History of the Orgonite/Cloudbuster Movement

[dbeach]

quit sending the rain to New England

NO SNOW this winter

NONE

And rain so much rain

rain did I say rain

they were surfin on 12/26/06 at the local yokle beach severall were there full wet suits..water temp 47 degrees

something is up WHAT ?
DUNNO but NO SNOW aint NORMAL

This is getting to be Portalnd Oregon around here

the chemtrails are constant
2006 was one long wet yr and surf was poor

[pitcairn]

okay hugh

let's see ... I could be wrong (and if I am I'm sure I'll soon be corrected, lol) but I think that the machines and/or devices are not claimed to produce orgone, but rather to "accumulate" and perhaps manipulate (reorder. redirect) it, the notion being that vital force (orgone) is already everywhere, or as AnnaLivia might say, "you're soaking in it"

a parallel might be found in ether physics, notably in some Tesla and Tesla derived devices

or ... a more direct parallel might be electro acupuncture, which can, by redirecting qi and/or eliminating blockages, actually "raise" the level of qi in the body (regular acupuncture does that, as well, but there's no machine involved)

and I don't think we are morphing these things"in our own minds" Joe and I; nor do I think we are filtering meanings

it's pretty clear what reich thought orgone to be, the character and characteristics he ascribed to it: it's another word for an understanding of qi, vital force, prana, and the like

it's okay if you don't believe in qi, or vital force, or ether; but it's also okay that millions, actually biilions, of people do

hugh, the thing is ... you don't know everything

you may not even know what you think you know

let me try an illustration: semmelweiss

let's say that ignaz semmelweiss lived in a world with internet fora, but one in which drs were still not washing their hands and continued to agressively reject any notion or possibility of physician transfer of infection, just as they did in semmelweiss' day

so ignaz gets on some internet board, say rigint, and starts talking about these microbes invisible to the naked eye and how drs are unknowingly transferring them from infected patients to uninfected patients, and how simple handwashing and changing clothes is cutting his infection rates down to near zero

and the outcry from the rationalists, the scientists, the medical men, is deafening, and they hound and humiliate and accuse old ignaz of ulterior motives and unethical inflitration of the medical system with dangerous unproven theories that are - oh no! - actually being used on patients!!!

see what I mean?

hugh, as sincere as you may be, your experience is not the measure of all experience in the world; your knowledge not the measure of all knowledge; your reasoning skills not the measure of all reasoning

you see or suspect tentacles of control in many places where others do not see them: ironically, you make more effort to control conversations on this board than anyone else I've observed in the time I've been reading here

and I'm sure you don't mean to be but you are discourteous and disrespectful much of the time, not to mention relentlessly pedantic

btw as you may or may not know, my hypothesised reaction on the part of physicians and "science men" when confronted with semmelweiss' ideas was the actual reaction of those people at the time: many believe that semmelweiss' eventual nervous breakdown could be traced to this terrible treatment by his colleagues

50 years later, who didn't wash his hands between patients? nobody

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Just look at this page and see that 'orgone-ism' is NOT metaphorical. It is LITERAL.

Quackery devices abound to be sold.

http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_orgone_generator.html







"DISCLAIMER & MISSION STATEMENT FOR DON CROFT AND CAROL DERRY

This is not the same as Dr. Reich’s original cloudbuster. The only resemblance is the use of pipes. The former could cause changes in the atmosphere by drawing the unbalanced orgone out of the targeted area and putting it into flowing water.

This one apparently draws in the unbalanced orgone, revitalizes it as balanced orgone, and sends it right back out into the atmosphere. Don’t expect the same results as Dr. Reich and others have gotten, but do expect the elimination of chemtrails, the elimination or reduction in smog and general malaise over a very wide area.
It’s not necessary to point this model to remove the chemtrails. It will do that for up to a fifty mile radius if it’s just left standing in the garden or on the deck."

[pitcairn]

mary the sally water sounds interesting, but since the wheel was a gift, shouldn't the water be also?

I wasn't clear on if it was ever sold, only that at one point that was considered a good idea, altho if I got that wrong, I stand corrected

do you know if willard water would be considered similar?

and hugh, I stick to the tradition that true earth medicine should never be bought and sold, and introducing money energy into the exchange will cause serious problems; so hawking machines related to earth medicine would be useless at best and dangerous at worst

but everyone has his or her ideas

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

and hugh, I stick to the tradition that true earth medicine should never be bought and sold, and introducing money energy into the exchange will cause serious problems; so hawking machines related to earth medicine would be useless at best and dangerous at worst

I think you are finally actually addressing 'orgone-ism' AS it is being marketed and not as you ruminate about other things related to humanistic life force.
Selling relics isn't the same as preaching the teachings of Jesus, right?

whew. THIS is what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about all those other things you and JoeHillshoist referred to and said I was dismissing in "colonial condescension." I wasn't even talking about all that life force stuff and I don't claim to know it all.
As much as I study morale and psychological warfare I VALIDATE the importance of karma and chi and life force etc.

But PLEASE. Be willing to look right at what people say squarely and not what it REPRESENTS to you. Look at 'orgone' as it is peddled, not chi.

