Johnny Gosch update

by **sunny** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 12:58 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Corbin said Thursday he has been in contact over the past two years with a man who claims to have been another child kidnapping victim who broke away from a child-sex ring with Gosch. He said the man said his name is Jimmy Gibson and has told him he wants to speak publicly soon about their kidnappings after hiding out for years from abductors.<hr></blockquote> ************************ (via chiggerbit, page 2-<a href="http://www.ctrl.org/silence/memo.html)">www.ctrl.org/silence/memo.html)</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Q. And if you know, do you know if in fact some children came forward with that particular brand and contacted America's Most Wanted? A. Yes. About a month and a half after that show aired I received a letter from a young man that said his name was Jimmy and he related in his letter similar experience of everything that Paul went through. And he continued to write to me. I had no way of contacting him. But in my, finally he called me on the telephone and I said, can we meet somewhere, would you come to Des Moines? III meet you somewhere else if you feel safer. And that went on for about two months. And then in the middle of the night one night the phone rang. And there was a blizzard going on, it was very cold and snowing. And this voice said, well, I'm here. And I said, who's here? He said, it's Jimmy and I'm in Osceola, come in on the train. That's where our nearest train station is. And he said on the way here someone stole my coat. So I went down to the storage room and I got some warm clothes and I got in the car and I drove to Osceola in the middle of the night to meet Jimmy. And we sat until dawn in a little restaurant that stayed open all night. That's when he poured out his whole story of what had happened to him. He had knowledge of Johnny. And the activities that the boys were all involved in. That corresponded to what Paul had said but it picked up the years; that Paul was in prison and went up to present day. Q. And is it not true that he had the brand? A. Jimmy had the brand on the calf of his leg. Q. And is it not true that you had America's Most Wanted film that? A. Yes. America's Most Wanted interviewed and filmed the brand on Jimmy. His face was blocked out because he was terrified of having his face shown in the country. Then - Q. And is it not true that they in fact had a doctor examine him to verify this occurred years before and not put on recently? A. Yes. That was one thing that's determined, that it was an old brand that had been there for a long, long time, that it was not a new brand that he applied just to come in and fake a story. One thing I'd like to mention if I may, during Jimmy's story, he told me that Johnny and several other kids had broken away from the main group that had been using them and abusing them. That they had stolen a car in which they traveled to get away. And Jimmy took them to his father's home. And his father did not know they were in the basement. And Jimmy was bringing food down to them. And one night Jimmy's father noticed a lot of food was missing out of the refrigerator so he followed his son to the basement and found my son and two other boys in the basement. He still did not know names. And so Jimmy gave me his father's phone number. And his name is Richard Gibson in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. And I called him. He's an accountant, a CPA, very nice man. He told me that he gave shelter and food and warm clothes to my son for a period of three days. And then the boys moved on. And it was later when he saw another rebroadcast of the America's Most Wanted that he realized that the boy, one of the boys in his basement was in fact my son.<hr></blockquote> For that Son of Gaia fellow, read the transcript posted at the link. Bonacci was forced to take part in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. Also, I cannot see the second picture, only a place holder.

by **NewKid** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:00 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>She also said this DE.<hr></blockquote> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I wonder if she attended the conference a few weeks ago, pretty accurate description.<hr></blockquote> I'm a little confused too. I thought Kris Millegan was a "he"? Aren't we talking about this dude? <img src="http://www.crosswynd.com/milleganweb.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

by **Avalon** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:06 am

The "self-publishing companies " idea is usually referred to in the publishing world as "Print on Demand" (POD). There are even starting to be kiosks in bookshops which will print out the manuscript. Writing the book, editing, proofing, laying out, and such would take time (the same for an ebook as a POD), and of course figuring out when to stop and close the submission of any more material would all be part of figuring out how long it would take to get out and be available to the public.

