History of the Orgonite/Cloudbuster Movement

[Joe Hillshoist]

Re. the lessening of hooliganism and the rave phenomenon, I think it needs to be acknowledged, if orgone played any role in these things, it was secondary to the role that MDMA played. Modern night clubs would be a seething mass of brutality and sexual violence if it weren't for ecstasy, so far as I can see.

TPTB have managed to turn a brilliant and beautiful drug into yet another opiate for the masses. And make money off of it to boot.

Dirty stinkin PTB!

For sure it was MDMA that had a huge role. But the movement was something else too. It was a combination of the E, but also of the music and the light shows the general tech advance that led to being able to put raves on, and to dance to those those thunping doofs.

The idea I was getting at was, well lets piss orgone off out of the discussion for a wee moment.

I'll just say chi. Society had this huge blockage in the chi flow that was manifested in football hooliganism.

I think this is what Reich is talking about TMP of F. That power structures create those blockages through socialisation, and take advantage of them in situations like war or the current so called war on terra.

In that sense 911 could be seen as a massive chi block.

The spontaneous unblocking of a particular sort was what happened during the rave scene at its height. The E and the music and dance and the tribalism all contributed, and something awesome lived for a while.

I am not saying the orgone is the cause of this movement, or chi.

i am saying that what happened could be described as a spontaneous clearance of the flow of orgone or chi, in the western "social body".

And that the movement was the cause.

Remember that song

"Everybody's Freeeeeeeeeee

to feel good."

(NYE 1992 and I can still hear that song chugging along).

[marykmusic]

The first I heard of Dr. Tiller was just this afternoon, on Joan Ocean's site. She'll be doing a conference soon and he's one of the listed attendees.

But-- Big Red Flag-- he's from Stanford. That's CIA/NSA country. Ingo Swann and all. Also our former Chief Justice and the lady Justice, both of whom recently left the Court. Stanford Law.

But how cool that I already got through all the Algebra that I needed, for my BA, just before they decided that one must, after all, pay attention to those pesky Imaginary Numbers!

SuperLight? http://www.etfriends.com/Plasma.html --MaryK

[pitcairn]

oh maryk, that's interesting, but a different "superlight," lol

who knew there was more than one?

I was linking to and c&p'ing from, Dr Milewski, in Albuquerque

but thanks for the link!

[Joe Hillshoist]

Thats right Superlight

That might deserve its own thread pitcairn.

[erosoplier]

Take away the e, and you'd lose the best half of the music. And it wasn't a spontaneous clearance of the flow of orgone or chi - it was a drug induced one. That's not necessarily a bad thing - drugs can do wonders if used wisely.


Everybody's free...

Maybe my problem is I've never become one with a crowd, never been to a rave - maybe that's why I'm about to say this:

Everybody's free (ONLY!!) to feel good. That is why the powers that be peddle mdma for recreational/leisure use. I'm sure it would have been nice to participate in the early rave scene. I'm sure I'd love to take a pill and meet some friendly brothers and sisters out on the town today. But it's ephemeral, it's only an illusion of freedom and oneness. It's a fucking TRICK is what I'm saying. Sophisticated fascist drug-assisted mind control. Be free, but stay small. You can feel like you own the world tonight, but when you wake up in the morning, don't you fucking dare act as if you have any right to an opinion about how things are run around here. You'll soon learn that you don't have any such rights. Or you can bust your life apart refusing to learn this lesson. You choose - fake love and oneness, once a week, or a world of pain, every minute of every day.

It's about repressive desublimation, and it's not spontaneous at all.

[yesferatu]

The whole point about the sex drive is that is orgone. At least orgone flows when a healthy sex drive is exhibited.

In Britain during the early 90s the tribalism and violence of football hooliganism almost ended overnight.

I think that the rave culture that was appearing at the time formed a massive cultural metaphorical "orgone shooter" (the device RAW was exposed to and that convinced him of the effectiveness of Reichian therapy).

Something that broke the blockages that had resulted in the tribalism and violence that preceded 91/92.

What do you think of that idea in relation to what you are reading about sex drive and control?

Good point about rationality tho.

I think power (literal power, energy) is in numbers. Not in a device left under a cell tower. I truly believe in power thru things like raves. I saw a documentary called "better living thru circuitry" which took a look at the electronic dance culture and techno-pop and 'rave' idiom. Hell, you could feel the energy in the doc. Just amazing to see what happens when people get together to produce a vibration.
Raves are to concerts, what a Bugati is to a golf cart. Concerts are merely...."nice".
I don't want to get weird on ya, but jesus said 'where two or more are gathered in my name..." (no fundie interpretations allowed! The more exotic interpretation you put to that, the closer to the truth you will be.)
Tribalism is kind of like the anti-interpretation, as is churchianity (one and the same).
I have no doubt of the case made for orgone energy breaking the spell of tribalism and hooliganism...but it was done thru numbers of people in one mind, setting up a vibration....not arcane technology. I have no problem with ritualised "technology" i.e. orgone devices, as long as it is understood as ritual, with practical objectives.