This seems to me to be a classic case of fuzzy logic, meaning 'close enough' to trigger whatever you want to see instead of the thing itself. And THAT is exactly what I see as dangerous and is exactly what the Bush administration takes advantage of. "Now we hate Afghanistan...so we'll invade Iraq. Close enough. Kick some ass."

Ugh. For such a bright and humane person, pitcairn, you sure are frustrating.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Hugh thats Don crofts site, as i have said before on another thread, I have been following his particular net cult since it started, coincidently in the immediate aftermath of 911

I dunno if you noted some issues I had with his version of what those devices claim to do.

Because some of it doesn't fit with my understanding of how orgone sholuld flow.

Perhaps some the confusion we are experiencing has to do with the terms orgonite and orgone.

Orgone is Reich's term for chi or qi, the same word, its just some people translate from whatever chinese language it originates as a q some as a ch.

Orgonite is the substance in the triangular funnel mould that looks a bit like vomit after a bad night on the turps and bad kebabs.

Its is the "product" well one of them if you like.


I try not to comment on orgonite as I end saying it looks like vomit.

Perhaps you could argue that the claim that orgonite does what some people say it does and the use of orgon in the term is a deliberate attempt to draw attention to it and in that sense you may be well be right, but as I said, back in 2001 Don Croft made available the full plans and complete instructions on how to produce organite and those Gigerian sculptures that they claim are the magical machines.

From the outset if you wanted you could take his idea and build your own devices with it. You could make the stuff if you wanted. What followed was just another typical interest group turns into cult and the usual human tensions take over story, and I am interested in hearing Mary's take on all this.

I have my own views on their beliefs that they would find patronising and offensive, and are as neo colonialist in their own ways as anything I have accused others of.

But I still maintain my belief that there is something going on with this "cult" or movement that is very interesting and a spontaneous eruption of a certain "spiritual or mystical or religious" principle that is a personal thing with me, I was at uni before my father then my wife got ill, and that took my attention of so I deferred for a while and am thinking about going back this year.

I wrote papers on this stuff and usually got high marks, HDs HHDs and the like.

Anyway thats why I have had an interest in them, well I was originally attracted to their stuff through the association with orgone.

And I am sure that is part of what you are getting at.

but it didn't take me long to question some of Dons ideas. Although the processes they were going through and some of their potentials as processes interested me and still do.

I think that when it comes to claims like curing cancer with orgonite ... well look people have to be responsible for their own decisions and their own "karma" if you like, that is the consequences of their decisions.

Although i think people that prey off the fears and hopes of people facing cancer, especially terminal cancer, are among the lowest of the low.

That sort of vampirism is almost as bad as the power abusers steal from their victims. Its a less violent manifestation of the same trend.

Sometimes this process may happen through a genuine belief on the part of the snake oil salesperson. in which case it isn't necessarily as bad, but if they say "we are the only possible cure" and "don't try others" then its probably as bad.


I have seen some remarkable things occur through the manipulation of chi or orgone, specifically and directly with no possible other explanation to my mind. So I would be unwilling to say that using it as a medical technique to cure any disease is complete bullshit.

Traditional chinese medicine uses chi as its fundamental grounding, and although some of it is a bit odd, some is remarkable.

But charged water curing cancer, well it may be true but its still a hard claim to accept.

[Attack Ships on Fire]

Thanks for the interesting messages since my last post 24 hours ago asking if I had a grip on a primer as to what orgone is supposed to be. A lot of different perspectives on the mystery of life and personal beliefs are being shared here, and I appreciate everyone's contribution to the thread.

My take on orgone as it relates to this thread (Dragon and MaryK's postings specifically) is that *if* orgone devices can create physical changes in the world then they should be measurable changes. I'm leaning more with Hugh's perspective on this one; in short, where's the proof? There is a risk of charlatains trying to pull the wool over our eyes (and/or their own eyes) and getting us to accept blindly that a physical effect is happening through human interaction with an unmeasurable force. As Sagan said, and I agree with him, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If someone claims that good orgone balls can "take out" bad orgone spots or places/facilities where harmful deeds are being carried out against good unsuspecting people is, there should be a means of proving that there is a correlation between the two events. Otherwise, if there is no proof that anything happened, all we are left with are claims and personal belief.

Say that I have the Magic Right Index Finger of Healing and that by simply pointing it at you I can rid you of whatever affliction you suffer from, that claim should be questioned and tested to see if it is accurate -- otherwise will you just accept at face value that my finger can save you or a loved one from a life threatening disease? I realize that some extraordinary claims may require a leap of faith in the researcher, or at least they should be willing to have an open mind and see what the evidence presents but I also firmly believe that extraordinary things that supposedly interact with our physical world should be able to be proven using the scientific method. Even if such radical theories as life is an illusion and reality can be changed by the power of one's mind are 100% true, we exist in a world where water is wet, where a ball thrown into the air falls back to the ground, etc. If these orgone devices work 100% of the time, which is the gist I'm reading from Dragon and Mary's posts, then they should be demonstratable to others that can read the data and then come to their own conclusion using scientific method. If orgone creators say that their devices cannot be proven, then the reverse holds true as well and a connection between a so-called "holy hand grenade" affecting the power distribution network of a base cannot be correlated.