by **Project Willow** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:06 am

Sorry I didn't elaborate. There are people who have been killed trying to get this story out. If you just publish it on the web it's going to go nowhere, it would probably be labeled as yet another wacko conspiracy site. The authorities won't do anything. I don't know specifically why Trine is asking for funds, but I would guess it would be to finance an end run around all potential gate keepers. I personally think that's a worthy consideration. I don't think it's a terrible hijack of this thread to posit the question, given the potential lethal consequences of going too far with this material and the status of the media in this country, how could we effectively get this story out?

by **Project Willow** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:12 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I thought Kris Millegan was a "he"? Aren't we talking about this dude?<hr></blockquote> I did't know the person, I just made an assumption based upon the name.

by **Dreams End** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:22 am

Kris could be he or she...the most recent Kris I knew was a she so it stuck in my mind. I don't know how a book would be any less dangerous than a website. I certainly wouldn' t just write them a check...especially after the Peter "I'm not Simon" Levenda incident. (long story if you don't know it). Books get dismissed just as easily as websites as being by conspiracy nuts. None of this really makes me "write off Trine, (in fact, it's really $$$ issues that kept me from getting volumes 2 and 3 in the Levenda series, but I still think he's a bit dishonest) but I think it just really looked bad...to start asking for donations right when this breaks. Anyway, thanks for the brand stuff. My "rational mind" can't find a way to wiggle out of this one...it just seems very, very real. The little details like the brand...too consistent. And following on the heels of Karr. Yeah, the JBR thing was a distraction...but it was also quite possibly two cases of exactly the same thing...high level pedo rings with political implications. Somebody cleaning house?

by **sunny** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:29 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>And following on the heels of Karr. Yeah, the JBR thing was a distraction...but it was also quite possibly two cases of exactly the same thing...high level pedo rings with political implications. Somebody cleaning house?<hr></blockquote> Exactly so. Fits right in the pattern Jeff was writing about, altho I doubt they are cleaning house, just rearranging the furniture. Also, I remember that during the Gannon/Gosch imbroglio last year (which led me here) I remember reading that Rusty Nelson was arrested-in addition to HST being suicided, and, I think Troy Boner was killed. Does anyone have a link or info on Nelson? Has Bonacci in fact disappeared? Got a link to that info?

by **NewKid** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:31 am

I really haven't followed the ins and outs of this much, certainly not before Jeff Gannon appeared on the scene at least. Now I understand the difficulties in proving what happened to Gosch and getting irrefutable evidence of what's going on with this whole Franklin case, but I don't understand why we don't nail down the details that we can about this stuff. I remember the very bizarre episodes of Bo Dietl and Lisa Daniels' short lived MSNBC show where they took on the "is Gannon actually Gosch?" question and had Noreen and the PI on, and then they had Gannon on the next episode. As I recall, Gannon actually said he would take a DNA test and Dietl said he would follow up with a lab and all. Of course, the show was soon canceled and there was no follow-up really, at least that I know of. This whole story has become a sort of legendary internet soap opera that nobody can seem to really get their hands around. But in this instance we have something that we should be able to pin down decisively. Has any of these internet investigators who've been spending all this time on this gone to Guckert's grade school, his junior high, and high school and interviewed teachers, looked at the actual physical yearbooks in the alumni archives, talked to friends, his putative parents, or even looked at his birth certificate at the county clerk's office where he was supposedly born? Why isn't Gannon/Guckert hounded endlessly until he takes the damn DNA test, if he hasn't yet? It's like the "were the calls faked" debate on the 9-11 passengers, start with looking at the freakin' phone records and credit card records before you carry on about what did or didn't happen. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 9/1/06 11:52 pm

