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The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue May 16, 2006 4:18 am

*(No wonder our species is barely beginning to climb out of the barbarism pit. Children barely survive family abuse in much of the world. I just read that 90% of those diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder are women. Probably due to fathers and male relatives molesting them, I'd guess. History suggest so, too.<br>Much more at this site that must be read by Jeff and the RI regulars to see that Nazi-CIA MKUltra mind control tactics have old old roots based in gender and family roles. Which is why I say<br>'fascism is a male domination cult.'<br>-HMW)*<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html">psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> In several hundred studies published by myself and my associates in The Journal of Psychohistory, we have provided extensive evidence that the history of childhood has been a nightmare from which we have only recently begun to awaken. The further back in history one goes--and the further away from the West one gets--the more massive the neglect and cruelty one finds and the more likely children are to have been killed, rejected, beaten, terrorized and sexually abused by their caretakers.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Indeed, my conclusion from a lifetime of psychohistorical study of childhood and society is that the history of humanity is founded upon the abuse of children. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->Just as family therapists today find that child abuse often functions to hold families together as a way of solving their emotional problems, so, too, the routine assault of children has been society's most effective way of maintaining its collective emotional homeostasis. Most historical families once practiced infanticide, erotic beating and incest. Most states sacrificed and mutilated their children to relieve the guilt of adults. Even today, we continue to arrange the daily killing, maiming, molestation and starvation of children through our social, military and economic activities. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I would like to summarize here some of the evidence I have found as to why child abuse has been humanity's most powerful and most successful ritual, why it has been the cause of war and social violence, and why the eradication of child abuse and neglect is the most important social task we face today.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>THE CHILD AS POISON CONTAINER<br>The main psychological mechanism that operates in all child abuse involves using children as what I have termed poison containers--receptacles into which adults project disowned parts of their psyches, so they can control these feelings in another body without danger to themselves.<br>....<br>In fact, I have found that rather than the incest taboo being universal--as anthropologists claim--it is incest itself that has been universal for most children in most cultures in most times. A childhood more or less free from adult sexual use is in fact a very late historical achievement, limited to a few fortunate children in a few modern nations. To give you some idea of the extensive evidence I have gathered for such an unlikely conclusion, I would like to begin by summarizing the evidence which exists for the sexual abuse of children around the world today.<br><br>THE SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN TODAY<br>In America, the most accurate scientific studies, based on lengthy interviews, report that 30 percent of men and 40 percent of women remember having been sexually molested during childhood---defining "molestation" as actual genital contact, not just exposure. About half of these are directly incestuous, with the family members, the other half usually being with others, but with the complicity of caretakers in at least 80 percent of the cases. These experiences of seduction are not just pieced together from fragmentary memories, but are remembered in detail, are usually for an extended period of time and have been confirmed by follow-up reliability studies in 83 percent of the cases, so they are unlikely to have been fantasies. The seductions occurred at much earlier ages than had been previously assumed, with 81 percent occurring before puberty and an astonishing 42 percent under age 7. As high as these molestation rates seem, however, they represent only a portion of the true rates, not only because those interviewed do not include populations that have been shown to have extremely high rates---such as criminals, prostitutes, juveniles in shelters, psychotics, etc.--but also because only conscious memories were counted, and the earliest seductions of children are almost never remembered except during psychotherapy. Adjusting statistically for what is known about these additional factors, I have concluded that the real sexual abuse rate for America is 60 percent for girls and 45 percent for boys, about half of these directly incestuous.<br><br>Other Western nations have made fewer careful studies. A recent Canadian study by Gallup of 2,000 adults has produced incidence rates almost exactly the same as those found in the United States. Latin American family sexual activity--particularly widespread pederasty as part of macho sexuality--is considered even more widespread. In England, a recent BBC "ChildWatch" program asked its female listeners--a large though admittedly biased sample--if they remembered sexual molestation, and, of the 2,530 replies analyzed, 83 percent remembered someone touching their genitals, 62 percent recalling actual intercourse. In Germany, the Institut für Kindheit has recently concluded a survey asking West Berlin schoolchildren about their sexual experiences, and 80 percent reported having been molested.