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Re: Paging HMW

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:55 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Surely, if you are so convinced that the film was a PSYOP, you should be willing to *test* the theory. . . right? You know, like fact checking and stuff?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Did it. You might be suffering short-term memory loss. lol.<br><br>Now I'm going to take you back in time, back in time...you're remembering the thread I posted all the evidence in...back we go...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Johnson Group</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Peter Schroeder</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->...you're remembering <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a CIA cut-out film company working for the White House and Pentagon and a German political strategist</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> behind the promotion of 'The Paperclip Project' being marketed to US school kids as a history lesson...remember?<br><br>Here. I'll help you-<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm27.showMessage?topicID=450.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=450.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/27/06 8:57 pm<br></i>
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Re: Pan's interrogatives

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:09 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I will ask you point-blank -- would you even consider contacting the teachers who started the Paper Clip Project to ask them if the official story is true -- that they came up with the idea themselves?<br><br>If they stood by the story, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>would you then call them liars because their statements don't fit into your keyword hijacking grand theory?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>False framing question, PP. That isn't logical.<br><br>If "they stood by their story," as you put it in your false framing, changes not one thing. <br><br>I have never questioned whether a teacher in a Tennessee middle school "really" started this because <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>IT IS IRRELEVANT.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>What do the teachers in Tennessee have to do with how the Johnson Group/Peter Schroeder-propelled 'project' becomes an internationally distributed film and DVD sitting like a little billboard in my Blockbuster Video store?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Nothing whatsoever. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Heck, I'd love to talk to the teacher who reportedly got fired up by a diversity conference and started teaching about the Holocaust to middle school kids. And the school principal, too.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Why did they think that a German political strategist named Peter Schroeder who does major damage control work for politicians (as he advertises on his own website) was working so hard to find and ship an authentic Nazi rail car from Europe all the way to their little school?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Yes, searched for, found, and shipped an authentic Nazi railroad car to a tiny middle school in Tennessee. This is...unusual attention for a few kids, to say the least. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>This is an international psycho-political event.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Don't you want to know why, PP?<br><br>I'd like to know how the Johnson Group and Peter Schroeder got wind of this or even could've sparked it in the first place for all we know. Did the teacher really initiate the kid's Paperclip Project?<br><br>Don't you want to know, PP?<br><br>I do remember when over at DemocraticUnderground about two years ago suddenly there were postings that we should all use paperclip avatars to show resistance to today's Nazis. And many people did. <br><br>Were those who participated psy-ops dupes helping to reinforce a way to hide US-Bush Nazi dealings from America's kids?<br><br>Was the attempted DU paperclip project part of the Johnson Group working a big online discussion board to cross-market this idea?<br><br>PP, wouldn't you like to know, too? <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/28/06 11:20 am<br></i>
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little Nazis

Postby wordspeak » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:13 pm

I don't see your logic here either, Hugh. <br>However, I disagree with ProfessorPan that just because the info on U.S. (really transnational capitalist) funding of the Nazis is relatively accessible people don't care about it... people just don't really know. The story definitely is being hidden. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: little Nazis

Postby Dreams End » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:15 pm

Hidden in plain sight, so to speak. There's a lot of noise on the internet, but you have to have some initial knowledge to go looking for that stuff. Which is why I say that keyword hijacking on the internet wouldn't work. Unless someone already knew the context of Paperclip as relating to Nazis they wouldn't look for it in the first place. Everyone is used to filtering their Google hits to find the things that are relevant.<br><br>The stuff about CIA and Google, should it be true, is more relevant. As I mentioned, I know a guy who works for companies wanting to increase their web presence. Give him money and voila, you are the number one hit for "toothpaste" on Google. Or whatever you sell. That is real, but how much that's being done, I don't know.<br><br>Ditto the firmer ground when looking at larger themes in films and television. NBC is owned by GE who sell weapons...just a golf game or cocktail party to make sure there's some good stuff on the network promoting militarism or whatever. <br><br>And I'm also sure there are lots of false internet sites out there that are sponsored by intel folks. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: little Nazis