by **Dreams End** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:47 am

interview with Rusty Nelson <a href="http://www.solutionassoc.com/TruthFire/blog/2005/04/rusty-nelson-interview-this-one-may-be.html">www.solutionassoc.com/TruthFire/blog/2005/04/rusty-nelson-interview-this-one-may-be.html</a> I haven't listened yet. This article was published in April of last year. Don't know when the interview happened. Troy Boner died under mysterious circumstances (but only source is DeCamp and Gunderson) and his brother had died under mysterious circumstances before that. Kinda vague...something about Russian Roullette. here's one snippet: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>“DeCamp’s 2005 edition incredibly reveals, “In late 2003 [just before the 2004 election campaign started to heat up], Troy Boner [key abused child witness to national sex-ring] walked into a hospital in New Mexico screaming “they’re after me, they’re after me because of this book.” The book Boner was waving was The Franklin Cover-up. Boner was ’...mildly sedated and calmed down…and put in a private room for observation.’ ” “When nurses came back to check on him early next morning, Boner was sitting in a chair, bleeding from the mouth and quite dead. Former FBI Los Angeles Bureau Chief Ted Gunderson tried to get autopsy and other information and details that were promised him on Boner’s death, but Gunderson and apparently every other entity, were totally shut out of all information. No news stories were published on Boner’s death despite his “notoriety” in the Franklin case.” (John DeCamp, The Franklin Cover-up) Another witness was gone…<hr></blockquote> —<a href="http://cortez.gnn.tv/blogs/4714/The_Franklin_Cover_up_2005">cortez.gnn.tv/blogs/4714/The_Franklin_Cover_up_2005</a>

by **sunny** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:57 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Has any of these internet investigators who've been spending all this time on this gone to Guckert's grade school, his junior high, and high school and interviewed teachers, looked at the actual physical yearbooks in the alumni archives, talked to friends, his putative parents, or even looked at his birth certificate at the county clerk's office where he was supposedly born?<hr></blockquote> Seems someone, somewhere, found yearbook photos and posted them, but damned if I can find them. Wouldn't mean a thing to me,tho, without some other background information, like, as you say, his birth certificate.

by **Dreams End** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:03 am

Actually, Newkid, someone did. But I can't remember who. It was a mainstream magazine...Harpers or something like that. It didn't put all the nails in the coffin but it did throw a lot of reasonable doubt on the thing. However, I think we were supposed to believe that. The "J.G." games have to be intentional and the Gannon thing got all this more into the public eye...it was a little obscure before. OH, here's the article I"m thinking of...it's on alternet...don't know if it originated with them. Snippet: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> To all appearances, JD Guckert had found a home. West Chester, Pa. straddles two worlds: on the westernmost edge of Philadelphia's suburban belt, it boasts a sizeable university and the studios of home-shopping giant QVC; on the threshold of the Brandywine Valley, it breathes the air of a historic territory of the American Revolution, still largely rural, a significant tourist destination. JD moved here in 1975, from his childhood home in northwestern Pennsylvania's Conneaut Lake, to attend West Chester College (now West Chester University), and once in the area he stuck. The roots he put down may not have been deep, but they certainly seemed lasting. Graduating in 1980 with a social sciences degree and a Pennsylvania teaching certificate, JD began an aimless, two-decade course through a succession of decent but small-time jobs, a course that seems to have moved him no farther afield than the regional center of Wilmington, DE, at the southern end of the Brandywine Valley, where he soon settled in to live. He worked as a landscaper; he claimed to have taught high school for a time. Most of his working life was spent managing operations in a couple of liquor distributorships in the region. Recollections of JD are uniformly positive, but colorless: he is polite, affable, well-spoken, a good employee. He was out enough, at least on one side of his life, to play for a bar-sponsored team in a gay Philadelphia softball league; he was closeted enough, on another, to be seen occasionally bringing a girl with him to office parties. He was quiet, though not apparently close-mouthed or secretive, and did not discuss his personal life with his fellow workers. In a mission statement published on Guckert's Conservative Guy web site in 2002, he tells us that: "[W]hen I meet people, and the conversation turns to politics, as it always seems to with me, some of them sheepishly confess that they are Republicans or that they agree with the opinions I have just spoken." But no one who has talked to us so far can remember a political opinion expressed by JD, nor for that matter any statement of religious belief. "I can't recall any mention of [his] being very involved with conservative or Republican political groups," says a younger fraternity brother, who "found it a bit strange" later on to see his friend "shilling" in the White House briefing room. In fact, his fraternity, Tau Kappa Epsilon -- "my guys," he calls them on his infamous AOL profile page -- seems to have been, along with the Boy Scouts, one of the few public causes to evoke passion in JD. When his old Mu Alpha chapter resurrected itself in 1996, seven years after losing its charter, JD took a lead role, donating money and serving as an alumni advisor and a member of the chapter's board. But by that point, JD's outlook on life in the Valley may have begun to sour. In late 1997 he came to work for Viva Vino, an Eddytown, Pa. wine importer, telling his new boss Levino Razzi that he had sold off a small distributing business of his own. Razzi had the impression that the business had imploded and that JD was at loose ends. He already had a substantial tax judgement against him, issued in Delaware the previous year, and in 1999 he would be named in a lawsuit (with a company called Diamond State Distributors) over a two-year old automobile accident. When he left Viva Vino that same year for the job at Karmak, he told Levino Razzi that he was tired of doing office work and wanted a change: the change was that he was doing office work, but now for an old friend from his landscaping days who had gone farther than he, and was successfully running his own start-up business. Was JD, who turned forty in 1997, beginning to feel hemmed in? What makes the idea seem plausible is the intersection of JD's history with the career of his gay escort persona, Bulldog.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://alternet.org/story/21829/">alternet.org/story/21829/</a> May not be Gosch, but sure seems like a "Candy Jones" type...two fairly distinct "personas" etc.

