History of the Orgonite/Cloudbuster Movement

[MASONIC PLOT]

Here is what I do not understand, it is something I really really have tried to understand but as of yet I have found no answer.

If you have ACTUALLY WITNESSED with your own eyes that these zappers and cloud busters work and really WIN THE WAR against these reptillians and their negative energy that you are doing battle with, why arent you standing on street corners and BEGGING PEOPLE to use them, giving them away FOR FREE as matter of principle and in order to save the planet from its VERY SOON to come, destruction. Instead, you SELL the god damned things and make a business of it.

If I had something in my possession that i knew without ANY doubt whatsoever, would save this planet RIGHT NOW, and free the people from the grips of the beast, I would sell every god damned thing I own, I would testify to everyone I know what I have found and demonstrate its power and they would, in turn sell everything they own, we would take all our resources and make this product available to AS MANY PEOPLE AS WE CAN, IMMEDIATELY, not tomorrow, not after we set up a fucking e bay account or a website to sell them, not afte we hash it over on yahoo forums and write articles about it, I MEAN RIGHT NOW DROP everything and see to it that every man woman and child in this world has access to this technology IMMEDIATELY, id make them available RIGHT NOW to every single person who crossed my path, because I would know and be completely aware of the fact that it is a MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.

Why isnt this happening? Explain this to me. There is no god damned excuse, not a single one. If you posses the power to free this planet from its imprisonment and you are sitting on it while you get your marketing skills together than god be damned, we are all going down and its your fault as much as anyone elses, would it not be?

[marykmusic]

I'll tell you what, M Plot, why don't you buzz on up here (remember being invited a couple of weeks ago?) and we'll show you what we do and send you home with more knowledge than what you arrived with.

I don't make or sell zappers. Many I've had have been given away, to someone who needed it but didn't have the money.

Ash is given away every chance we get. That $5 that Dragon asks pays for the mailing, plus packaging. And not everybody can afford that, either.

Haven't you been listening? We get money from people who can afford it, and we do what we can ourselves to fill in the gaps.

You keep whining about us being here for the money. It simply isn't true.

We're here to reach more people. And it's working. --MaryK

[MASONIC PLOT]

No im not really concerned whether you make money or not, thats really not my point. I am trying to figure out why something so powerful isnt being handed out on every street corner of every city right now as we speak, if this is the answer to all our problems and the method that is needed to free this planet once and for all, why arent all the orgone zapper people standing on street corners demonstrating this power to everyone who crosses their path and ensuring every single man woman and child on this planet has access to this weapon? There is no longer time for games, marketing products, hashing it all over on forums and looking for an audience to give speeches to, its time to take this product, assuming it is real, as you claim, and see to it that very single person on this planet has access to it, if there are several hundred thousand people using orgone zappers like many websites claim, why arent they doing more to get the word out that the answer to the worlds problems have been found?

Maybe I am too much of an idealist, maybe Im too god damned utopian, but I really do not understand how such power can be kept down, assuming it is in fact real liberating power. Do you not agree, that such a powerful weapon should be in the hands of every single person you can reach, beginning tomorrow morning and doing whatever it takes to ensure it gets into their hands?

I can only speak for myself here, Mary, and above all I want the truth, Im not a guy to play games, fuck around and be skeptical of people just for shits and giggles, Im looking for truth and I know if I had something so powerful in my hands I would sell everything I own tomorrow morning and I would begin a mission to save this planet in earnest. If, on the other hand, I had some cute little magic wand that I thought some people might be interested in if I could make up a story that it really does pull rabbits out of hats, I would probably sit on my ass, make a yahoo forum about it and sell it on e bay and make enough money to keep a bong burning at all times. Do you understand what I am asking you?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

If, on the other hand, I had some cute little magic wand that I thought some people might be interested in if I could make up a story that it really does pull rabbits out of hats, I would probably sit on my ass, make a yahoo forum about it and sell it on e bay and make enough money to keep a bong burning at all times.

hrmm..

