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Re: What do this of this

Postby sunny » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:21 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Gannon is absolutely not Gosch.<br>Let's focus on these pictures...please?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Mea culpa.<br><br>I just wish I could view the b/w photo. Does the child who is supposed to be Johnny have the large birthmark on his chest that Noreen describes? He <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>is</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> without his shirt in the pic, correct? Or am I wrong about that? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby FourthBase » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:29 am

Can't see most of his chest.<br>Is it supposed to be on the front, side?<br><br>I saved the b/w pic, but I'd rather not upload it to my photobucket account. I think Jeff might not be as reluctant, so maybe he could upload whatever he saved to an image database and post them here? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby Sweejak » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:36 am

Their server was down:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The website was taken down for 36 hours due to high-traffic volume. That is now taken care of<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.johnnygosch.com/">www.johnnygosch.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Story is on CNN

Postby JD » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:54 am

As per speculation the story would not be past the internet or the local news it is currently on CNN's website.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/01/missing.boy.photos.ap/index.html" target="top">www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/01/missing.boy.photos.ap/index.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Mom gets photos of son missing for 24 years<br>POSTED: 10:13 p.m. EDT, September 1, 2006 <br>Adjust font size:<br>DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.<br><br>The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweat pants Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the morning of September 5, 1982, his mother said.<br><br>"It's like reliving it," Noreen Gosch told The Associated Press on Thursday night. "But the bigger picture is, 'Why are they doing this?'<br><br>"Whoever had these photos had them for 24 years. I don't understand why they would do this now. It must be some kind of message."<br><br>Gosch said investigators confirmed the photos were authentic and likely taken within "hours or days" of the abduction. She said they were checking for fingerprints that could lead them to the source and possibly a breakthrough in a case that has long baffled authorities. The other boys in the photo were unidentified.<br><br>The photos were given to the state Division of Criminal Investigation's computer crime task force, West Des Moines police Lt. Jeff Miller said. He said police have not positively identified the boy in the photos as Johnny Gosch.<br><br>Johnny's disappearance triggered nationwide fears of child abductions. He was one of the first faces of missing or abducted children to appear on milk cartons across the country.<br><br>Several theories have developed since he vanished before dawn while delivering Sunday newspapers. His newspaper wagon was discovered near his West Des Moines home, but few substantial clues have surfaced since then.<br><br>Gosch believes her son was taken by child pornographers. She told authorities he briefly contacted her in 1997 but feared for his life and declined to give details about where he was. She believes his abductors got him involved in crimes, which is why he is hiding his identity.<br><br>The National Center for Missing Children is examining the other boys in the photograph and trying to match it with its database of missing children.<br><br>"These kids have parents someplace," Gosch said. "I'm sure they feel the same way I did. ... Hopefully we can do some good and give these parents some peace."<br><br>Johnny was Gosch's youngest of three children, and she has devoted her life to finding him, from raising money for private detectives to following her own leads and prodding police to try harder. She also wrote a book called "Why Johnny Can't Come Home."<br><br>Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby sunny » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:55 am

Now it says:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Website down due to high traffic<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>As to the location of the birthmark, I don't think Noreen said specifically in the testimony I read. I'm sure the information is on her website, but I guess checking it will have to wait. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby starroute » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:57 am

The thread at Democratic Underground in which someone posted Guckert high school photos and they were first discussed is at:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3240504#3242373">www.democraticunderground...04#3242373</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Unfortunately, the photos, which were posted at photobucket, no longer show up.<br><br>The following thread starts with the same missing photos -- but followed by a paste-up someone did with a side-by-side comparison of the best of the high school pictures and a contemporary Guckert photo, and that's still there. There are also other comparison pairs in the course of the thread -- perhaps the most convincing being down near the bottom in post #225.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3243335#3246396">www.democraticunderground...35#3246396</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The links to all DU threads on Guckert/Gosch are at:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Gannongate_Wrinkles">demopedia.democraticunder...e_Wrinkles</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Those two threads are #14 and #15 in the series. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What do this of this

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:00 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>As per speculation the story would not be past the internet or the local news it is currently on CNN's website.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br><br>Yeah, I saw it on the local Ia/Mo channel last night. <p></p><i></i>
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Server

Postby Sweejak » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:01 am

Sunny, is it still down for you? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Server

Postby sunny » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:04 am

Yes, it's still down.<br><br>And the CNN link is taking forever to load. <p></p><i></i>
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Speculation

Postby JD » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:05 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Whoever had these photos had them for 24 years. I don't understand why they would do this now. It must be some kind of message."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hard to argue with that.<br><br>This new development in the Gosch case, coming on the heels of the recent JBR resurrection, is certainly interesting.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>SPECULATION:</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> If the hypothesis of the utilization of pedo crimes as a mechanism of keeping key members of the elite in line and under control is valid, could it be that we are seeing "some kind of message" being sent to the elite to keep them in line? Could there be some extraordinary events that are coming which will require a uniformly compliant elite? A scary speculation which I hope is entirely without merit. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Server

Postby Sweejak » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:15 am

Sounds like a ISP problem. All I can suggest is to refresh your browser. Satellite? Maybe a storm in your area. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Speculation

Postby sunny » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:16 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Could there be some extraordinary events that are coming which will require a uniformly compliant elite? A scary speculation which I hope is entirely without merit.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Oy, me too.<br><br>Sweejak, am I to understand that the website is down due to high traffic only when it comes to me?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Guckert photos

Postby starroute » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:18 am

Actually, since these were posted for general viewing at DU, there's probably no reason I shouldn't link to them from here:<br><br>Side by side<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/i_g/guckert.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Same, but with lines drawn to show facial proportions are the same<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~toyoder/images/jg_ratio.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>A different side-by-side<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://home.earthlink.net/~melindawatson/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/eyes.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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On the news

Postby FourthBase » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:18 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yeah, I saw it on the local Ia/Mo channel last night.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Do a news search for Johnny Gosch on Google.<br>It's being reported <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>everywhere</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Speculation

Postby sunny » Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:19 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sounds like a ISP problem. All I can suggest is to refresh your browser. Satellite? Maybe a storm in your area.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>There is no storm, and I got to the site fine earlier,I just couldn't see the b/w photo, so I thought I'd try again. <p></p><i></i>
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