History of the Orgonite/Cloudbuster Movement

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Postby Donovan » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:46 pm

“The two most important things a proof must possess are clarity and backup” were stated above by the challenger, Mr. Too Stoned.

Let us have back-up too. Who else has access to a CAD to follow the proof? More the better. Each step can be taken in order. There are ways of checking. Than there will be no question. Step one is for the challenger and hopefully at least one other to construct the proof and compare the angle result at the end. The proof is to follow the steps in order and see if the Great Pyramid slope is, or is not, obtained.

There are not too many steps, the very tedious part the large amount of zooming in and out for precision. (clarity). What is exquisite is that the proof is completely 2-D. The balls concept transposed to normal 3-D to pick the exact 2-D view to construct the Great Pyramid slope in a fairly small amount of steps. As in any proof the more people getting the same result the better.

Everyone here, someone knows someone who has Corel Draw. And I am sure, if this a real challenge, Mr. Too Stoned can come up with either the program or someone who has it and can follow the directions for him.
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Postby Donovan » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:53 pm

I don't know what to make of that , lol.
If you are right, and I assume you are, either they were presenting a hell of a coinsodince or an isider joke. But you can't hae a corp without real people.
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Postby philipacentaur » Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:54 pm

Are you responding to me? It's a fact.
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Postby TooStoned » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:09 am

You are one of the most intellectually dishonest hucksters I've ever run across on the internets.

What you presented is not a mathematical proof.

It is a drawing and a lot of jumbled crap.

A mathematical proof does not require that the reader possess a CAD program to read it.

Your demand that I or someone else draw in a CAD program is prima facie proof that your "mathematical proof" isn't a mathematical proof.

You may believe that it proves your point, and it may to the terminally stupid, but it is not a mathematical "proof" as you've stated previously upthread.

Just like you stated that cubic crystals are almost unknown in nature, and thats false


Just like you stated that "spin pairs the four forces" and that's false.

Just like you stated that your map maker dad Watson and GLICK (not Crick) was needed to draw DNA, and that's false.
etc.

You are full of shit, broadcast shit, and we can't tell if you're ideas about geometry are valid because they can't be exticated from your shit... :twisted:
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Postby Donovan » Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:44 am

Geometric proofs are drawn. That is how they are done.
If the result of the proof is a precise angle the more precise the drawing the better.
You are merely finding excuses not to back up your challenge.
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Complete Bunk and more Intellectual dishonesty from Donny

Postby TooStoned » Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:22 am

Don the bullshit artist:
I guess you can't "put up" so you challenge me to do work that you haven't been able to do yourself.

Stop demanding I follow your buggered protocols; you are required to follow the protocols of mathematical proofs if you want what you describe to be called a "mathematical proof."

You have not presented a mathematical proof. Period

You make a "mathematical proof" by making a LABELED diagram and then a series of true mathematical statements that describe that diagram and in sum proove your supposition.

You haven't and probably can't do this.

What you've written on your webpage isn't even close to these universally accepted (within the field of mathematics) requirements for "math proofs".

Just like your statements on DNA, Crystals, Fermat, etc.

You won't even post the mythic "proof in radians" (do you even know what a radian is?) done by "someone else"

Whether or not I or any other RI person have CAD or draw it freehand doesn't matter, it is up to you to present the proof in complete form.

Demanding I draw anythig exactly analogous to the fundie Xian's rant, "proove therre is no god"

I'll keep on flogging this dead horse until the damn thing gets up and gallops away...

BTW what about all that shyte that you said about DNA, Crystals, Fermat, and the rest.

Donny, I'm going to dream-land now, but I'll be back tomorrow to post a reply to your chickenshit obfustication that is sure to follow...

"ye shall know them by their fruit"

and your fruit is not only rotten, but seriously toxic to honest inquiry and exploration...

Again I ask the rhetorical question, if what you write isn't immediately apprehendable to all why are you posting?

(Donny's answer he dare not say: to bask in the accolades and attention of the suckers who are drawn in to my mumbo jumbo)
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Last installment of my History story

Postby marykmusic » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:18 pm

Rain. Lots of rain. For about three months after the Agnihotra ceremony was begun in the desert south of Casa Grande, it rained about every two weeks. Enough rain to make a huge difference in the amount of water behind the dam at San Carlos. That’s the one when, after it was finished in the early ‘30’s at the dedication ceremony, Will Rogers said, “If this were my lake, I’d mow it.”

Meanwhile, the orgone devices were still being made, and mind development became a huge part of both of our development. It was also in December 2004 that I took a photo of Dragon’s finger being pointed at the camera and he posted it on the cloud-busters forum, telling folks they could do what he does. “Just touch your finger to my finger on the picture, and you’ll have a Magic Finger, too.” And people did that, and by golly, reported that it worked for them! Not that “the Magic” was actually being transferred, you know, just that folks need something to encourage them to try something new. But by the beginning of January, we were both kicked off.