I realize that we live in a world that isn't all black and white. For example, the placebo effect is a commonly accepted mystery of medical science. I am fully open to the possibility that we live in a mysterious universe where some, none or all of the subject matter discussed on RigInt may be as real as the keyboard beneath your fingers. Nevertheless, *all of us* also need to live in a world where we can rely on certain guarantees, like water being wet, fire is hot and so on, or else it wouldn't be possible to make assumptions about things we're yet to experience (i.e. "if I jump into that open fire I will get burned so I shouldn't do that.") Based on the things I've read in this thread, not just from pro-orgone supporters like Dragon and MaryK but also the material put forward about Wilhelm Reich, if it truly exists this orgone energy should be demonstratable.

Now, that would also mean that I should put my money where my mouth is and try an orgone experiment myself to see what happens.

[pitcairn]

okay Hugh

I'm going to try a bit more disaggregation

again

now it seems we agree that there is orgone (as reich described it, leaving out any current derivative practices), and qi and vital force

karma is really something quite other, so let's leave that out for the moment

the machines, or more accurately devices, pictured in your posts are disturbing to you becos, in your opinion, as I understand you:

1 they are quackery (they don't do, can't do, in your estimation, what is claimed for them)

2 the makers of the devices also make theoretical propositions you find absurd and offensive to a rational mind

3 the makers of these devices seemingly have developed their products using a theory based on a fusion of principles of both scientific and quasi scientific disciplines and sacred philosophies, a theory and fusion that you are convinced amount to a false construct

4 the makers and promoters and users of these devices suggest applications for their product that you disapprove of, decry, and decry even the discussion of on message boards in which you participate

okay well here are some direct remedies, right off the top of my head:

1r don't buy or use any of these devices

2r tell anyone you want to warn not to buy or use any

3r continue to assume they are useless crap and so realise that it doesn't matter where they are placed, deployed and/or used

4r consult with the host(s) of message boards in which you participate and ask/suggest that(those) person(s) consider banning all talk of these devices, make your case for the banning to the best of your considerable abilities, then wait for the decision; if the decision is to ban, then one for you; if not to ban, either continue to participate or not, according to your preference

5r recognise that not everyone in the world, not even all the very bright and humane people, will share your opinions and concerns; relax about that, after all you don't share all of theirs either, and they probably are okay with that

6r for your own peace of mind, should the host decision referenced in no. 4r be not to ban, and you want to remain engaged in the topic, continue to state your views and make your advice, but do so respectfully and with a calm acceptance that you will not necessarily convince everyone that you are both correct and superior in your assessment and understanding in all aspects of the subject

that seems fair to me, how about you?

what else can we solve?

aggregation of the disaggregate when applying analysis can lead to fuzzy logic, also, btw

(edited for typo)

[Joe Hillshoist]

Reich has a history of lab experiments measuring something he claimed was orgone.

They don't seem to be on the first couple of pages of google so they might be hard to find. there was a book, (probably heaps) published by Loompanics about them that I saw nearly 20 years ago.

Robert Anton Wilson wrote that a researcher had replicated many of Reich's experiments but I don't remember his name.

I had some bookmarks on an ols computer (ie bookmarks, netscape navigator, wow that was a while ago)...

I will try and chase up those stes again if you like.

people's personal beliefs are one thing, but claims like the ones the orgonite crowd make have to assessed somehow.

Mary takes the blue az skies as evidence and that may be fair enough, given this thing came about in response to their dislike of chemtrails, especially for her.

And personally I think the purification exercises they or rituals they do should work, just cos in my experience those rituals do if done right.

But then again these things are all over the world now apparantly and have been in ever increasing numbers since 2001.

What has happened to the state of the world since then.

Sure things may have been worse. maybe they kept Planet X away back in '03.

but seriously, the state of the world in general and the US in particular is appalling.

Thats something that certainly brings their claims into question.

Then again mybe the bad guys magic is stronger.

Personally the only way to test it to my satisfaction would be to go to the places where they are deployed and "feel the vibe" so to speak.

I also think I can "talk to the land" so i'd ask IT.

other people might not be satisfied with this tho.

[pitcairn]

when I posted the reductio ad absurdum response to hugh, above, I had missed out on joe's and attack ships posts

after I read them I had a bit of a pang

I was a little rough on hugh there, trying to mirror back a limited framing/derailing technique whilst also giving in to being a smartass

so mea culpa on that

I guess what I was trying to get to is what is the question ?

is the question "who's right?" or perhaps "who wins?"

or is it "what can we find out that we didn't know before?"

joe, your point is well taken that the condition of the world with more of these devices around than ever before seems a poor advertisement for efficacy, altho we are still here, lol

attack ships, I would agree that claims should be investigated, and effects demonstrated, and certainly any extravagant promises should rest on something other than (possibly deluded) hope and sincere (but possibly misguided) belief

but apparently the people involved with this just put the instructions out there for anyone to play around with and test, so that seems more than fair; you really don't have to take anyone's word for it

anyway ... I doodled around looking for someone else's ideas about it all, someone coming at it from a hard science perspective but not a professional skeptic/debunker

a quick look around brought me to this guy, who is clearly not coming from either the croft or dragon perspective, in fact he's probably pretty anti-woowoo:

http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm

Dr. John V. Milewski is an Internationally recognized leader and consultant in his field of Advanced Materials. He is a professional engineer, scientist, inventor, entrepreneur, writer, publisher, editor and lecturer. He is a retired staff member of Los Alamos National Labs and has worked previously as a scientific staff member at Exxon Research Center and at Thiokol Chemical Rocket Engine Div. He recently founded his own research company called Superkinetic, Inc. where he is currently working on a revolutionary new electric light bulb based on using a single crystal fiber as a filament.

