, but very accurate in describing mechanisms of power. Should one discount and not read it because it is fiction? What about George Orwell? Fiction = junk? <br><br>I've never read 'the protocols' and probably won't even get to for lack of time and other priorities, BUT I wouldn't even discount or junk it because of questionable authorship. It may be a forgery- but does it outline structures, methods of control/power in a similar fashion as Machiavelli did in his FICTIONAL book? <br><br>Names, places, dates are interchangeable and of no importance really, especially with The Prince or Orwell's 1984. It's the educational value of how power is gained, expanded and maintained, that is the core issue of interest for me. I don't see how anyone would regard a reader of 'the prince' as being 'anti-italian' or an 'italo-phobe'. So why could an intelligent person not read this and distiguish properly?<br><br>I would apply the same standard there also AND I have to agree with slimmouse: if there is such fierce condemnation of one work of literature, it must be interesting! And why do people, who have never read it, quote other people's opinions to try to intimidate you from reading just one work of literature (its just letters in order, really)? <br><br>I don't believe in witch-hunts and book burnings. Those are measures of the desparate and fearful. Freedom needs integrity and honesty, characteristics which need no force or censorship, intimidation or harassment. <br><br>Words can't hurt, they are simply letters assembled in an order, actions can! <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

michael meiring and toscaveritas - thanks for outing yourselves. I have to agree with proldic here - if you're not neo-Nazis, you're two stupid motherfuckers <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

for petessakes, i think i might have been the first one on this board to say out loud to proldic that he goes overboard looking for jew-haters...and i have not changed my mind that he got it wrong about cindy sheehan a while back<br><br>but<br><br>if the posters who are so ready to go after him for zealously defending the jews could take a step back and look at a bigger picture<br><br>i'd think they could understand that when you are one voice against a world of dis-info and hate-mongering that has been out there forever, you have to spend twice the energy in defense that the offense is expending, just to keep a level playing field.<br><br>me an' "my pal proldic" have some old unresolved issues, but those of you who just can't see where he's coming from...and that there's an easily understandable reason for it... are getting on the prom committee's nerves big time.<br><br>(p, are you ever going to see why i said you shoot yourself in the foot sometimes? are you ever going to believe my intent was to help you see you do it, so you'd be careful not to?)<br><br>your time is being wasted for you, and that makes me sad.<br><br>and mm, you appear to think you have got it all sussed as to who posts where and why, but i beg you to consider that it ain't nearly as simple as you are telling yourself.<br><br>you're ignoring a whole lot of variables. please do not be so quick to judge, as you risk being taken astray by what you carve in granite. <p></p><i></i>

[thurnandtaxis]

I haven't had a chance to see a screening of this film yet, but here's a link to his blog:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://thinkfilm.blogs.com/protocols_of_zion/">thinkfilm.blogs.com/protocols_of_zion/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Not much response to his postings there yet but it seems that you<br>folks who have such inclinations towards the seemingly futile debate over this subject might like to read/post some thoughts over there.<br><br>My personal exposure to this stuff came from William Cooper's<br>chestnut-filled "Behold A Pale Horse". He called them "The Illuminati Protocols", but then again he was also trying to convince<br>us of the veracity of his tales of EBE "Origional Hostage Krill". <br><br>Much like David Icke who referred to the Protocols by such a title<br>as well the issues of extraterrestrial elements in a grand-unified<br>theory have always led me to be quite skeptical.<br><br>Sure the Machiavellian tactics can't help but ring true - I am especially convinced of the dialectical stratagems behind organized sporting events - but the finger pointing, well I for one am convinced it is misdirected, over-simplistic, and diversionary.<br><br>I think we can see some of the discordian results right here<br>amongst this otherwise very thought-provoking and expositional<br>board-group.<br><br>BTW: What do folks think of "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" ?<br>another "mysterious elite-blueprint" type document. I know<br>the guy who is claiming authorship, Hartford Van Dyke, is serving<br>jailtime. Is he another rightwing disinfo-agitator?<br><br>How about "Report From Iron Mountain"? A satire it's recently emerged aurthors claim.<br>Are they leftwing disinfo?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

Wow I thought name calling was against the forum rules, and why does proldic get a free pass?? <p></p><i></i>

[michael meiring]

Yes, here it comes, right on cue. when you have no anti semitism to hurl, plan b. the ol personal insult slur.<br><br>Qutb, you agree with your buddy prodic....well no suprise there. You swear and curse at me for being stupid? yet its you who believes WTC7 was brought down by debris?!!! causing a symmetrical fall.? <br><br>And now you are outing me as some nazi? you are getting more ridiculous by your posts if thats possible.<br><br>Where is this proof of yours? is it akin to the debris and pancake with syrup powers of detection?<br><br>take the jewish angle out of the content and replace it with what you wish. Why i waste my time responding to you debunkers beats me.<br><br>If you cannot even grasp that most basic fundemental point, well.<br><br>Still from the boards self elected policemen of what we can and cannot read to make our own minds up, i guess you may well get that promotion to sergent after all.<br><br>It seems this has really touched your nerves ends here eh? one wonders why?<br><br>Here it is, one last single time, as basic and as primitive as i can make it for you.<br><br>Take the nationalility, ethnicity out, look at the content in regards to world events etc, is that even too basic a line of intellect for you two clowns to follow?<br><br>You are stuck in an ethnicity/nationality biggotry that seems unlikely to be surpased. <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Inanna, some of the most frequent posters on this board argue that the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the real minutes of a real meeting, and not a forgery.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> Would you mind informing myself, Innanna, and the board who these "some of the most frequent posters " are , and your evidence for arriving at this conclusion ?<br><br><br> Meanwhile in trying to make any number of strangely spurious, not to mention highly contentious points , I actually dont mind that you seek to ridicule peoples posting , and quote them completely out of context, or even in the wrong order in a strange attempt to attatch some kind of stereotyping, or youre general accusations of racism, along with sweeping unproven generalisations such as the one above.<br><br> <br> After all, Its youre name next to it. Im just surprised you cant seem to see it as clearly as the next intelligent mind on here. <p></p><i></i>