Ebay roxx0rz..

Oh look, here's a bonus one:



Where have I seen that shape before..At least someone has a sense of humor.

"Power for the rest of us.."

[MASONIC PLOT]

I'll tell you what, M Plot, why don't you buzz on up here (remember being invited a couple of weeks ago?) and we'll show you what we do and send you home with more knowledge than what you arrived with.

Mary, I would love to take you up on this offer but we would have to meet at an undisclosed place because there is no way in hell I am coming to where those black helicopters are and exposing my identity to the spooks watching your compound.

[dragon]

Masonic, you are just too funny for words. Let's keep this fantasy going, just to entertain the readers here, shall we?

There's a rest stop between here and the Valley, Sunset Point. Meet me there at 0300. The chopper drivers are off duty then. We'll exchange pass words, you'll get into my Batmobile. I got it used from Bruce Wayne when he upgraded to a later model.

You'll have to be blindfolded, of course, so that you can't reveal the location of our secret headquarters. Once here, you'll be scanned for implants, hidden cameras, and concealed audio.

You'll spend a couple of days here getting trained and de-briefed. Then, before we drop you off at the pick-up point, we'll hit you with the neuralizer. Just a little gift from our friends from out of town.

Do we have a deal?

Dragon

[dragon]

An alternate plan is that I can mail you some ash. Tell me what post office you use, and I'll send it General Delivery so the spooks won't know that I know your home address.

We've gotten really astonishing results from people who have used the ash. Might even cure paranoia. Worth a try.

Dragon

[erosoplier]

I built an orgone accumulator once. I became a fan of Reich via psychoanalysis, and when I heard he'd branched out into all sorts of crazy things and that I could build one of them myself, there was no stopping me. Except my friend at the time, who was into spiritual growth and personal evolution in a HUGE way, who convinced me that I should sell him my orgone box as I completed it (at cost of materials +10% - coz no one should be greedy about these kinds of things). I sat in it myself for around 15 minutes before he carted it away. Nice and warm it was.

A failed/aborted scientific test of the reality of orgone? Not entirely, I don't think. Memory fails me now, but I'm sure part of the deal was I'd be able to use the accumulator whenever I wanted - but I didn't end up using it again. I guess I figured that if whatever the box did was in any way desirable, my friend would soon have been at my doorstep urging me to come and spend some time in the box.

Anybody willing to pay that?

[MASONIC PLOT]

DEAL!

[dragon]

I thought about building one myself, and then I read the instructions. Said you have to keep it quite a distance from any standard power outlet. That really reduced the practicality of it. The hertzian waves are picked up and accumulated in the box, which makes for a negative experience, they said.

I discovered Don Croft's devices soon after. His orgone devices have no such limitations. Cheap to build, and portable. And very effective.

Dragon

[Joe Hillshoist]

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Could be onto something, but it could also be the case that your friend never really used it. I don't think those devices are supposed to do Jack if you are already healthy and well.

btw

I've got an Orgone Accumulator
It makes me feel greater
I'll see you sometime later
When I'm through with my Accumulator

It's no social integrator
It's a one man isolator
It's a back brain stimulator
It's a cerebral vibrator

Those energy stimulators
Turn your eyeballs into crators
But an Orgone Accumulator
Is a superman creator

It's no social integrator
It's a one man isolator
It's a back brain stimulator
It's a cerebral vibrator

I've got an Orgone Accumulator
And it makes me feel grater
I'll see you sometime later
When I'm through with my Accumulator

Orgone Accumulator by Hawkwind

[MASONIC PLOT]

Mary and Dragon

First of all I want you to know that none of this is personal. This board and forum serves a purpose for me, that is to learn, to grow and to evolve intellectually.

There are many methods I use to further those purposes, sometimes I will attack and become the inquisition to better my understanding of something and try to get out of a person what it is I need to understand them and their message. But in no way is it EVER personal. Please understand that.