He is a graduate of the University of Notre Dame in Chemical Engineering (1951, Stevens Institute of Technology with an MS in Metallurgy (1959), and has his Ph.D. in Ceramic Engineering from Rutgers University (1973). Dr. Milewski holds 30 patents and has over 42 publications and has edited 4 books in his field.

[Avalon]

Check out the first frame of today's Doonesbury cartoon. It's eerily reminiscent of the cover of the Kate Bush "Cloudbusting" shown on page three of this thread.

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2007/db070107.gif

I hadn't known that Patti Smith's extraordinary song "Birdland" came from her reading of the Peter Reich memoir.

Still, she credits Cale for creating the conditions that led to 'Birdland' - 'my greatest experience, as performer, on Horses' - if only by getting her so wound up she needed catharsis. The song was inspired by The Book of Dreams, the childhood memoir of Peter Reich, son of radical psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich. 'There's a section in it where Peter describes a birthday party not long after his father died. He wandered outside and became convinced his father was coming down to get him and take him off in a spaceship.' But what he thought was a squadron of UFOs revealed itself to be a flock of blackbirds. 'This story haunted me, and when we recorded "Birdland", which was totally improvised, that's where the track went to.' Starting with the young Reich hallucinating his father at the controls of the flying saucer, there's a motif running through the song: 'You are not human' turns to 'I am not human' and then 'we are not human'. Smith says 'that's really talking about myself. From very early on in my childhood - four, five years old - I felt alien to the human race. I felt very comfortable with thinking I was from another planet, because I felt disconnected - I was very tall and skinny, and I didn't look like anybody else, I didn't even look like any member of my family.'

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/stor ... 33,00.html

[Jewels1]

As one who is still relatively new to this site, and not a frequent poster, you may reject what I have to say out of hand, or take it as it is meant: My own personal experiences.

A little over a year ago, I began recollecting my own horrible memories of being an M-kid.
I, and my sister-my "twin" in the abuse-always knew there was something decidedly EVIL that happened to us as young girls, besides just your "garden variety" pedophilia. She and I both had the memories return at exactly the same time. She lives in Florida. I live in Michigan. My guess is, we were triggered.

My website listed at the bottom of my post tells of my experiences, so I won't espound on them.

I went through many stages in my beliefs. From Agnosticism to outright Athiesm to studying Eastern Religions. I have returned to my original Faith. After MUCH STUDY OF THE SUBJECT. I have an analytical and very skeptical mind. Therefore, I also had to extensively study the CIA et al experiments on MC, and so forth. I do not take things at face value. I am a nurse, and I am a scientist. BUT, I realize I am also a Tripartate being. And Spiritual issues are hard to quantify. And I believe, after PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with Dragon's crystals, Agnihotra Energy and so forth, that they have value. Call it the plecebo effect, I don't mind. But it WORKED!

He sent me a package of the "mudballs" as I know that I am being electronically harassed. (Also two crystals and a shell necklace with agnihotra energy and a crystal inside.)
The effects of all the EMG waves in our environment are very real! I know all about COINTELPRO, and have written about my experiences with this and many other psyops on other threads. Including Remote Viewing, which is being utilized by the Government. I have numerous links to everything I mention, on my web page.

Now, let me stress something: If someone had spoken to me about ANY OF THIS even 2 years ago, I would have scoffed and dismissed them as nuts! Until I had a total paradigm shift in my own perception of "reality!"
I no longer feel that way. In fact, I learn every day how much I really do not know at all!

In the Christian Bible, Paul speaks of "Principalities and Powers; the Evil Rulers of this Dark Age." I think it is as true now as it was then! The forces we are fighting are EVIL, and they are Spiritual. So it would take Spiritual energy to fight them, would it not? This is why I finally agreed to let a friend of mine I met online perform Intuitive Healing on me. And he was SPOT ON!! I was very, very skeptical of it, and procrastinated for months before I would try this. I was amazed, to say the least. He lives in a town called Battle Lake. I live in a town called Battle Creek. Interesting, no?
So, in light of this, and MaryK's MK_ULTRA experiences, I was willing to try Dragon's "product."

I have worn the necklace he fashioned for me around my neck almost constantly and have had less choking incidences-which occurred almost weekly or more-then I did. This is also an area where Jaye (my Intuitive Healer) stressed to me that I had vampiric entities literally choking me! I can sing again, which I was barely able to do for years (I am a professional vocalist, also) and I have had less pain in my neck and shoulders. I also put the crystals he (Dragon) gave me in the headboard of our bed, as the electronic harassment seems to step up when we go to bed. There has been less of it. And it was bad, let me telll you.
I have not had time to place the "mudballs" around cell towers, etc, due to the Holidays and visiting family; but I will.