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:41 pm

Pan's "ho-hum who cares?" dismissal of this is...bizarre...so I'm restating the truisms below for those three RI readers who might wonder if Nazis are anything anyone cares about. lol.<br><br>Seems to me that rather than being mainly about controlling search engines, this is about <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>injecting positive associations for 'paperclip' into kid's heads like an innoculating vaccine to counter any negative associations</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> just in case they learn on the internet that Wall Street financed Hitler and then used Nazis in the CIA for decades after.<br><br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">This is how infowar works, lobbing Units Of Meaning at Target Populations for a cumulative effect.</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><br>Hostile information can't usually be completely hidden although that is a goal. Instead, diluting it with other emotional associations is how 'haystacking the needle' works on the target population.<br>This is how intellectual/emotional thresholds of awareness are managed to get people to keep accepting the offered 'best of bad choices' based on their childhood indoctrination.<br><br>The military calls this goal "unit cohesion" and the same goal is desired in the civilian population since that is the pool for military-intelligence. Motivation is the governing force for behavior as the Powers That Be have learned the last 100 years.<br><br>Once predisposed as children to forgive America 'its faults' (genocide, mass murder, torture, looting, poisoning) , the stage is set for fascist complicity whether witting or not. A co-worker tells me "I don't know much but I know this is the best country regardless." Typical big foam finger-ism. We are number one rah.<br><br>For children to grow up to be recruitable they need to believe they are killing for democracy, freedom, and peace. <br><br>Finding out real history undermines this moral motivation pretty obviously. Hey, it's "hard work" selling atrocity as virtue but that's what media is for.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:16 pm

I can play the bold text game too; here's how your statement reads to me. I hope this will help you see why, from my perspective, the claim seems somewhat absurd:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Seems to me that rather than being mainly about controlling search engines, this is about <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>injecting positive associations for 'paperclip' into kid's heads</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> like an innoculating vaccine to counter any negative associations <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>just in case they learn on the internet that Wall Street financed Hitler</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and then used Nazis in the CIA for decades after.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:22 pm

Oh, and again, forget the cause; you have yet to show ANY evidence of the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>effect</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> you claim! As i demonstrated before this documentary's existance in NO WAY hinders internet research on Project Paperclip. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: another case...not KW Hijacking--or is it?

Postby pepsified thinker » Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:26 pm

I see this as related, but you all (in this thread) have been good at pointing out distinctions and such that make seemingly related items, not, in fact, related--so maybe this doesn't figure into a discussion on KW hijacking, but more of a general discussion of disinfo.<br><br>Whatever--<br><br>I have seen a documentary about native people in the rainforests of Peru whose lands were over significant oil reserves. The documentary was great for showing the way they'd been used/abused by BigOil companies---AND how missionaries had played a role in that process. It also showed how the native peoples were somewhat effective in resisting further exploitation. <br><br>Part of that documentary's story was how an initial group of missionaries--in the '40s or '50s?--had gone to the native people and their inept approach led to converting the native people led to a confrontation in which many of the missionaries were killed. (the fierceness of the natives then AND NOW was a basis for their effective resistance to BigOil--workers on oil rigs were killed by spears thrown from the jungle) <br><br>SO ANYWAY--<br><br>The other day, in the video store, I see a single case on a shelf (so not a big release, etc.) for a video that turns out to be about a missionary-son going back to the tribe who killed his missionary-father--in Peru--and though I didn't rent/watch it, judging from the description on the box, it was all about the son finally bringing the savage natives into some kind of acceptance of Christianity--and being forgiving and so on, about how they killed his father, and honoring his father's will/goal in so doing, and on and on. <br><br>I'm not sure I'm remembering it now, but I think it was distrbuted by some version of Fox--with a 'values' tag added to the Fox name. <br><br>Anyway--clearly a 'spin' on the original documentary's version of events. (BTW, the original documentary was not at all objective--if I was a conservative, I'd have been as bothered by it as I am about the pro-missionary version. ...But the documentary's version is the truer one. )<br><br>(but)...DOES THIS RELATE TO KW HIJACKING? --I haven't looked up the key words that could be involved, but someone making a movie closely related to the documentary--but telling an oppositely-aligned version of events--seems like a similar level of effort/planning (more even?) as that involed in setting up a few news stories and fanning attention towards them, in order to generate a fog around some keywords. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: another case...not KW Hijacking--or is it?