<br><br>Outside the West, the sexual molestation of children is a routine practice in most families. Childhood in India begins, according to observers, with the child being regularly masturbated by the mother, the girl "to make her sleep well," the boy "to make him manly." The child sleeps in the family bed, witnesses and most likely takes part in sexual intercourse between the parents. The child is often "borrowed" to sleep with other members of the extended household, leading to the Indian proverb that "For a girl to be a virgin at ten years old, she must have neither brothers nor cousin nor father." <br>....<br>Clearly, different groups have moved different distances up the ladder of psychological evolution, since some contemporary groups still practice brain-eating as our Paleolithic ancestors did, and different subgroups of our more advanced nations still terrorize and abuse their children in ways identical to those that were commonplace centuries ago, producing the "historical fossils" (early "psychoclasses") we now call borderline personalities and other severe character disorders. Your neighbor is as likely to be a result of medieval parenting as of modern parenting, so modern societies contain a full range of childrearing modes and psychoclasses. The "generational pressure" for psychological change is not only an independent historical force--originating in inborn adult-child striving for relationship--it occurs independent of social and technological change, and can be found even in periods of economic stagnation. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>My "psychogenic theory of history" posits that a society's childrearing practices are not just one item in a list of cultural traits, but--because all other traits must be passed down from generation to generation through the narrow funnel of childhood--instead makes childrearing the very basis for the transmission and development of all other cultural traits, placing definite limits on what can be achieved in the material spheres of history.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The main source of childhood evolution is, I believe, the process I call psychogenesis, by which parents--mainly the mother for most of history--revisit a second time around the stages of childhood and undo to some extent the traumas they themselves endured. It is in this sense that history is like a psychotherapy of the generations, undoing trauma and giving historical personality a chance at a new start with every baby born. Only humans have brain networks that allow this miracle to take place. All cultural changes in the past 100,000 years of Homo sapiens sapiens are epigenetic, not genetic. Regardless of changes in the environment, it is only when changes in childhood occur that epigenetic changes in the brain can occur and societies can begin to progress and move in unpredictable new directions that are more adaptive. That more individuated and loving individuals are ultimately more adaptive is understandable--because they are less under the pressures of infantile traumas and are therefore more rational in reaching their goals. But that this childhood evolution--and therefore all social evolution--is terribly uneven is also understandable, given the varying conditions under which parents all over the world have to conduct their childrearing tasks. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 5/16/06 2:25 am<br></i>
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Re: The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby bvonahsen » Tue May 16, 2006 5:25 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Children barely survive family abuse in much of the world. I just read that 90% of those diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder are women.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Just as whites are not usually aware of extent of racism in our society so men are not aware of just how much violence is directed towards women. Lower classes <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>need</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> to be more aware of the upper class.<br><br>A women's life is bound by fear, a man's is bound by rage.<br><br>Thanks for the link Hugh. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby Sepka » Tue May 16, 2006 5:31 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4984986.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-...984986.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A leaked report in Australia has detailed horrific levels of sexual abuse in remote Aboriginal communities, including the rape of a baby. [...] Dr Nanette Rogers, who is a Crown prosecutor in the Northern Territory, said that Aboriginal settlements were suffering from tragedy fatigue, where monstrous crimes appeared unremarkable. <br><br>Dr Rogers said that many victims were too afraid to speak to the police, fearful of reprisals from within their community. <br><br>"All child sexual assault in central Australia is happening at much higher rates than are currently being reported to police," she said.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Edit:<br><br>And <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19149874-2702,00.html">A more in-depth analysis of the behaviour</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> in its cultural context.<br><br>-Sepka the Space Weasel <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sepka>Sepka</A> at: 5/16/06 4:34 pm<br></i>
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Have you read any of Alice Miller's works?