You see, I have been getting progressively more and more ill due to the harassment and the unidentified illnesses I have over the last few years. They call them Fbromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue...Sjogren's Syndrome, etc., etc. But they don't know WHERE they came from or how to TREAT them! I made a statement that I would try BAT GUANO at one point if it helped me regain my former health, I tried cow guano instead! Again, maybe it is the placebo effect. Maybe it is the energy of compassion that the items are imbued with by the sender. I do not know. But I DO believe that good overcomes evil...no matter how it is done.
So, if you don't believe what Mary and Dragon are saying, so what? Does that make them Liars? Or do they just believe differently then you? That is their, and my, right! I believe that any person who chooses compassion and love over hatred and bigotry is going to send out powerful, positive energy. Love cannot be quantified. Brain wave studies? Maybe, but not really. There are many things in this world that cannot be measured. I had to learn to accept this, also...being the natural skeptic and analytical soul that I am! It has been very rewarding to let go of the "proof" I always required and have FAITH! And TRUST. This alone may be helping me to heal.

Don't scoff at and mock what you cannot understand. It only brings you down. Have an open mind, and realize that the more we think we know-the less we really do. If my almost half-a-century on this Earth has taught me nothing else, it is this.

I think what Dragon and Mary et al are doing is awesome! They are at least tryiing to make a difference. What have you done lately? And I mean you in the third person singular.

Thanks Dragon, for caring. And thank you Mary, for being open about your experiences with the Evil Forces behind Mind Control and the entire evil force that is trying to overcome this planet! I call it Satan and his minions-or demons. And they cannot be measured, either. But their evil influence is there for all to see!!! Can we deny this?

BTW, have you ever heard that Sedona is Anodes spelled backward? There is much energy in that part of the World that is mind-boggling. And in many other parts of this planet.

We just, at the risk of being redundant, don't know everything.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Now, that would also mean that I should put my money where my mouth is and try an orgone experiment myself to see what happens.

Watch out for black helicopters.

[marykmusic]

Right before we met Sally, we met Lorae (not her real name.) She and Dragon had been corresponding by email, introduced by my brother who knew her from Ashland, Oregon in the late ‘90’s. Lorae placed one of Dragon’s HHG’s on top of Pike’s Peak in 2002. She came to our little trailer home in the old section of Casa Grande early in 2003, and pitched her tent under a huge eucalyptus out back.

It was a perfect fit of personalities. She came and went, also spending time at a hot springs at Safford, and when she visited we’d invariably have some new device to check out. She liked the early Power Wands, and especially the simplification of it into a Water Wand. So by Memorial Day Weekend, Lorae and the boys and I attended a UFO conference all weekend at Rachel, Nevada.

That’s the nearest town to Area 51, and so small it doesn’t even have its own school. A bus travels the 50 miles on the Extraterrestrial Highway to the nearest town large enough to have a school. The Little Ale-E-Inn is a bar and restaurant that does pretty good business catering to tourists.

Lorae was already camped out when we arrived, and had arranged with a resident to place a cloudbuster Dragon had made. I had also brought enough TB’s to be able to pass them out in the audience when my turn came to speak. I wasn’t a regularly scheduled participant, but was expected and given “open-mic” time on Saturday evening in the bar/café. For about a half-hour I spoke of what we had been doing; this included pointing a cloudbuster at suspicious lights in the sky, and subsequently observing them make crazy moves. That’s very similar to what Dr. Reich had done and observed when he was experimenting with his cloudbuster in Tucson in about 1953.

Something else I had also brought was a battery powered water wand (there was Sally Water in it along with Orgonite and various crystals.) Lorae had hiked a distant mesa that looked down on Groom Lake and placed some Tower Busters there. On Saturday afternoon Lorae and I went out, turned down the road that led to Area 51, and pulled down an old ranch road as near as we felt we could get. Some folks may be aware of the signs posted with motion sensor cameras, stating that lethal force was authorized for trespassers. We didn’t pass that particular line but stayed on public BLM land, where we could see ranchers’ cattle.

After digging a hole, I placed the device in the hole. Lorae did the forward observer bit, and there were lenticular clouds all around us. “They” were talking to her, she said, and we both followed the instructions as she relayed them. Destruction within the underground hangars at Area 51 was described; but much of the activity there had already been transferred to other sites following the Bob Lazar revelations.

Bear in mind that many people consider lenticulars to be an unnatural cloud that is not a cloud at all; rather it is a cloaking system. I subscribe to that belief myself, as did Lorae. And at the end of May, in the high 5000’ desert of Nevada, there should be no clouds at all. They hung around all weekend.

It’s done, she was told, now get out of there! We loaded back into my car and headed out. Sure enough, from the direction of Area 51, several white SUV’s were heading our direction. They were not very close, though, and didn’t follow us onto the pavement when we got back to the highway.

We returned to go look at the sunset later that day, though, and something we saw probably has bigger implications. A Wal-Mart truck, big tractor-trailer rig just like you see on every highway in America, turned down the extremely well-maintained dirt road toward Area 51. We asked at the Little Ale-E-Inn about that. “Yeah, at least three trucks per week go there. The drivers often stop here for coffee, but they won’t answer any questions.”

