Stormfront and RI

[Jeff]

FYI, I just posted this on the "No, anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism" thread:

No, it's not.

But words can be code, and it's a fool or worse who thinks "anti-Zionist" is not also used to mean "anti-Jew."

It's been done here. Here's an interesting thread I just discovered tonight over on Neo-Nazi Stormfront:

[i]To be completely honest, I'm very paranoid about posting on this site. I plan to get some anonymous proxy software but haven't done it yet. Is Anonymizer good? I tried using Shadowsurf for a bit, but it stopped working for some reason on this site.

That said, I invite everyone to have a look at another site that is not overtly WN but deals with this question to a lot to a broader audience. I don't post much there (same paranoia...and I think he can track IP addresses of posters, so do whatcha gotta do) but there are many threads tying in Zionism with the state of the world. I've only seen one person get banned, and he had the name "Free Zundel Now" or something like that, but if you aren't that overt you can pretty much say what you want. Zionist control of the media, congress, etc . While talking about "Jewish power" will get someone banned (maybe...maybe not, I'm not really sure and haven't attempted it) the discussion board is very, very anti-Zionist and anti-Israel but reaches a LOT of people. In fact, more recently since Zundel was banned, there was a thread very sympathetic to Zundel which was not even locked. You have to register to post but not to read. Registering to post simply requires a nick and an email to insure you aren't a spambot.

I believe in this kind of net activism. The blog attached to this site has gotten millions of hits. It deals with a lot of other stuff like conspiracy, occult, etc but the discussion board always has a bunch of threads about Jewish power and influence in the world. I'll link directly to one thread but have a look around. The blog is called "rigorous intuition" and you can link to the discussion board from there. Here's a link to one such thread.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/vi...ays=0&start=50

I didn't post this as an active link b/c I can't remember if I'm allowed to do that yet. Plus, if you go there by clicking, the mods might be able to track you back here...not sure about that.

That one is called "Zionists vs. truth". Currently, the other good anti-Zionist threads have dropped down several pages but there are always several of them. Note that there are some liberals and leftists who post on the board, but that's the point of going there...they aren't coming here. Most don't buy into "left vs. right" anyway. I think, with Israel now cheerleading us into a war with Iran, WHERE DUKE JUST ATTENDED THAT CONFERENCE, it is essential to start getting the message out. We may not have much time.

Hand's up, anyone, engaged in this kind of "net activism"?

I didn't think so. Only good "anti-Zionists" here, I'm sure....


So at least one member here is also a Stormfront member, encouraging infiltration and evangelism of White Nationalism and antisemitism while trying to fly under the radar of "anti-Zionism."

[chiggerbit]

Aha, is that where the new higher numbers are coming from? I assume that's where vigilant came from.

[Jeff]

Not sure. That Stormfront post is from January.

Seems like my point has been lost in the thread. Lots of "I don't get it."

[chiggerbit]

Currently, the other good anti-Zionist threads have dropped down several pages but there are always several of them.

Well, January makes it pretty old. But it does seem like there has been an increase in "the bankers done it" mentality lately.

[sunny]

So at least one member here is also a Stormfront member

Oh brother.

chiggerbit, why do you think it might be vigilant? What about dbd, since it was a while ago?

Sometimes, I think 11:11 might be dbd, but I'm not sure. They both come from Michigan, and have a lot of the same attitudes, but I think 11:11 was here at the same time, and some of her opinions are a little different.

I would sure like to know who it is.

[Jeff]

Sometimes, I think 11:11 might be dbd, but I'm not sure. They both come from Michigan, and have a lot of the same attitudes, but I think 11:11 was here at the same time, and some of her opinions are a little different.

That hadn't occurred to me. There are similarities in tone. dbd used a lot of different IPs. 11:11's used only two and there's no exact match, but one comes somewhat close.

I would sure like to know who it is.

Me too.

[chiggerbit]

Oh, I don't mean that he pointed the storm troopers here. But, although he tries to hide it under a lot of rational-sounding rhetoric, he's one of those "it's the bankers fault" idiots.

I saw one of those banker comments this past week, pretty sure it was him, and I just didn't have the energy to jump into the fray. These people suck the energy out of me somehow. They just never give up, keep nawing away at that bone, regardless of what they call it. I can understand Alice's interest in the subject-it's personal to her. And I suspect that a lot of Jews are every bit as racist in their way as any KKK-er. I do believe that "Arabs" get a bad break. But the American stormies? They don't care any more for the Arabs than they do for the Jews.

I suppose part of the problem is natural--old members have hashed out that subject and put it to rest, but new members come in and introduce it like it's all a new idea. Christ, if it isn't the ones trying to turn the board into a barroom brawl constantly, it's these LaRouchian-types.


I may get up enough energy later on to go do an analysis of how many of these types of topics are on each page for the last ten pages, compare it to a year ago, see if it's increasing like I think it is.

I miss DE.

[Jeff]

These people suck the energy out of me somehow.

I know, and agree about Alice, and the new members stirring it up because it's a fresh idea to them. I think I'll blame Ron Paul for them.

I've been wary of it, but maybe we're big enough and things are muddy enough now that we need the flesh out the rules more and post them in a more visible location. Maybe even have a list of prohibited links. Explicitly warn against Larouche, perhaps, for example.

What do you think?

[chiggerbit]

Explicitly warn against Larouche, perhaps, for example.

More like those signs stores put in their storefront windows: Soliciters not welcome.

Maybe even have a list of prohibited links.

Heh, or instead of outright prohibiting those links, strongly suggest those with said ideas who don't like the "unwelcome sign" here are free to leave to the following sites where their ideas are more welcome, as anything coming from those links is not welcome here:

1blah
2blah
3blah
4blah

Ok, so I'm lazy. A list of prohibited links means more policing. But feel free to make a rule that all are to avoid offending the resident Red Dragon (I think that's what Alice called me), who has good days and bad days, but who strikes without reason or warning.

[chiggerbit]

By chance, do you have one of these, Jeff?

http://www.sitemeter.com/

[Jeff]

Don't have one for the forum. Good idea.

And yeah, I don't think I'll go with the prohibited site list. Shit disturbers could always find their shit elsewhere and say "What? It's not on the list."