Postby Dreams End » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:33 pm

that's not keyword hijacking. hugh thinks that just the titles of these films are the issue, not the content. The title competes in consciousness with similar wording in the hopes of displacing it. <br><br>The larger idea of propaganda and disinformation is very real and has been around forever. In film, since "Birth of a Nation." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: little Nazis and White House speech writers

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:15 am

The reich-wing media actually skirted the repeated use of the keyword 'Eichmann' that was in Ward Churchill's essay about 9/11. Instead, they distorted his words to rail about "calling the WTC victims Nazis." (see below)<br><br>This was way to have their linguistic cake and eat it, too.<br>If someone at the office water cooler said, "Hey, did ya hear about Eichmann today?" then the response can be about 'that awful America-hating college lefty Ward Churchill applauding 9/11' and not about CIA protecting Nazi war criminals.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Divide and conquer applies to vocabulary, too. Give a word a split meaning and you've diminished the primary value.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>To show how effective the keyword hijacking was at making an emotionally-charged diversion as cover for CIA history with actual Eichmann staff, here's a very recent op-ed by a former White House speech writer named Paul Burgess who has used his professional skills to craft a pre-election hate rant in his local newspaper and specifically cites Ward Churchill's essay along with 'extremists' like Gold Star Mom Cindy Sheehan. <br><br>He also twists Churchill's words to mean all WTC victims and not just CIA ones from the 21st floor but he actually uses the relevant keywords in his venom-spitting hate-filled agit prop. Why? Because either he didn't know about the keyword hijacking OR it is long enough past the 2/4/06 CIA-Eichmann story to be safe to do so. I suspect he doesn't know about the KH as that disinfo isn't his venue. He just helped the p(resident) lie directly to us.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2006/102006/10282006/232595/index_html">www.fredericksburg.com/Ne...index_html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>PAUL BURGESS of Spotsylvania County was director of foreign-policy speechwriting at the White House from October 2003 to July 2005.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Friends, neighbors, and countrymen of the Left: I hate your lying guts</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> Date published: 10/28/2006<br><br>WHEN I WAS speechwrit- ing at the White House, one rule was enforced without exception. The president would not be given drafts that lowered him or The Office by responding to the articulations of hatred that drove so many of his critics.<br><br>This rule was especially relevant to remarks that concerned the central topic of our times, Iraq. Having left the White House more than a year ago, I conclude that the immunizing effect of that rule must have expired, because I now find that I am infected with a hatred for the very quarter that inspired the rule--the deranged, lying left.<br><br>I never used to feel hatred for people such as Cindy Sheehan, Harry Belafonte, Danny Glover, or other pop-culture notables who, for example, sing the praises of Central American dictators while calling President Bush the greatest terrorist on earth. I do now.<br><br>And though these figures might be dismissed as inconsequential, their views seem mild compared with those of some of our university professors charged with the "higher" education of our youth.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Thus have I come to hate Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor who called the Sept. 11 victims of the World Trade Center "little Eichmanns";</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Nicholas De Genova, the Columbia professor who loudly wished "a million Mogadishus" on American troops in Iraq; and Kevin Barrett, the University of Wisconsin professor who teaches his students that President Bush was the actual mastermind behind the Sept. 11 attacks.<br><br>I used to laugh these people off. Now I detest them as among the most loathsome people America has ever vomited up.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That's some powerful hating, folks. <br>Straight from a Bush White House speech writer. God Bless. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/31/06 12:51 am<br></i>
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Re: little Nazis and White House speech writers