On the second day of the conference George Knapp showed up from Las Vegas, three hours away. He broke the Lazar story for the TV station he works at several years earlier, but that was old news to the UFO people there. He did mention that it seemed that Lazar had gone a bit “off” later and that he really wasn’t in contact with him any more. Then he told the story of the Skinwalker Ranch in northern Utah. That’s some pretty bizarre and fascinating stuff.

It was a blast, being in a group of people with alternative views of all kinds of things, and being able to show them what it was that we did.

Soon after that trip, the water wand was experimented with further, three were put together and bound by a Mobius coil. That was named, in honor of a Matrix character, the Triniti Wand.

A new chapter was about to begin. Lorae and Flash were best man and matron of honor at our June wedding, then Lorae proceeded to drive 20,000 miles and put Triniti Wands all over the West. --MaryK

[marykmusic]

I found something posted that same year, 2003, while looking for something else.

This is something from the cloud-busters forum (now defunct.) --MaryK



Dragon Al's Widowmaker PowerWand


Post# 48597 11/06/03 Captain_Dragon_Farstar (Al)

"It wasn't God who made men equal. It was Samuel Colt.


That was then. This is now. We need another Equalizer. The Dark Side has lots of money, lots of power, and lots of people to use in their battle against the Forces of Light. Here's where we even the odds a bit.


Those who have followed the Captain's Log entries know that for a while now I have been blasting the moon, Mars, and some biological targets and reporting major success. The device I am using is not your standard off-the-shelf PowerWand. It is made using a resonant cavity. Remember that phrase, introduced to us by Yardworm back earlier in the year? Remember the water pipe of half
orgone and half emptiness that brought a rainbow to the water where he tossed it? Well, that caught my attention and I have been experimenting with that idea since then.


The end product of that process is a device of such awesome power that I hesitated to make it publically available. Most of us on the forum are of sound mind and pure intent. But who knows who else reads these posts, including and especially those of the Dark Side persuasion. I made four of them, sent out two by courier and one by mail to those of the forum that I knew best, and knew
would use them wisely and well. Just moments ago, the recipient of the one sent by mail informed me that the package arrived empty. So now the Dark Side has an awesome weapon at their disposal. They can disassemble and reverse-engineer it, and duplicate it to their hearts' content. The big surprise for them is the total lack of moving parts or sophistication. They may even laugh in disbelief and derision when they discover that a piece of empty pipe took out Dick Cheney, two NSA Directors, the Moon base, the machine intelligence on the moon base, the the covert black ops functions of the Very Large Array in New Mexico, the Menwith Hill facility in England, the Pine Gap facility in Australia and is
responsible for the physical unease of several members of the Bush Cabinet. Most of these stories are waiting their turn to be told on the Captain's Log thread.


This device now revealed to the Dark Side prompts me to declare that it is time to open up a Second Front in the war against government terrorism, surveillance and control. If Samuel Colt were here, he'd be saying 'What are you waiting for?' I'm waiting no longer; this is how it is done:


You will need a 9 inch length of 3/4 inch copper pipe. Solder a threaded male fitting on one end, one that will accept a PVC pipe cap to seal that end. Plug up the pipe just below the cap, right where it ends inside the fitting. You can use something soft and pliable for this, maybe Silly Putty. All you are doing is creating a chamber in which to deposit the items you are going to use to provide the frequencies you want to send. I make mine with a soldered plug, but since it isn't going to hold liquids then a tight seal is not necessary.


Now, at this point, you should have in your hands a 9 inch piece of pipe with a plastic cap on one end.


The trickiest part of the whole operation comes next. You will want to wrap this pipe with a series of nine {9} six-turn mobius coils. Start from the end farthest from the pipe cap, and wind toward the top. Provide a plug-in from Radio Shack to accept a power source. Wrap the whole thing in foil, household foil works just fine. Then, since it will be handled a lot in service, you can wrap a layer of duct tape over that to provide a more durable surface. There is even colored, designer duct tape available for the fashion conscious user. Then, wrap a series of {3} six-wrap coils on top of that. Tie the ends together. These are to pick up ambient energy. Secure them in the same way as the first series,
using foil and duct tape.


Ambient energy is the energy that bounces around you in the atmosphere all the time. From star systems, from radio and tv waves, from the friendly neighborhood HAARP antenna, and even from your own body. The energy is there. The powered series takes its power from the good ol' Don Croft Terminator, or similar 15hz device.


This is the device that I aimed at the moon when it was last full, a month ago. In fact, it didn't even have the second series of coils on it. It did have some cayenne pepper, the 90,000 heat unit variety. And it had cascara sagrada, an herb. Think Ex-Lax raised to a higherpower. That's cascara sagrada. A few minutes of beaming them from the comfort of my front porch, and the next day the plane flights began. We had small planes, jet planes and helicopters in series and in abundance starting immediately after I shot this thing at the moon and Mars. Before that, it had been a peaceful country homesite. There are days now when the sound of one aircraft doesn't fade before the next aircraft comes over. Many, or maybe most of them, are not really aircraft anyway. Cloaked ships, out trying to intimidate us. So, this thing has the power to get their attention. They should have kept quiet, because their response got my attention. Which ultimately led to the list of successful targets mentioned above.


