Johnny Gosch update

by **stackdag** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:19 am

From johnny gosch.com September 13, 2006 "The West Des Moines Police released a statement, indicating that they received an anonymous note saying " there was an investigator in Florida who had investigated and identified the boys in the recent photo, which they appeared bound and gagged in 1979". They also stated this photo had been on the internet since 1979. Unfortunately, this press release caused a media storm and much confusion because they neglected to also mention that the detective only saw the photo of the "THREE BOYS ON THE BED". At no time had he ever seen the photo of Johnny Gosch ... the black/white photo below. We also know that the internet as we know it ..... did not exist in 1979. We want to let people know so this will answer the questions you all must have in your minds by now. This press release was issued incorrectly and prematurely by the West Des Moines Police. Thank you..... The Johnny Gosch Foundation" Also, I believe this Nelson Zalva in Florida should be under obligation to prove to Noreen what he's saying is true by showing some sort of official documentation on this. Ironic that this guy Nelson Zalva is from Florida where the "Finders" case broke. Might be time to research this Nelson Zalva. Also on a side note and somewhat related... <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6591104160009601496">video.google.com/videopla...0009601496</a> notice this cnn video on loose change, none other than Bob Kerry is debunking the 911 theories, The same Bob Kerry I believe who was named as being involved in the Franklin Cover up. A television station alleged that DeCamp was lying about Kerry after the book was published, so DeCamp sued them and won for libel, which again vindicates DeCamp as having told the truth about alleged pervert Kerry. It sickens me to think a guy like Kerry is sitting there debunking these 911 theories, whether they're true or not. Gives a different pespective on the situation. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stackdag@rigorousintuition>stackdag</A> at: 9/14/06 1:53 am

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:26 am

Thanks stackdag, you just beat me to it. FWIW, I was sent a larger copy of the photo of an alleged perp that was posted a few days ago on <a href="http://johnnygosch.com/">johnnygosch.com/</a>. It's captioned on the site: "This photo was sent to us ... explaining it was one of the "perps" who had molested my son and others. We gave it to the police and the Missing Children's Center. They told us the man is "dead and there is a device around his neck called a ligature". They are currently investigating to also learn the identity of this man. Again, if anyone viewing my website knows who this man might be.... please contact me below." <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/perp.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:46 am

If the three boys pic is from the seventies, it is more frightening. Look at the pics. The boys are tied in the exact same way as the boy in the black and white photo. Same abductor. And how sad is it that, allegedly, the records of three boys evidently abducted in rapid succession are so hard to find. Would this not have been a prominent case?

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:15 am

The cops release a statement on an anymous, unproven tip? Premature ejaculation.

by **Dreams End** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:30 am

Was it already understood by the rest of you that the idea that this perp has a ligature around his neck brings us back to the JonBenet case? Maybe a coincidence, of course, but could also be a particular shared technique or something.

by **FourthBase** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:48 am

So now "pcarpent" is back posting on Websleuths, and apparently complained to the Websleuths staff that I outed him as Harrold/Gaison/gaia. BTW, I let it go before, but...Roy's claim that he and "Gaison" were raped together is absolute horseshit. He just hadn't realized that he'd posted the same story under both names. This guy is a fucking liar and I still get perp vibes. Not in a Stockholm Syndrome way, either. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 9/14/06 2:59 am

by **FourthBase** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:21 am

<a href="http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/9840293/detail.html">www.kfoxtv.com/news/9840293/detail.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hoax Worry In Photo Of Child Missing Since '82 POSTED: 11:10 am MDT September 13, 2006 UPDATED: 11:41 am MDT September 13, 2006 WEST DES MOINES, Iowa -- West Des Moines police said that if two photos of boys tied up and gagged are not of Johnny Gosch, then someone is playing a "horrible prank'' on his mother. Gosch was 12 when he disappeared in 1982 from his West Des Moines neighborhood while delivering the Sunday newspaper. Police are investigating a lead out of Florida that the pictures recently delivered to his mother's front door date back to the 1970s. A retired investigator from the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office in Tampa said the photos of boys tied up and gagged are not Gosch. The sheriff's office is now going through every roll of microfilm in its archives to find the police report, which has the photos attached. West Des Moines police Lt. Jeff Miller said the investigation is continuing to look into who dropped the photos off at Noreen Gosch's house. KCCI-TV put in a call to her and hopes to hear from her later Wednesday. Nelson Zalva, a retired police detective in Tampa, Fla., who now works for the Florida state attorney, told KCCI-TV that he believes these are pictures from a case he worked on in the late 1970s, several years before Gosch disappeared. He said at the time, police tracked down and identified all three boys and the man who took the pictures. Zalva said the boys posed voluntarily and police did not file charges. He does not believe these three boys have anything to do with the case.<hr></blockquote> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Officer: Gosch photos may be 'horrible prank' 3:10 PM DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- The photos of bound and gagged boys that were sent to an Iowa woman whose son disappeared 24 years ago were investigated in the late 1970s and are not her missing son, a retired Florida sheriff's investigators said Wednesday. Nelson Zalva, who now works for the Hillsborough County, Fla., State Attorney's Office, said he investigated the same photos while working for the county's sheriff in 1978 or 1979. "I remember this case," he said. "I identified the kids portrayed in the photos. It was definitely investigated by me several years prior to the disappearance of Johnny Gosch." The photos were in an envelope left at the West Des Moines home of Johnny's mother, Noreen Gosch, on Aug. 27. One photo, in black and white, shows a boy bound and gagged on a bed. Another is a color photo of the same boy in a similar pose with two others boys. Noreen Gosch turned the photos over to police, who have been investigating the authenticity of the photos and any connection to her son. Johnny was 12 when he disappeared from his neighborhood before daybreak on Sept. 5, 1982. His photo was one of the first of a missing child to be put on a milk carton. Police have said they believe he was abducted but they have few clues. Zalva said his investigation never resulted in an arrest because the children in the photos never admitted that the suspect touched them inappropriately. He said the boys in the photos had voluntarily posed for the photos, but he couldn't recall why. "Basically, what happened is someone, maybe it was one of the parents, found the photos and called the sheriff's office and deputies went out there, impounded the photos and the case was assigned to me for investigation," Zalva said. "I worked a long time on it, getting the kids identified." Lt. Jeff Miller, a West Des Moines Police spokesman, said the investigation is continuing into who left the photos at Noreen Gosch's house. "If they are not of Johnny Gosch, someone is playing a horrible prank," he said. Miller said Gosch has been informed of the Florida investigation. A telephone message left Wednesday morning for Gosch was not immediately returned.<hr></blockquote> - Those kids don't look like they're posing voluntarily. - He worked on it a long time but doesn't remember who found the pictures? - Florida state attorney office...yeah. I have a feeling Zalva's claims will never be verified.