We kept an email list of dozens of people, and the Captain’s Log, which had started on the original Yahoo cloudbusters forum and maintained on Stuart’s, was continued privately along with lots of related correspondence. We had visitors and traveled to meet folks not too far away, too.

Meanwhile, all kinds of plans were being made, with and without our knowledge. It’s funny, the way the Universe works. We’re each where we’re supposed to be, with or without our… “permission”… and whether we contribute to the plan or not. We knew, for example, that we’d be moving but thought it would be to southern Missouri. But first I must back up a bit…

In April 2004, I think it was, a call went out to a list of folks, to help someone we didn’t know at all. Dragon got right down and did a remote healing. The man was in the hospital, near death, and nobody knew what was wrong. A week later, he walked out. Someone else on that list contacted us soon after to ask for our help. He was a Targeted Individual and had been for a decade or more.

This was a welcome challenge! Because he knew there were directed energy weapons in nearby houses, he took pictures of these places and sent them to us. Dragon did remote attack, I did remote viewing, and the gentleman target reported as a forward observer. It was heady, because it was working, and for the target it meant relief for him that he could see and feel. And (this is important) report to us.

So in July I traded in the Escort because I could feel the tranny slowly getting worse, planning on moving and had real estate ready to look at; and the car probably would have cost too much to fix. Plus, each time it rained, it was almost too much getting from our house to the pavement almost a mile away. Low clearance; neighbors all had 4WD pickups that dug up the “road” too much. I came home with an SUV. A few days later, the boys and I headed for Missouri, with a slight detour to visit the gentleman target. After meeting him, Dragon (who had stayed home) and I both knew that moving cross-country was not going to be part of the Universe’s plan for us. I turned that SUV around and came back home.

Within a couple of months, this gentleman was living in a travel trailer in our back yard, and he and Dragon did a lot of research-and-development together. Seems like that’s why the man was targeted in the first place, because he’s an inventor with some incredible energy tools, things he’d done for years. He was there when the first Agnihotra fire was lit, and his energy sight is amazing. He knew what was going on. And for the first time in a decade, in our territory, our protective zone, he was able to start back on his path of developing new stuff. Before, it had been defensive, all the time, and being pushed back into a wall.

In the spring, he moved to the Sedona area; that summer, we moved here, about ½ hour west of there but not within the still-overwhelming negative reptilian energies. He got tired of that, too, and moved closer to us not long after.

But that’s where we’re at today; there is ash in the Orgonite devices as well as charged water. Many things don’t even have Orgonite as we knew it, for example the seashell pendants Dragon makes, and the mudballs.

We still do our ceremony, every sunrise and sunset. Ash, mudballs, and our personal energy still get sent out all over the world. Our buddy says he can feel our particular energy signature several blocks away, and this neighborhood is pretty peaceful, it’s true.

The history of the Orgonite/cloudbuster movement is, over all else, about people. Folks come and go; they are “orgone warriors” for a short time, or still are, or never really were but simply dilettantes. But everyone who comes around is affected some way or another. It’s an ongoing discussion in many Internet groups, especially those dedicated primarily to chemtrails activism. Wherever the subject is brought up there is a lively conversation carried on, and any time the idea that a person can make a difference in the sky above, there is an immediate chorus of naysayers and what Dragon calls “hoot-down artists.” Funny, other subjects aren’t quite as volatile as self-empowerment through active participation.

No matter what the subject, there are those who sit paralyzed in fear being kept that way by “experts” telling more scary stuff, and the other side, folks who try to do something about it. Some go to illegal extremes, such as (lets use a fictional character) in Edward Abbey’s Monkey Wrench Gang. We, however, advocate only legal methods. Because it's spiritual warfare, not physical.

After all, we are not simply physical beings having a spiritual experience; we’re spiritual/etheric beings learning our way around in the physical world. --MaryK
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Postby anonymoose » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:04 am

Obviously Donovan doesn't know enough math to explain what he's talking about. His website is pure gibberish. Why argue with him?
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Postby Burnt Hill » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:40 am

Hi Mary, thanks for trying to get this thread back on topic. I personally enjoy your writing style, and your stories. And I am trying to bring some self empowerment through active participation my self. I wrote about chemtrails over my area and my exercise with agnihotra and then got completely sidetracked. I will try to pick it up. There was a distinct weather pattern change here in upstate N.Y.(from unusually warm, to cold) after placing agnihotra by a tower approximately in the middle of it all. I was immediately covered by a dense fog that was disorienting, and felt malevolent. I held my ground, and did not give in to fear. The very next day there were no chemtrails, and havent been any since. Which leads me to wonder in circles. Did the chemtrails help bring the cold weather pattern change-which I felt was necessary as my fruit trees and vines need winter? Did the agnihotra break the cycle of the chemtrails, therefore allowing a necessary change in seasons? How do you see it? I realize this post is not very concise and leaves me open to attack, but I am talking to Mary.
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:45 am

