Thoughts about Dream's End?

[Jeff]

Is he being disruptive or out of order? I'm not crazy about what he's been doing here lately, and naturally I'm not thrilled that he's been posting on his own site that I and others here are involved somehow in Theresa Duncan's hoax-murder. But because he's made me part of it I'm not sure if I can trust my judgment on what best to do about him, if anything. Any thoughts you have on the subject would be helpful.

BTW, sorry I let it slide but I'll create the new forum we discussed overnight.

[sunny]

Hoo boy. Unfortunately, I don't think you can trust my judgement either, when it comes to DE.

But I'll try to flesh it out with you, fwiw.

I guess he's not accusing you of murder, since he doesn't think D/B are dead. But he is accusing you and et (at least) of gaslighting him. The basic problem, as I see it, is that he can't be reasoned with. He refuses to address what people are actually saying to him and instead seems to be responding to a conversation in his head. He's looking to scapegoat someone for a trip he was warned against taking to begin with.

My main problem is I've developed a somewhat unwelcome cup of compassion for him. I can see he's in over his head, but he just keeps digging. If he could be convinced to drop this vein of inquiry, at least here, and to stop making accusations against you at his place, perhaps we can avoid banishing him.

However, if he keeps up, I can see from your point of view that not only banning would be appropriate, but more concrete steps out in the real world might be called for.

Just my ten cents.
sunny

[Jeff]

That's worth a lot more than a dime, sunny; thanks.

Good advice and good analysis. It does seem as though we're spectators to his interior conversation.

[professorpan]

Can someone direct me to the threads in question? I've been an absentee moderator of late, due to my book deadline. I'll skim, but a direct link to a thread would be helpful so I can weigh in. Thanks.

[Jeff]

Most of it's contained in this thread. He shows up on page 5.

There's also the matter of what he's been posting on his board, and how he's acting as an provocateur over here to fan the flames over there.

[professorpan]

Thanks, Jeff and sunny. I just wallowed through the thread (and now I have to wash my clothes).

I haven't checked his board yet, and some of the particulars of who-said-what are too dense for me to follow, but I think DE has pretty much shown his true colors. He's gone off the deep end, far more so than I originally suspected.

My vote? Let him continue to hang himself. The entire Duncan/Blake thing has run off the rails and the wreckage isn't even smoking anymore. It's so nonsensical I wouldn't even waste any more time discussing it.

I will check his forum and weigh in again, though I dread reading any more about this whole tempest in a teapot.

[Jeff]

Okay, so I had some back and forth with him in IM. I asked him to give me a reason why I shouldn't ban him, because his accusations amount to calling myself and others here founts of disinformation. He challenged me to, and then asked that I do, so I have.

[professorpan]

Jeff, I have never doubted your judgment. And this is no exception.

[Jeff]

Cheers Pan.

[sunny]

Well, he asked for it.

[chiggerbit]

Sorry, I haven't checked in here lately, too busy. Frankly, I'm sorry to see DE get banned, even if he did challenge you to do it. No, he shouldn't have been pissing on your leg, Jeff, and I probably would have yanked him up short sooner than you did. But there really is something weird going on with the membership. Not sure what to call the flavor, but LaRouchian will do as good as any, for now. DE provided balance to that, sometimes all by himself. With him gone, I think it's going to be natural for the board to start leaning heavily towards that LR direction, and those with opposing views are going to drop out.

While I don't agree that TD and JB are still alive, there is certainly something fishy going on surrounding their deaths, and it isn't DE, although he is acting as one parasitic host for it. He seems to be aware of that fact. Sometimes, not always, DE can be really canny, so I'm going to continue to follow his blog, and I'm not going to be the least surprised when he does dig something (or someone ) up.

Also, I'm still not convinced that the board wonkiness is a coincidence of timing. Not sure if it's connected to this other, but I'm keeping my mind open to the possibilities.

Also, something else to consider-- there would seem to be two schools of followers of scientology, those who follow the new leaders and the ones who followed Hubbard, and there seems to be some friction between the two groups. Is it possbile that we have some of the latter here? Just trying to wrap my mind around some of the weirdness here, to consider ALL possibilities.

[chiggerbit]

And I wish I had had my pissy fit sooner. Maybe he would still be a member.

[Jeff]

Sorry, I haven't checked in here lately, too busy. Frankly, I'm sorry to see DE get banned, even if he did challenge you to do it. No, he shouldn't have been pissing on your leg, Jeff, and I probably would have yanked him up short sooner than you did. But there really is something weird going on with the membership. Not sure what to call the flavor, but LaRouchian will do as good as any, for now. DE provided balance to that, sometimes all by himself. With him gone, I think it's going to be natural for the board to start leaning heavily towards that LR direction, and those with opposing views are going to drop out.

Agree with that. He was a good counterweight to the LR crowd and the board is going to miss that from him. It takes some vigilance to keep them from overrunning everything they get close to.

[sunny]

Who do you all think of as LaRouchian? I'm not being sarcastic, I really want to know. I don't know enough about LRism to be able to spot them.

[chiggerbit]

Hate to guess, publicly. But, I'm starting to keep track a bit here and there.