Postby Chiaroscuro » Tue May 16, 2006 8:18 pm

I personally found several of her books very useful in understanding the why of abuse from the family level up on up to the level of genocide. It is not an excuse but an examination of the mechanics how children are dehumanised and deprived of the ability to have empathy for another being because that is the treatment they received from their caregivers.<br><br>I do agree that part of facism is male dominence. It keeps conflict and fear alive even in the family not just out in the world where the Enemy is a treat. the problem with patriarchy is not just the abuse of women and children. on top of that is the belief that manly men can't be human and have fear or be tender, caring loving. the only acceptable emotions are rage and lust. the other emotions are called female and childish and so must be rooted out.<br><br>back to the abuse of children I remember an old cartoon depicting the cycle of violence. A boss yells at a man who goes home and yells at his wife, the wife yells at their child, and it ends with the child kicking the family dog. if the victim can't or won't defend itself and if the the victim does not turn the violence inward it will later take it out upon someone who is perceieved as a safe target. someone who can't effectively fight back or fight back at all. and so the cycle of abuse continues. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue May 16, 2006 8:46 pm

From Sepka's link above-<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19149874-2702,00.html">www.theaustralian.news.co...02,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"It was awful, absolutely dreadful. Cases like this are really beyond the range of normal comprehension."<br><br>"In normal behaviour we expect to be say murdered or sexually assaulted or maybe stabbed <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but not on a constant basis</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> not in relation to horrible offences committed on really small children."<br><br>She said Aboriginal <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>communities were suffering from tragedy fatigue, allowing horrific crimes to appear unremarkable.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"The child grows up seeing violence all around him or her and having violence done to him or her and then becomes an adult and then they become violent themselves," she said.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Nevermind aboriginal Australia, this is an accurate description of fascist American culture where war and domestic brutalities are normalized through every media venue possible from the NYTimes to TV's NYPD Blue to the Gropenfuhrer's megaplex movies.<br><br>Both the shock value and amusement value of state-controlled media violence have been upped gradually over the last 60 years like a drug the patient becomes resistant to necessitating stronger doses. <br><br>The social Darwinist elite attempt to inculcate the same cruel ethos in the masses to reduce resistance to and increase compliance with fascism, like Michael Savage and his 'Savage Nation' agit prop radio show.<br><br>This isn't just to sell things, it is social engineering by stimulating the brain's mirror neurons (monkey see monkey do) for the National inSecurity State to prevent peace and guarantee a pool of violence-prone recruitable males.<br><br>Keeping the much more nurturing female subservient or atleast cowed lest she pacify the male is part of this plan, not just an old bad boys club habit. Yes, it really is conspiratorial.<br><br>Since some RI-ers bristle at sweeping generalizations and go into 'prove-it-or-shut-up-you-paranoid-freak' mode in response to statements like this, let me qualify this by saying that National inSecurity State social engineering is a three generations-old combination of creating a culture that runs this way on its own yet also has minders and shepards to guarantee things stay on track, rather like animal-breeding. <br><br>For this is an effort to bring out the worst in people and, like keeping a wound open, is counter to our evolved natures as social animals whose brains are hard-wired for compassion as recently proven with brain-scanning medical technology. <br><br>Yes, Jesus was scientifically correct, not just a "fuzzy-headed liberal with a You May Say I'm a Dreamer But I'm Not the Only One"-bumper sticker espousing some irrelevent Utopia. He was describing what kind of animal we really are despite many of us not realizing it and the dominant power elite working very hard to to hide this revolutionary self-knowledge from us.<br><br>So if you look at <br>0) Darwin<br>1) Freud<br>2) Bernays<br>3) Mein Kampf<br>4) OSS Morale Operations documents<br>5) Psychological Strategy Board documents<br>6) Pentagon/CIA psychological warfare documents<br>7) Evolutionary brain science<br>...and read the 20th century history of Total War and the Revolution in Military Affairs which recognizes mind control as superior to mere body control, one finds <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a large body of military doctrine which decrees that whatever it takes to maintain control of populations is what is done. Period.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Control = winning = survival, the ultimate human goal.<br><br>This is the core morality and brutal pragmatism of American military-media dictatorship or 'scientific fascism.'<br><br>So I base my statements on a combination of empirical history, documentation, and logic.<br><br>In a world run using psychological deception, manipulation, and coercion, this is as close to 'proof' as one is likely to get. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Have you read any of Alice Miller's works?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue May 16, 2006 9:32 pm

Yes, and some of her work is on the Psychohistory.com website since she has been a leading analyst of the study of child abuse.<br>I first read her 'The Drama of the Gifted Child' back in the 1970s which details how being 'bright' traumatizes many children by burdening them with high performance expectations and seperating them from other kids socially in abusively-hierarchical public schools designed to do exactly that, divide children from each other early in life and thus prevent adult solidarity which would promote populism and democracy.<br><br>Children are on the front lines of fascism and are the most vulnerable. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://psychohistory.com/htm/06_politic.html">psychohistory.com/htm/06_politic.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"The Political Consequences of Child Abuse" by Alice Miller<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The argument that in the Weimar Republic unemployment and poverty caused immense general frustration that was discharged via the mass murder of the Jews is hardly convincing, given that Hitler was quickly successful in getting unemployment under control.<br><br>There must have been other factors at play which have hitherto been ignored, factors going some way to explaining why the Holocaust happened in Germany and why it happened at this particular time rather than another. In my view, one possible operative factor is the destructive child--rearing style practiced widely on infants around the turn of the century in Germany, a style I have no hesitation in referring to as a universal abuse of infants.<br><br>Of course children in other countries have been and still are mistreated in the name of upbringing or caregiving, but hardly already as babies and hardly with the systematic thoroughness characteristic of the Prussian pedagogy. In the two generations before Hitler's rise to power, the implementation of this method was brought to a high degree of perfection in Germany. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>With this foundation to build on, Hitler finally achieved what he wanted: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"My ideal of education is hard. Whatever is weak must be hammered away. In the fortresses of my militant order a generation of young people will grow to strike fear into the heart of the world. Violent, masterful, unafraid, cruel youth is what I want. Young people must be all that. They must withstand pain. There must be nothing weak or tender about them. The free--magnificent predator must flash from their eyes again. I want them strong and beautiful...That way I can fashion things anew."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>This education program revolving on the extermination of everything life--giving was the forerunner of Hitler's plans for the extermination of an entire nation. Indeed it was the prerequisite for the ultimate success of his designs.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Have you read any of Alice Miller's works?