Mary, Dragon, et al: With the efficacy of what you do assumed, what is your opinion of Jerry Decker's feelings on indiscriminate manipulation of the weather via Orgone devices?
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Postby marykmusic » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:39 am

First, Burnt Hill and others, it's Mary-with-a-K, okay? Two names. Mary-K. I have my numerological reasons. And yes, starting Agnihotra kicked everything to a whole 'nother level. Since then, just in the last year or so, we've started using a connection to the Archangel Michael... I don't think we've talked about that yet.

Now, p-a-centaur, this is probably what you refer to:
Wilhelm Reich, in his book, "The Murder of Christ" spoke of the harm done to the cause of freedom by irresponsible "Freedom Peddlers" and warned about the possibility that his own work would be similarly usurped by "Orgonomy Peddlers" who would use it in harmful ways.

As with so much Reich said, this warning has been ignored by many people favorably disposed toward Reich and his work, many of whom are supporting and encouraging individuals whose reckless and irresponsible misuse of Reich's discoveries and incompetent and misguided efforts to "prove Reich right" are causing serious ecological damage.

I wish to make clear that the criticism that follows is not directed at Reich and his theories, but only at the actions of certain present-day Reichians whom I regard as incompetent and irresponsible "Orgonomy Peddlers" of the type Reich warned about. I specifically am not contesting the facts of orgone biophysics, but the misguided application of those facts by one group of proponents of Reich's work, specifically, Dr. James DeMeo and his associates.

I am convinced that Dr. DeMeo and his associates are doing a great deal of harm to the environment and innocent members of the public as well as hurting the long-term prospects for serious investigation of Reich's discoveries by ill-conceived cloudbusting operations conducted without proper ecological knowledge or concern for the environment.

Dr.DeMeo's obsessive compulsion to convert unbelievers and his need to gather statistics has resulted in devastation to ecosystems and other damages due to storms, floods, and freezing weather.

In 1989, DeMeo, then living in the San Francisco Bay area, conducted a series of cloudbusting operations in the Arizona desert. As recounted in his article in "The Journal of Orgonomy", he first visited Arizona in March, two months before the rainy season starts, and within 3 days had produced rain.

He subsequently visited Arizona one weekend each month during the 5-month rainy season and brought rain each time for a seasonal total of 5 times the normal rainfall for the area in which he was working.

Now, in any area with a well-defined wet season and dry season, all native plant and animal species are adapted to the normal dry season and need it.

Small burrowing mammals such as pocket mice, kangaroo rats, gophers, etc. give birth underground in the dry season; if it rains unexpectedly at the wrong time of year, the burrows flood and the infants drown; reptiles such as snakes, lizards, the desert tortoise, which is on the endangered species list, the gila monster, found only in Arizona, lay their eggs in the dry season under a thin coat of sand, just enough to hide them but allow the sun to incubate them.

If it rains out of season, the sand is washed away and they lose a clutch of eggs. These small mammals and reptiles are the base of the food chain and if their population crashes so will that of the owls, coyotes, badgers, and other predators that depend on them.

In "Contact With Space", Reich described exactly what he did in Arizona. He spent 5 months in the desert. He drove 100 miles every day just to familiarize himself with the landscape so he could note any changes in it. By contrast, James DeMeo lived in Northern California and commuted to the desert one weekend a month.

After 5 months of patient work, Reich succeeded in obtaining a lush growth of grass WITHOUT A DROP OF RAIN HAVING FALLEN ---- That's right!

Reich, according to his own report, did not create rain in the desert and did not want to!


It's found here: http://www.keelynet.com/ecology/cloudbst.htm

This is different from what we do. DeMeo uses methods that are different from both Reich and Croft. He does indeed upset the larger ecosystem. The Croftian method uses the connection with the devas of the crystals, which are essentially part of the larger Gaia organism. This is not a "rob Peter to pay Paul" method such as DeMeo uses.

So I must say, according to the information in this article by Jerry Decker and Chuck Henderson, no, I think they are not fully informed here. But who knows how they feel now? This article is years old.

I still stand by the self-empowerment aspect of the things we do, and help others acheive for themselves. We don't MAKE it rain. We enable Mother Nature to re-adjust Herself by removing chemtrails and negative energies of all types. --MaryK

On edit: Please note that the above website is dated 1996. That was before my brother got involved with this field.
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Postby Burnt Hill » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:01 pm

My apologies Marykmusic, i will use your full name for now on. No intent to offend. Guess I was looking for a more personal and indepth discussion with you, but my timing is poor. Talk to you soon?
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Postby philipacentaur » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:01 pm

This is different from what we do. DeMeo uses methods that are different from both Reich and Croft.