I am certain if we met tomorrow we would kick back and talk shop and have grand old time. On here, all is fair in love in war. That's just how I do my thing.

At the end of it all, I do respect your efforts and your methods, I may not entirely understand them or agree with them, but I know youre doing something when a lot of people are doing nothing and that is good and it is healthy.

[yesferatu]

The alleged 'orgone' started as a brilliant researcher's (Wilhem Reich) attempt to find a scientific measurement for 'good vibes' which he hypothesized created an actual radiation that could travel great distances. But he failed and 'orgone' was a dead end and destroyed his career and discredited all his great work exposing the harsh authoritarianism of fascism. Reich's unproven ideas about 'orgone' made a perfect device for discrediting all is other work. The US government was glad to bury the man's reputation because he was writing about the same mass behavioral psychology the government was trying to secretly imbue into the US population using Total Warfare doctrines to get something like the hostile and obedient authoritarian personality syndrome that still supports W to this day.

The 'orgone' hoax has three discrediting functions-
1) Discredit the science of global warming, especially Senate Bill 517.
2) Discredit the science of psychological warfare by making it "magical vibes and frequencies."
3) Discredit everything it touches with the 'naw, can't be' guilt-by-association.

http://www.amazon.com/Mass-Psychology-Fascism-Wilhelm-Reich/dp/0374508844

I am halfway thru Reich's Mass Psycholgy of Fascism and read one of the more brilliant chapters just last night.
I must agree: the wide dissemination of the ideas expressed in that chapter (dealing with the sex drive) and the fascist (normal) way of approaching this would have been much more powerful to society, had it received a wider audience, than all the orgone busters one coould possibly make. Because reich is dealing with the very root of the fascistic (considered normal) neuroses and psychoses. He was dealing with employing Rational Thought to see thru the bullshit of why we are so fucked up.
hmmmmm....
Ya know what??
Maybe Reich saw the futility of trying to teach rational thought....maybe going off on his orgone tangent and demise, was just as fruitful as believing one could get people to start thinking rationally. So I was going to make a point I can no longer make: that Reich should have hammered away at the philosophy of his teachings regarding man's roots of psychosis and neurosis....but now I think, p'sha!!! y'right!!! WHEN has man shown the ability or inclination to embrace rational thought??? Maybe Reich saw thru the bullshit and futility of being a teacher to a race of neanderthals, and ended up doing what was, at least, more interesting research for him, and probably just as effective as believing his voice would matter in a very sick world. I think he believed in energies that will one day be scientific fact. Not sure his apparatus is up to snuff. He was, at least, in pursuit.
Wow. I just came to whole different conclusion then what I had ten minutes ago.
My conclusion: mud balls? Why the fuck not? More power to you.
However....PLEASE read the book that has been mentioned...to me, ideas are the most powerful thing in the world.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I must agree: the wide dissemination of the ideas expressed in that chapter (dealing with the sex drive) and the fascist (normal) way of approaching this would have been much more powerful to society,

The whole point about the sex drive is that is orgone. At least orgone flows when a healthy sex drive is exhibited.

Man I am jealous, its been 15 years since I read Mass psych. of... and that chapter is one I wish I had in front of me right now.

I think people are missing the subtlty and depth of his ideas.

Yesfer.

In Britain during the early 90s the tribalism and violence of football hooliganism almost ended overnight.

I think that the rave culture that was appearing at the time formed a massive cultural metaphorical "orgone shooter" (the device RAW was exposed to and that convinced him of the effectiveness of Reichian therapy).

Something that broke the blockages that had resulted in the tribalism and violence that preceded 91/92.

What do you think of that idea in relation to what you are reading about sex drive and control?

Good point about rationality tho.

[MASONIC PLOT]

I read all of Reich's stuff in college and it was quite mind blowing at the time. At some point I want to get those books out and relive that experience using some of what I have learned since to add to it all. He was truly a brilliant man in my opinion and has much to offer us today.