by **NewKid** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:05 am

Yeah, I've seen some of them. But you're right, with photoshop and stuff, they don't really mean a whole lot. Here's Wikipedia on it: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In 2005, Gosch was the subject of a conspiracy theory centering around conservative journalist Jeff Gannon. In the 1990's, Gannon ran a homosexual escort service under his real name, James Guckert. Gannon/Guckert's escort service reportedly serviced Washington, D.C. political clients, and paid visits to the White House. The first public speculation linking the two cases occurred on February 26, 2005, on The Democratic Underground, a liberal political website. Skeptics of the Gannon connection point out that no DNA evidence has ever been tendered, the ages of Gosch and Gannon do not match, nor do they resemble one another. Gannon himself does not lend any credence to the theory and flatly denies that he is Johnny Gosch. Conspiracy theorists counter that Gannon may be unaware he is Gosch, all memory of his past life perhaps obliterated by MK-Ultra, Project Monarch, or complicity with the conspiracy. On July 8, 2005 Jeff Gannon called into the radio program A Closer Look hosted by Michael Corbin and agreed to take a DNA test to prove he was not the missing boy. As of June 2006 Gannon has not taken the test even though the offer remains open with Johnny's mom Noreen Gosch though she has never stated that she thinks Gannon looks like her son. [1] On May 10, 2006 occult author William H. Kennedy was a guest on A Closer Look and renewed the offer for Gannon to take the DNA test with Norren Gosch.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch" target="top">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch</a>

by **FourthBase** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:14 am

Gannon is absolutely not Gosch. Let's focus on these pictures...please?

by **NewKid** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:17 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>May not be Gosch, but sure seems like a "Candy Jones" type...two fairly distinct "personas" etc. <hr></blockquote> Yeah, he sure does. I think he may have seen that article before, but I'd forgotten about it. Would be nice to be 100% sure we're talking about the same guy here, but the article seems reasonably persuasive that somebody looking a lot like our man Gannon was in high school in 1980 under the name JD. But that one picture of Gosch as kid (strangely not some of the others of him though) looks like it fits current Gannon's face pretty well. Who the hell thought this story up if it's really not him? Makes you wonder . . .

by **NewKid** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:20 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Let's focus on these pictures...please?<hr></blockquote> Ahem, some of us can only see "picture" singular.

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