[MASONIC PLOT]

Yes but can that be accomplished without the synthetic drug use?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Take away the e, and you'd lose the best half of the music. And it wasn't a spontaneous clearance of the flow of orgone or chi - it was a drug induced one. That's not necessarily a bad thing - drugs can do wonders if used wisely.

Let me rephrase that.

Compared to what I saw in saw 1987 and the way the world was going, it was a spontaneous thing that e was a vital part of, and no it wouldn't have happened without it.

But there is more to that story than just the parties.

The traveller movement started didn't it, as much a threat to tptb as anything.

People in that movement worked toward all sorts of goodthings.

Maybe I have a romantic view of it, but there is definitely more to it than this:

It's a fucking TRICK is what I'm saying. Sophisticated fascist drug-assisted mind control. Be free, but stay small. You can feel like you own the world tonight, but when you wake up in the morning, don't you fucking dare act as if you have any right to an opinion about how things are run around here.

No one woke up feeling that way. there were some real good organisational things happening in aus at the time.

I think it was something tptb lost control of, if they ever had it.

People I know and made friends with at that time are still doing good stuff, stuff that challanges tptb and improves the quality of their communities.

We didn't save the world, but thats not the point. The world can look after itself.

What happened to the rave movement post 94 was more about how tptb manipulate it. but that took them 5 years.

Shit there were woldwide networks of people trying to build alternative economies and communities and some may still be out there chugging along really well.

[MASONIC PLOT]

From what I see all those ravers are now on anti depressant medications to deal with the fact that the xtc depleted their brains of all its serotonin and dopamine chemicals. Now in that context isnt it possible that perhaps the PTB made it all happen to turn a possible renegade generation into a bunch of brain dead zombies with xtc holes in their heads? Isnt medicating everyone their goal, seems they love to hand out the valium, prozac etc etc and get everyone dumbed down on these medications and studies I have read seem to indicate a high percentage of former XTC users are now having major problems with anxiety and depression. Hmm.


Just trying to look at this from another angle is all. I have a hard time considering that things like this happen without a reason and a grand purpose.

In fact there is ample evidence that most of the XTC that was around at that time was manufactured in Israeli labs. Labs with connections to the mossad to boot. Not trying to take this into a "blame the jews" direction, but this is something that a lot of researches have spoken about.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I think power (literal power, energy) is in numbers. Not in a device left under a cell tower. I truly believe in power thru things like raves. I saw a documentary called "better living thru circuitry" which took a look at the electronic dance culture and techno-pop and 'rave' idiom. Hell, you could feel the energy in the doc. Just amazing to see what happens when people get together to produce a vibration.
Raves are to concerts, what a Bugati is to a golf cart. Concerts are merely...."nice".
I don't want to get weird on ya, but jesus said 'where two or more are gathered in my name..." (no fundie interpretations allowed! The more exotic interpretation you put to that, the closer to the truth you will be.)
Tribalism is kind of like the anti-interpretation, as is churchianity (one and the same).
I have no doubt of the case made for orgone energy breaking the spell of tribalism and hooliganism...but it was done thru numbers of people in one mind, setting up a vibration....not arcane technology. I have no problem with ritualised "technology" i.e. orgone devices, as long as it is understood as ritual, with practical objectives.

You hit something there yesfer, a nail right on the head.

Where 2 or more are gathered in my name...

At the good ones that was the vibe. no religion or nothing, but you could feel that vibe thumping along through the borders that seperate worlds and people. This is it and what we are hear for (sp deliberate btw)

Sometimes those raves felt like the scared space that I talk about re dreamtime and rituals reenacting creation and the like.

Faithless - God is a DJ

This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts
It's a natural grace
Of watching young life shape
It's in minor keys
Solutions and remedies
Enemies becoming friends
When bitterness ends
This is my church (x3)
This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts
It's in the world I become
Contained in the hum
Between voice and drum
It's in the change
The poetic justice of cause and effect
Respect, love, compassion
This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts
For tonight
God is a DJ
God is a DJ
This is my church (x3)

Yes he is

This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts
This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts
This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts

It's a natural grace
Of watching young life shape
It's in minor keys
Solutions and remedies
Enemies becoming friends
When bitterness ends

This is my church (2x)
This is where I heal my hurts
For tonight
"GOD IS A DJ."