Postby isachar » Wed May 17, 2006 12:49 am

Hugh, you've made a brilliant series of posts on this subject/thread. Your own comments are as incisive as those of whom you have cited. Thanks for posting.<br><br>Do you have recommendations or links to articles for pedagogical upbringing that would innoculate children (and later as adults) from fascist tendencies or manipualtion?<br><br>Thanks. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby bvonahsen » Wed May 17, 2006 1:21 am

With regards to infant rape... any large metropolitan city ER experiences newborns comming in with ripped vaginas on a regular basis. <br><br>My e-mail is at <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.asarian-host.org/" target="top">asarian-host.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> This is a fairly well known anonymous e-mail site that was started as a service so that survivors could free themselves from their stalking abusers. It is hosted out of Denmark and is free. Check out the hosted sites on the main page for more info. There is some really nice poetry too.<br><br>Asarian means one who is a member of the usenet group alt.sex.abuse.recovery which was quickly over-run with spam and porn. As a result, they formed a.s.a.r.moderated. There are others, I posted on alt.abuse.recovery, out of the .sex heirarchy and much less subject to spam and trolls. We also met on efnet on IRC and on asarian's own IRC server.<br><br>There is nothing, I mean nothing, that I have read regarding ritual abuse or stanic abuse that surprises me anymore. And from what I've read about the Illuminati and other simular cults all seems pretty typical to me. What I don't believe is that they posses any psychic or spiritual powers, they're just sick fucks getting off if you ask me. Sociopaths and sexual sadists tend to overestimate their abilities in my opinion.<br><br>If there are aliens on this planet it wouldn't surprize me at all that they would treat us as little more than animals. That's what we are. But then, I'm prolly not the best one to render an opinion on the human race. <br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:50 pm

Kicking this back up from the fall-off-the-site page due to the revival of the Jon Benet Ramsey scenario. <p></p><i></i>
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Sick f*cks