O.K. You have the hardware in your hands. We're going to talk about philosophy and morality here for a few minutes. I suspect that Mr.Colt skipped that part.


This device, like the regular PowerWand and Succor Punch, amplifies the power of the mind. Radionics users will understand that this is also a radionic device. Action at a distance, that's radionics. And they will also tell you that using
any radionic device is not as simple as using a telephone. Results will vary with individuals. There are tangential factors like focus, intent, mind power, and others that affect outcomes. You can't just dial up some numbers on a radionic device and cure Aunt Susie's cancer. Part of you goes into that device. Your energy is amplified, tuned, and focused. If you're in Walla Walla and Aunt Susie is in Sheboygan, you have to make a mental connection just like you do with a Succor Punch. So it is with this device. You need that mental connection.


I have used this for a month, and every target that I aimed it at radionically, the energy came from my heart chakra. Every time. Some of the Dark Side do not have heart chakras. This will not work for them. And as awesome as it seems to
us, I know from personal experience that they already have powerful radionic devices. They almost killed me with one of them in March of 2002. This device in their hands will not materially alter the balance of power. But, this device in your hands, will.


For those who already have PowerWands, they can be used in the same manner as the device I just described. It is already a radionic tool, proven in use by hundreds of people. And you can bet that the Opposition Forces already have some in their hands. What is different now is that the Widowmaker is cheaper to build and lighter to carry. And tuning it by using herbs and minerals is a new wrinkle in an old technology. You can do the same thing with the PowerWand that you already have. With this caveat....


If you are the least bit queasy or apprehensive about the outcome of using herbs and minerals in an attack mode, then my advice is to not do it at all.


There are upgrades to the effectiveness of this device. But for now, please note that this is a simpler version of more sophisticated device. All our tools are moving in the direction of simplicity now as we become one with the tools, and then become the tool. That's the ultimate upgrade.


I asked Devlin to compare the energy from the Widowmaker with the energy from my right index finger. He said that the Widowmaker is like a tank cannon. My finger is like a pistol.


I'm getting there!


Dragon

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Post# 48624 11/06/03 Cbswork

"We had a total chem whiteout today...


After a few hours of this nonsense, I put the two wands outside and in half an hour, had a hole little over a half mile in size. Two hours later, it was about twenty-five miles across.

I'll try it on some other targets and see what happens.


Pretty nifty little tool, there."



Post# 49710 11/14/03 Captain_Dragon_Farstar (Al)

"I figured that it wouldn't be long before someone came up with a souped-up version of the Widowmaker. I am certainly pleased that it came from Texas, too!!


Was it a certain insight that led you to use 18 inches? Stroke of luck, or stroke of genius, the results are the same. Very significant number, 18. There's a Spiritual connection there, one that I consciously employed in the design of the device. 18 is the number of ISIS, who from the accounts I have gathered, is the Creator Goddess of the human race. She has two numbers that represent her, and 9 is the other one. Which is, of course, what you get when you add the digits of the number 18 together. The numbers refer to her in two different active modes, and my memory is a bit dim on this but I think that one of them is the number representing ISIS in the creative mode, including reproduction. The other is ISIS in the warrior or protective mode. But you get the idea.


The number three is the basic building block of the universe. It is the least number of dots that you can connect to make a geometric form. Everything else is multiples of and variations of, 3. There's a book about this, GOD'S SECRET FORMULA, by Peter Plichta. Slim Spurling mentions it in one of his videos. It is out of print, but I found a copy on the 'net. Worth it, if you can find it.


Now, 3 is a harmonic of 9 or 18, so there's an intended connection to ISIS in the construction of the Widowmaker. The pipe I used was 9 inches long, and the number of wraps of coils was also 9. There are 6 turns in each wrap. You see how that goes? Then the secondary wrap, which has no external power connection, is also done in sets of 3.


The power comes from the Don Croft Terminator box, which is 15hz frequency. 15 is the number of ISIS' brother and husband, OSIRIS. See how this all works together?


There are upgrades for this thing that I will make public in the near future. As it is right now, it is extremely powerful. Cbs used it, and so did you, to erase chemtrails. I'd not thought of that, mainly because chemtrails here are not an everyday problem. I guess they are on the Left Coast. I was pleased and delighted to read of his and your success in using them that way. It reinforced our understanding that the devices are getting simpler and more personally interactive. In time, we will discard the devices entirely and just be our own device. That day is coming, and soon.


I've recently been using my index finger as a "device", and aiming it at some targets just to see what effect it would have on them. Erased a couple of chemtrails with it today. Neutralized that spray as it came out of the plane. And one of our boys has something in his chest that makes the ZapChecker go off so we figure there's something planted in there. So a couple of nights ago I aimed my finger at the spot indicated and he could feel the implant respond to the energy. We kept this up for a while until we both got tickled and had to quit. But checking him afterward, I found that the ZapChecker reading was lower. So, we're onto something there.