This is my church
This is where I heal my hurts

[Joe Hillshoist]

Of course its nothing without the music.

[erosoplier]

Yesfer, I too have gotten a buzz just from watching a documentary about raves - well before I ever tried mdma myself. But nothing comes of these raves, thus far. Unless you count Ibiza, and then really I'd have to say that nothing comes of these raves except decadence - a pleasing result for TPTB.

Yes but can that be accomplished without the synthetic drug use?

Would it be so bad if it couldn't be accomplished without the synthetic drug use?

We've got no choice but to put foreign objects into our individual systems in this life. Our perception that we have "individual systems" is perhaps the biggest illusion we suffer under. If you can accept that drug use cannot realistically be abolished, the goal then becomes finding the wisest use for drugs. There are people who think that, in terms of mind-expansion, drugs are God's precious gift to humans, but even they know that drugs are not for routine/every-day use. They are to be used as spices are used in cooking. Whilever the adults hide their head in the sand and refuse to take responsibility and counsel the young in the use of drugs...well they aren't acting as adults are they? They are behaving like petulant children. TPTB like this aspect of the status-quo also.

Hope you've got good sound on your computer!

[Et in Arcadia ego]

From what I see all those ravers are now on anti depressant medications to deal with the fact that the xtc depleted their brains of all its serotonin and dopamine chemicals. Now in that context isnt it possible that perhaps the PTB made it all happen to turn a possible renegade generation into a bunch of brain dead zombies with xtc holes in their heads? Isnt medicating everyone their goal, seems they love to hand out the valium, prozac etc etc and get everyone dumbed down on these medications and studies I have read seem to indicate a high percentage of former XTC users are now having major problems with anxiety and depression. Hmm.

This is because for at least the last 16 years the (revived from even older days) Raver Scene was flooded with atrocious cocktails comprised mainly of strycnine, ketamine, and very dirty heroine cut even further with God knows what.

These 'rolls' were famous among unscrupulous dealers as 'Dirty Dogs'.

This was sold as 'X' at the raves, and trust me, I know damn well what I'm talking about. Kids all over the shows misinterpreting Raves as Drug-induced Free for Alls involuntarily regurgitated fluids all over the place not realizing their bodies were going through extreme heroine responses. They mistakenly recognized the vomiting as the onsets of the X 'high'..

There was also a period where ignorance was exploited by a substance called 'Liquid X', which was actually GHB amino acids (some of you may know it as the Date Rape Drug), with a hairpin range between euphoria and coma being about 1/8 a teaspoon. I personally saw this stuff sold in one ounce bottles at raves where happless youths would upend the entire contents and lapse into unattended comas in darkened corners (and some, death) within 15 minutes or less.

True MDNA in it's original form has been unavailable to the masses for decades and will likely never see itself among them again. In it's place are very creative replicants comprised mostly of outright toxins with permanently debilitating effects today's kids pop one after another and call it Good.

An enormous tragedy..And it bears pointing out your average hit of X sells for significantly more than Valium and it's counterparts.

ps: this comes from someone knee-deep in the early 90's Raver scene in Miami.

[pitcairn]

Thats right Superlight

That might deserve its own thread pitcairn.


done and done

the "middle ground" thread is at your service, and now open


come one, come all ... you will seeing amazing feats of cosmic prestidigitation, ordinary common elements of the periodic table turned into crystal whiskers, and actual photos of lab equipment and a living scientist!!!!



sorry. got carried away.

[Joe Hillshoist]

There was also a period where ignorance was exploited by a substance called 'Liquid X', which was actually GHB amino acids (some of you may know it as the Date Rape Drug), with a hairpin range between euphoria and coma being about 1/8 a teaspoon. I personally saw this stuff sold in one ounce bottles at raves where happless youths would upend the entire contents and lapse into unattended comas in darkened corners (and some, death) within 15 minutes or less.

While MP might have a point about seratonin depletion with excessive use I think you are more on track Arcadia.

Especially about fucking GHB. That liquid E bullshit still gets credibility round here.

I had my first e in about 88, and by about 91 or 2 I was sooo over it, just not the same - it was nothing like it was, and the comedowns were nasty. And the ones that made you vomit.... There may be a conspiracy in there cos a lot of great people got lost to heroin. By then I would have rather taken my chances with some tab of cardboard drenched in strychnine, and did.

And Ero check out Britains Criminal justice and public Order Act 1994

It was introduced directly in response to the threat the British ptb saw from the rave movement and the associated movements that were joining together at the time.

At the time there was a greater outcry than some of Patriot Act clones have inspired post 911.

Our perception that we have "individual systems" is perhaps the biggest illusion we suffer under.

Thats quite brullyant btw.

The middle ground has some interesting views.