Postby NavnDansk » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:32 am

In the long, sad article on the death of Jon Benet Ramsey, The Konformist has a section on the tabloids and how the titles, which everyone who shops sees and takes in consciously or not is a long-runnin psyop by the CIA, it is very convincing. <p></p><i></i>
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Digital Insurgents

Postby Trifecta » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:32 am

The meme spreaders have the most enviable teams of digital insurgents, using blogs, forums, news groups to spread the viral branding of the perpscpective they wish the knee jerk thinkers to verbatim to anyone who cares to join the herd.<br><br>As a marketeer (not agent lol) we use similar tactics to push the products and pull the wool over the eyes of the consuming depressives, keyword jacking is used to paint positive and negative emotions and coupled with the googling bombs creates ten fold increases in revenue and a nice fat bonus for the meme pushers.<br><br>Ri'ers do it in the reverse...similar tactics tho <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8o --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Paging HMW

Postby professorpan » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:57 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Now I'm going to take you back in time, back in time...you're remembering the thread I posted all the evidence in...back we go...Johnson Group...Peter Schroeder...you're remembering a CIA cut-out film company working for the White House and Pentagon and a German political strategist behind the promotion of 'The Paperclip Project' being marketed to US school kids as a history lesson...remember?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>"CIA cut-out film company"<br><br>Pure speculation, Hugh. Just because a film company produces right-leaning films doesn't make them a "CIA cut-out." You may suspect that is true, but stating it as fact is not honest. You don't know that it is a fact -- you should stop hammering it as fact.<br><br>"German political strategist "<br><br>Oh, yeah, those evil Germans -- Nazis all of 'em.<br><br>"'The Paperclip Project' being marketed to US school kids as a history lesson"<br><br>It is, in many ways, a history lesson. A way for kids to connect, on a visceral level, to the human beings victimized by the Nazis.<br><br>A project started by some teachers, and picked up and made into a film.<br><br>I suggest people go back to the thread you pointed to. I've refuted your theory -- beaten it into the ground, actually. I have no desire, or the energy, to repeat myself.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Pan's distortions