Postby Col Quisp » Sat Sep 16, 2006 3:07 pm

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Re: Sick f*cks

Postby 1 tal » Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:50 pm

<br><br> more from psychohistory:<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/06a1_incest.html"> The Universality of Incest</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"..When Sigmund Freud discovered that eighteen of his hysterical patients had conscious memories of childhood sexual seductions, mostly by family members, he faced a theoretical impasse.(16) Since he believed only repressed memories could produce hysterical symptoms, the easily accessible detailed memories of his patients could not be the real cause of their hysteria. He therefore concluded that there must in each case have been an earlier seduction, the memory of which was repressed, generally occurring between the ages of two and five and never later than eight. These early scenes had to be reconstructed from fantasies and dreams, and even when Freud pieced them together for the patient, he admitted, "they have no feeling of remembering the scenes."(17)<br><br> These earlier infantile reconstructions, Freud quite correctly decided in 1897, were "scenes of seduction [that] had never taken place. ..they were only phantasies which my patients had made up or which I myself had perhaps forced on them."(18) But the clear memories of seduction in later childhood and adolescence that his patients had spontaneously reported to him and about which they had strong reality feelings, he never doubted - contrary to the assertions of critics like Masson and Miller, who claim Freud lost his courage and denied that any incest had actually taken place.(19) The particular theory of hysteria which he admitted "broke down under the weight of its own improbability" (20) was the infantile seduction theory and did not imply any doubting of his patients' memories of real incest..."<br><br><snip><br><br> "..In determining the actual incidence of childhood sexual abuse in modern societies, the main problem is that one must rely upon witnesses who have enormous emotional difficulties in reporting what they find - far more so than with any other psychohistorical subject I have encountered.<br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>For one thing, most writers on the subject have themselves usually been advocates of pedophilia. Ever since the early studies of such sexologists as Symonds and Eglinton,(37) most writing on incest has been by scholars hoping to justify sexual relations with children by showing how widespread the practice has been. Many openly state, as do Allen Edwardes and R. E. L. Masters, that "there is no shame in being a ... pederast or a rapist if one is satisfied," (38) or claim that incest can be a positive, healthy experience," as does social worker LeRoy Schultz, who writes extensively on childhood sexuality.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> (39) Even Kinsey wrote: "It is difficult to understand why a child, except for its cultural conditioning, should be disturbed at having its genitalia touched," (40) while his coauthor in the Kinsey studies, Wardell Pomeroy, wrote that "incest between adults and younger children can.. be a satisfying and enriching experience..."(41)<br><br> One must use the research of such scholars with extreme caution, since their main motive is to deny the coercion involved when adults seduce lonely, unloved children. Yet the task of digging through the truly staggering amount of literature on sexuality in past and present societies (42) (there are over sixty journals alone with regular articles on the subject) is so overwhelming that, in order to locate the rare primary sources that are available, the researcher cannot avoid consulting the life work of pedophilia advocats..."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=1tal>1 tal</A> at: 9/17/06 12:02 am<br></i>
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Re: The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby professorpan » Sun Sep 17, 2006 1:50 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>With regards to infant rape... any large metropolitan city ER experiences newborns comming in with ripped vaginas on a regular basis. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That sounds like an urban legend. Got references?<br><br>And what's with all the bashing of human beings as worthless, psychotic child-rapists? I think some of you folks need to take a break from the dark corners of the Net and go out and make some friends. <br><br>Most people are good. If you stop believing that, why care about what happens to them? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Child as Poison Container, from Psychohistory.com

Postby erosoplier » Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:59 am

I can dig the metaphor. My father wounded me, as I discovered later, just like he was wounded himself. And he did it precisely when my circumstances matched those of his original wounding - no coincidence. Someone unfairly crushed his exuberance when he was a child, so he did the same to me. How annoying.<br><br>I do worry about sexual trauma becoming the dominating issue in this area, because while it might be the most obvious, besides sheer brutality, if it hogs all of the limelight it doesn't allow for a balanced appreciation of a healthy child development paradigm. <br><br>I'm always interested in finding out what people think of James DeMeo's "Saharasia" thesis (summary here: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.orgonelab.org/saharasia_en.htm">www.orgonelab.org/saharasia_en.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ). DeMeo works in the shadow of Wilhelm Reich, and while some of his ideas are controversial, and in the wrong hands could be disasterous, they are thought provoking. (And in passing, I think his ideas are dangerous in his own hands - for one, he's written a fairly early essay on the pathology inherent in the psychology of the growing 9/11 doubters movement. Amazing how in less than 2 generations a blinded-by-the-right student can find himself totally devoted to former Communist Party member Wilhelm Reich).<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=erosoplier>erosoplier</A> at: 9/17/06 2:08 am<br></i>
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Re: Have you read any of Alice Miller's works?

Postby 1 tal » Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:14 pm

<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Do you have recommendations or links to articles for pedagogical upbringing that would innoculate children (and later as adults) from fascist tendencies or manipualtion?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br><br> At the request of <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rudolfsteinerweb.com/a/emil_molt.php">Emil Molt</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, Rudolf Steiner devoloped a pedagogy for the first Waldorf school which was the antithesis of the Prussian method of education. The Nazi's closed the schools saying:<br><br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> "According to its historical development, the Anthroposophical Society is internationally oriented and even today continues to maintain close contacts with foreign freemasons, Jews and pacifists. The methods of teaching developed by its founder, Steiner, and followed in the anthroposophical schools still existing today follow an individualistic and human-oriented education, which has nothing in common with principles of National Socialistic education.<br><br> "As a result of this opposition to the National Socialistic idea of Volk (Voelkische Gedanke), the continued activity of the Anthroposophical Society imposes the danger of injuring the National Socialistic State. The organization is therefore to be dissolved on account of its subversive character and the danger it poses to the public."(2) </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.waldorfanswers.org/AnthroposophyDuringNaziTimes.htm">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.waldorf.ca/index.cfm?PID=13324&PIDLIST=13324">Waldorf Education</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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poison container

Postby blanc » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:05 am

poison container idea as scapegoating of one or more individuals for the wrongs the perpetrator has himself suffered or committed has wide applications.<br><br>there has to be a perpetrator, in power - so should 'education' avoid as far as possible, fostering power over others? <p></p><i></i>
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