by **sunny** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:12 am

Well, who were the identified children? Johnny's mother, at least, deserves to know. If the photos were impounded, how did Noreen get them? If they are attached to the supposed report, where is the report, and who in the sheriffs office took them and handed them over to Noreen, and why, if the report says they were some other children? Didn't he or she read the attached "report"? Underage children do not pose voluntarily for photos such as these. Even if the kids thought they were doing it willingly I, for one, would not stand for someone taking such pictures of my kids. The mother was disturbed enough to turn them over to law enforcement, so why wasn't the photographer prosecuted? This all supposes the story from Zalva is true, and I don't think it is. Why is this man providing cover? Just who is he, and what other child abduction cases has he been involved in? He needs to answer some tough questions from someone.

by **FourthBase** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:06 am

Yup. If they've been investigated before, how did they find their way out of police custody, out of whatever evidence vault or file cabinet they've presumably been locked inside for years? I think Zalva just made these photos a lose-lose proposition for anyone trying to "debunk" the Gosch case.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:23 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>This guy is a fucking liar and I still get perp vibes.<hr></blockquote> Has he even posted here again after what I said yesterday? I was really hoping to hear from him about that.. You and I are on the same page here totally. Some are Born Bad, but a few are just made that way.. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:28 pm

I think you're making too much of Zalva's involvement. You have to remember that cops investigate thousands and thousands of cases. And this, he believes, was nearly 30 years ago, for pete's sake, and only a nuisance case in the end. Well, maybe it was more than that, but that's what he concluded, so that's how it got filed in his memory It's not going to stick in his mind like say a murder. I'n not saying that, if these pics ARE from Florida, that there isn't something suspicious about the pics showing up in Iowa, just that I recommend not jumping on the cop right out of the chute. What I find suspicious is the "anonymous" tip. Also, the Zalva case could possibly still have some connections to the Gosh case. Sorry, I've don't buy that the pics could not have been staged. BTW, as an aside on those gags. Did it ever look to any of you that he gags didn't look "gaggy" enough, not substantial enough to prevent noise? Something's tickling at the back of MY memory. Didn't Noreen describe a visit from somebody who claimed to be CIA or something at some point in all this time? Not her son. A guy who was later arrested? Was he arrested in Florida? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 9/14/06 10:34 am

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:31 pm

"...This photo was sent to us ... explaining it was one of the "perps" who had molested my son and others. We gave it to the police and the Missing Children's Center. They told us the man is "dead and there is a device around his neck called a ligature". They are currently investigating to also learn the identity of this man..." How the heck can they determine that the guy in the pic above is dead if they don't know the subject of the pic? He looks like he is smirking, to me

by **FourthBase** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:41 pm

On Noreen's site there's a YouTube clip of a local news story. It shows what look like copies of the pics. And there's more info about how the alleged dead man's pic arrived.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:20 pm

<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/JeffWells/subalbum1/perp.jpg" style="border:0;"/> I laughed at the police assertion of this person being dead for the first minute or so that I looked at this pic, but after really staring at it some, I'm not so sure. If you follow the angle of his bicep, it appears to be possible his arm is behind his back, as in bound. There is a ligature mark as well, from what I can see. His head is also in the right angle of someone who might have been hung, specifically auto-eroticised. That 'smirk' on his face could be a post-mortem signature of an auto-erotic's last experience, which is usually orgasm.. What a perfect way to suicide someone..'Auto Eroticism' is probably in the revised Assassination Manuals right next to the 'Suicide Jump'.. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **chiggerbit** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:20 pm

Some weird bits in this interview: <a href="http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm">www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm</a>

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