I'm sorry, but what you do is also different from Reich -- so much so, that I wonder why you would even attempt to associate his name and his work to anything that you do.
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Postby Donovan » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:02 am

Let us presume for a moment that Jerry Decker and, for all I know, most of Keelynet are thinking that cloudbusters are modern weather arsonists. If so at least they believe there is something to it. You can’t call it arson unless you believe there are real fires and real matches.
Let us also, for the fun of it, presume (as Seth talked about) that our emotions are very connected to the weather system worldwide.

What kinds of things would come to mind with the whole, Croft, MaryKmusic/ Dragon tales? What kinds of threads to the past?. Far more than Reich !!!
(and forgive my spelling of about anything).
Thinking of the miracle group in the 1600s in France, Janeists (or something sounding like that). Defied physics. Thousands of people involved and the Church major upset. As well as they were upsetting the political environment. But no explanation. Large rocks could be dropped on these people’s heads. Swords could not penetrate them. Eventually the Church was backed into a corner had to state that it was real but must come from the devil. But physical contact was important. One person producing the phenomena would touch another. The next would go into spasms and ‘jerk around for hours’ (not unlike, in fact just like, the motion picture of the movements of the children at Fatima) and then start producing the miracles.

Another spread by ‘touch’ is common firewalking. Who knows who started it. Someone does it, another watches it. The one who can firewalk takes the hand of the beginner and they walk across unharmed. Slowly it spreads.

If the government is upset about cloudbusting (let us say in any legitimate sense re chemtrails they seem to be the worst)…, what can they do? Complain that unreal matches are used to commit unreal weather arson? They must either acknowledge the phenomena or (if they believe but don’t want to admit they believe) try to stop the ‘spread’ on the sly.

Tossing a mudball was not anywhere in the front of my mind. Perhaps it was a ‘dragon’ train of thought…, who knows. ‘Dragon’, I thought, ‘The Dragon plumes’. The Dragon plumes are the best indicators of wind for many miles and used by many fishermen, the plumes from the giant Dragon Cement Works in Thomaston. So I started to giggle, ‘what if a mudball got in the plumes?’ Just as…, exactly as…, I am thinking of ‘how’ I park near a Dragon Cement truck and saw that the truck, by tireload, had unloaded. In a flash knew it had to be cleaned within an hour on that ramp, the water going down, would end up recycled in the plumes. As it worked out the trough was in the line of my walk into the convenience store. Putting the mudball where it would end up in that plume took about as much effort as popping a piece of candy in my mouth. Checked time and wind. While that was being washed it would change to an offshore and slow to at least five knots. Perfect.

Anyone arguing with MaryKmusic will by reduction either end up arguing with Archangel Michael or condemning MaryKmusic as a witch.

And I would therefore question anyone wanting to argue. For what?
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:02 am

It is interesting that you (and the keelynet author) have the attitude to DeMeo that he has to you and your crew and associates maryk.

to be honest this is the biggest issue i have with CBing of any sort.

Indigenous people worldwide claim to be able to manipulate weather, tho I don't think its ever been tested.

but usually they base their worldview in being "at one" with the land, whatever that means. they usually have a specific relationship with place and base their actions in serving that relationship, re this stuff. And in a perfect world.

I never got that sense from deMeo. And other orgone investigators. Like they can't see the forest for the trees. Its a UNIVERSAL LIFE ENERGY, and as such what happens with life influences its form. Life is the ecosystem of an area.

And thats one of my issues with the use of those chrystals. Do they want to leave the earths crust, or the thunder eggs out west or wherever they were for part of some mass produced anything?

Maybe they aren't happy with being dragged out of their home to serve someone else's purpose?

I guess you have answer that to your satisfaction, not mine...

Let us also, for the fun of it, presume (as Seth talked about) that our emotions are very connected to the weather system worldwide.


Seth isn't the only one saying that.

It's trying so hard, straining to be understood but it speaks a different language than I do. It screams of discontent and longing, of fear and irrationality. The Mistral can be used as a line of defense in a murder trial - the Mistral blew right through me, icing my heart and forcing me to kill. The Mistral whispers of change, but it's not an innocent whisper in a quiet library.


I dunno the truth of that myth but have heard it for a while.

http://www.bootsnall.com/articles/02-04/mistral-provence-france.html

Anyone who at my local shop last night might make the connection between emotions and weather....

BTW Here's a link to a company performing "Indigenous Weather Management".

http://twm.co.nz/sitemap.html

they have been a bit quiet about what they do since about the middle of 05.
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