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:14 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Pure speculation, Hugh. Just because a film company produces right-leaning films doesn't make them a "CIA cut-out."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Johnson Group has worked with the White House producing public propaganda events for about 20 years (back to the Reagan cabal) and makes Pentagon recruiting films.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>See for yourself-<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thejgroup.com/">www.thejgroup.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>There are some films about AIDS, people with disabilities, mental health, and domestic violence. All community-minded topics.<br><br>But there is also promotion of 'foreign violence,' that is, war.<br>So The Johnson Group is two-faced just like The Rendon Group.<br>Warm fuzzy stuff covers for the bloody stuff. Typical CIA cut-out.<br><br>If you really think that's "right-leaning" and not CIA cut-out, I suppose you're still waiting to see if tobacco really is addictive and global warming is real.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"German political strategist "<br><br>Oh, yeah, those evil Germans -- Nazis all of 'em.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Gee, you can't read Schroeder's own website? I posted it for you.<br><br>So since you're implying that I'm perhaps anti-German and simplistic about guilt-by-association I'm crossposting my reply from the thread called 'Going Hollywood' which has a msm article about the CIA cross-marketing using movies, video games, TV, comic books, etc. --<br>**************************<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm27.showMessage?topicID=450.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=450.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Decoy film hides US-Nazi connection from US school kids. <br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>This movie is a decoy being given to America's kids by a CIA cut-out film company to hide the US-Nazi connection exemplified by the grandfather of George W. Bush, Prescott Bush who was found to be aiding the enemy in 1942. Even John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles were funneling big corporate money to build the Nazi Party in the 1920s and 1930s.<br><br>The mastermind behind this whitewash of US-Nazi history is a German public relations consultant named Peter Schroeder who is an international Karl Rove-type-<br>www.polcon.de/en/peterschroeder.htm<br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> 1971- 1978 General secretary of the federal state organisation of the liberal Free Democratic Party (F.D.P.) in Schleswig Holstein<br><br> 1978 - 1982 Head of "Department for communications and elections" in the headquarter of the party and at the same time head of "Department for training and programmes" in the Friedrich-Naumann-Foundation.<br> 1982 - 1987 Director of the advertising agency for social marketing (BOSS).<br><br> Since 1987 Director of the "Institute for communication researches" and lecturer for political sciences at the "Cologne School for Politics and economy" in Cologne.<br><br> Other assignments since 1987 as freelance consultant:<br> Planning for political strategies, consulting in political communications, training adult educators and managers.<br><br> Consultation for parties, politicians, non-governmental-organisations, governments, local authorities in strategies for elections, conflict management and negotiations and projects of decentralisation, deregulation, new public management.<br><br> Consultations in more than 60 countries in all parts of the world.<br> ....<br> Planning of strategies for policies, business and personal career.<br><br> With our special strategy-planning instrument for political, business and interpersonal acitivities we are successful in implementing difficult policies as privatization, participation, creating new levels of administration, deregulation, decentralization, fighting corruption and fundamentalism as well as winning elections, stabilizing governments and making opposition more effective.<br> The instrument is also effective in planning market-strategies for companies to enlarge the market share or to stabilize the market. Even for the preparation of career planning and interaction with other persons this flexible instrument, which has been influenced by different cultural areas and personalities (von Clausewitz, Macchiavelli, Kautilya, Sun Tzu), is suitable.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br>Yes, Macchiavelli can plan your propaganda, too! For $1000 a day plus expenses.<br><br>Schroeder was instrumental in getting this decoy project off the ground going so far as to come up with an authentic Nazi railroad car to be flown to the tiny town in Tennessee where a middle school project on tolerance was germinating, pun intended.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonian.com/people/03/paperclips.html">www.washingtonian.com/peo...clips.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> The project might have died, too, were it not for Lena Gitter, a Washington Holocaust survivor, and her friends Peter Schroeder, 61, and Dagmar Schroeder-Hildebrand, 60, journalists who cover the White House for a German-language newspaper group.<br><br> The Schroeders have lived in Washington for 23 years, mostly covering US politics. They often have written about the Holocaust.<br><br> “We are the last generation who will know this,” Dagmar says. “We have a certain responsibility as Germans.”<br><br> When the Schroeders moved to Washington in 1980, Dagmar met Lena Gitter through the local German club. Peter was so intrigued by her life that he wrote a book about her.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Peter Schroeder isn't exactly "a journalist."<br>He is a political consultant and propagandist.<br><br>********************************<br><br>So is Schroeder a "strategist" as his own website declares or a "journalist" as the decoy film's website and Operation Mockingbird CIA media claim?<br><br>If you're going to reply with another Dr. Seuss tale, do remember Dr. Seuss's propaganda work selling WWII and racism against Japanese-Americans, won't you? Thanks.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/Frame.htm">orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll.../Frame.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/pm/1942/20213cs.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 10/31/06 3:17 pm<br></i>
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Re: Pan's distortions

Postby professorpan » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:42 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Typical CIA cut-out.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>In YOUR MIND. An accusation with nothing to back it up -- no proof. A film production company can have a right-wing slant and not be a tool of the CIA.<br><br>And even if the Johnson Group <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>is</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> CIA -- and without any proof, I can't make that assumption -- that still does nothing to suggest that your keyword hijacking theory is legitimate. <br><br>Your continuing inability and unwillingness to examine your theories critically is damning you, Hugh. If you can't learn to question your beliefs objectively and listen to others who present honest objections, you will continue barking up the wrong tree.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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