The Widowmaker is tuneable for intent by adding homeopathic quantities of any herb or spice you might think of. I use Ex-Lax, or its herbal equivalent Cascara Sagrada. Cayenne pepper too, and garlic paste. Garlic paste goes right to the heart chakra. Coupled with the right intent, it could be used--judiciously--to aid in healing heart problems. Coupled with the right intent on someone who does not have a heart chakra, it could........


They are really not expensive or difficult to make, and small enough to be secreted. At the cost of a large HHG, one could spread a few of these around and clear a large area of smog and chemtrails. No one has done that yet, the device is too new. But I hear tell that Houston is right up near the top when it comes to crud in the air.


Keep playing with the thing, and let us know what you discover and learn as you go along.


Dragon


Triniti Wands and Sally Water. 'Cause it's not just about towers any more.


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Post# 53445 12/25/03 Captain_Dragon_Farstar (Al)

"Thanks, or_, for bringing this up. It had gotten pushed to the back of my mind. So let me bring y'all up to date.


O.K. I don't remember exactly where I left off, but let's assume that you've made your Widowmaker and the empty barrel is all that's on the business end of it. Next thing to do is obtain a pipe connector and a seashell that will fit inside the pipe connector. Get a teeny herkimer crystal from RevTed. I'm talking 2-4 millimeter. He has them. You'll need a ruby about the same size. Lorae found some at a local jewelry store for four dollars. Then take a piece of gold foil and wrap the two gemstones in it and slip it into the seashell opening. Follow with a drop or two of Superglue, so that it doesn't fall out. Then carefully glue the seashell inside the pipe connector. When it is dry, then you can slide the connector onto the barrel of your Widowmaker. Feels just like putting a silencer on the end of a gun. Why should 007 have all the fun?


The seashell construction follows the Fibonacci spiral and the energy that comes out of there is released in a swirling pattern. Those who can see energy tell me that it makes a pattern that will envelop your target in a spirally lasso grip that is hard to extract yourself from. I forget right now just what the two gemstones add to the energy mix, but it is very, very potent. The Fibonacci spiral makes a narrowly focused beam. Without it, what comes out of there looks more like a blowtorch. But don't 'mis-underestimate' [as George Bush would say] the power of that blowtorch. It is no more bound by time or space than is a Succor Punch. And you still have that chamber on the power cord end where you can put in stuff to tune it.


One of the most potent things I have found is that 300,000 heat unit pepper from our man in Minnesota. He sent me some more the other day. I don't know if he wants his name mentioned or not. He can come forward if he does. I have enough to share with some of you. E-mail me and I'll send you a capsule of it. All these tuning substances will work in a regular PowerWand, I might add. And you can use a bit of Sally Water if the Spirit moves you in that direction.


dragon@cgmailbox.com


Does anyone here have that video of David Icke and Credo Mutwa? I'm not sure if it is in a book somewhere or not. I was reviewing the video a couple of days before Xmas and picked up a gem of information that slid right on past me the first time I watched it.


Credo is telling David about the reptilians. They have a name for them, and I will try to spell it. Chitahuili. Credo was telling David that the African people are well aware of these creatures. He said that to kill them, you have to use a stake made of Rhodesian Teakwood. And he showed David the one he carries. There is something about that wood that affects them like a stake through a vampire's heart. That started me thinking.....



Why not load up a sliver or two of that particular wood in your Widowmaker or PowerWand or some HHGs or Tbs made especially for locations where they hang out? The PowerWand or Widowmaker would be used for long distance work on certain troublesome people. The HHG or Tb would be used on-site to treat the local environment. I did find some pieces of wood on E-Bay for less than five dollars. Burmese wood is available also, but Credo specified Rhodesian. Those with radionic machines could find the proper frequency and beam it to selected targets. I have not tried this at all, or even consulted the Oracle to find out what She says. But the idea is so deliciously promising, I had to throw it out there.


There is no orgonite at work in the Widowmaker. It is strictly for attack, just like my .357. It's merely a matter of choosing the right tool for the job. Some threats pose an immediate threat and must be dealt with accordingly. Don took out some his own way. We here at S.A.P.S. put a few points on the scoreboard in our own way. Referring once again to the stomach analogy, it is like using some sort of medicine to knock out the bad bacteria in your stomach. When the disgestive situation has deteriorated that far, drastic action [Widowmaker] must be taken to save the patient. Then you go in and seed the gastric system with friendly bacteria. Best thing to do is not let it get that far into the trouble zone. Best thing we could have done is not let our national and global situation get that far gone either. But our life spans are short, our adversaries have much longer life spans. They get a continuity of effort that we don't have with our teeny little life span. So, from time to time, drastic action must be taken to rid the body politic of parasites. A .357 will do it, but it brings on complications you may not want to deal with. Best to use more subtle methods. And then we go in and re-seed the area with orgone to bring it back into balance.


Gastric disturbances arise when someone treats the digestive system badly. The body politic suffers when treated badly, too. The parasites that are removed from the digestive system OR the body politic must then be replaced by active, friendly bacteria in the digestive tract or active, friendly, biological orgone generators as office holders.


And that's what we need to focus on next. It's not enough to knock out the bad office holders. We need some people to replace them. Any volunteers?


Dragon


Triniti Wands and Sally Water. 'Cause it's not just about towers any more.


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