London Calling -- Again

by **antiaristo** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:01 pm

Maybe it's postal codes. Shoreditch is E1 Shepherds Bush is W12 The Oval is SE11 (NB there are no postcodes for S) I'm not sure about Warren Street from memory. Anyone know?

by **smiths** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:37 pm

the first bombs were not in a cross or a straight line, more of a flattened lacklustre triangle, maybe the new ones are just a barometer, give them the big one first, spin out the line, blur the times and methodology, and then test the cultural waters, GTR generate, test, regenerate, maybe even further blurring the original 'facts', scattering the trail. the interesting thing for me is that ordinary peoples perceptions have changed, something smells wrong even if they dont follow it through in their minds, bits that dont make sense. the sheeple is a poor and unfair descriptive term. one minute they look docile and contolled and the next minute? i dont know. but i hear a lot of fatalistic talk about the end of massed revolutions and the triumph of the propoganda over the people and i just dont buy it, despite misinformation and spin there must be the highest number of well informed people per population that there ever has been or am i just suffering from irrational exuberance

by **antiaristo** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:06 pm

Hi heath7, The Guardian ran a poll over the last few days. Sixty four percent believe it related to Blair’s decision to invade Iraq. Thirty three percent blame Blair “a lot” Thirty one percent blame Blair “a little” The first group are the angries. The second are the ashamed. There is an enormous difference in one respect between the people of Britain and the people of America. Brits know that if you dish it out you’re going to get it back. Our cousins have been brainwashed with “Team USA”. Don’t kid yourself that Britain has freedom of expression and a free press. There is every effort going on right now to build “Team Britain” behind our Tony. But there is a seething anger lying just beneath the surface. No matter what they do they cannot get rid of Blair. Things could be coming to a head.

by **Dreams End** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:30 am

Smiths said: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> the first bombs were not in a cross or a straight line, more of a flattened lacklustre triangle,<hr></blockquote> Yeah, I think that's right. I changed the blog to reflect that. However, the main point is that, to say that the middle two bombs are in the "north and south" is an extreme stretch...simply no way they fit that description. It was clearly important that we get the image of a cross, for whatever reason as the reporter lied about the first attack's shape and then there was another. I've seen no "fiery cross" Al-Qaeda quotes, however.

by **Peachtree Pam** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:17 am

<a href="http://www.nomorefakenews.com/">www.nomorefakenews.com/</a>

by **Peachtree Pam** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:27 am

From Break for News: <a href="http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/london-bombers-did-they-board-at-luton.html">wagnews.blogspot.com/2005...luton.html</a>

by **rain** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 6:40 am

good morning Pam, good to see you're on the ball as usual thought I'd add this one, <a href="http://wagnews.blogspot.com/2005/07/us-patriot-act-extending-into-europe.html">wagnews.blogspot.com/2005...urope.html</a> also relevant to 'compass rose/wind rose' discussion someone made a comment re:Buzzy's law outfit;couldn't believe numbers involved. is that a real connect, or am I just wingin' it?

by **hmm** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:06 am

london tube station!?!?! eye witness saw 3 plainclothes men chasing a man,he tripped ,they caught up to him,he was on the ground and eyewitness in shocked voice tells that one of the plainclothes men pulls out a automatic weapon and unloaded 5 shots into the man they had lying on the ground!?!and that he is dead!?!?! (this from bbc TV live interuption of normal programming)

by **hmm** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:19 am

bbc newsnight,it has a piece on railtrack that had amazing relevance to you (if im understand things right) and on a side note gavin esler said some incredible things in relation to terror. how about this: "all terrorism is a kind of theatre" i almost fell out of my chair when he said that while getting ready to introduce the segment on the london attacks. a bit later in the segment he was interviewing some anti-terror muppets when he quite suddenly asked the strangest question: "dont you think there is some obvious things something missing here? where are the video's where are the demands,where are the things we associate terrorism in the past" who wrote his script!?!?! anyways you (or others) can watch it untill 22:30 GMT tonight by clicking a link on this page: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...efault.stm</a>

by **antiaristo** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:02 am

hmm, Yes indeedy. Railtrack has great significance for me. To Patricia Hewitt, 30 June 2002 Dear Secretary of State, I understand from the draft Communication Bill that HM Government intends to remove the ownership rules governing Channel 3 and Channel 5. So you need to take care that you don’t emulate Stephen Byers twice over and create a false market in the shares of Channel 3 (Granada and Carlton). For any purchase of Channel 3 will of necessity include Anglia Television. And any purchaser will become party to the conspiracy to defraud and, with the passage of time, party to the conspiracy to murder. Just like Charles Allen and his gang at Granada (see Cleary to Patrick Cox 6 April 2002, copied to your good self by name). Furthermore, Stephen Byers was Hewitt’s predecessor at the DTI. He was in charge while all the Channel 3 shenanigans were going on. Regrettably I cannot view video on my machine (it’s powered by steam). But I’m sure you agree that the only broadcast news worth watching are C4 and Newsnight. The honest journalists are playing a dangerous game of plausible deniability and ambiguity. They want to oppose her, but to do so directly lays them open to (lawful) reprisals. So we get lots of hints. They are indicative of what lies beneath

by **hmm** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:15 am

i didnt realise you couldnt watch or i might have taken a few notes,i'm quite busy today so not sure i can get back in time to watch it again before it is replaced by tonights version. It was a strong piece,quite damning of government. It was in relation to the railtrack class-action and stephen byers was mentioned a few times. The revelation (if new to you) was of emails between government advisors and civil servants,with civil servants (of all people) protesting the role of the advisors. The emails where pretty damning evidence of the type of colusion you are dealing with. On a side side note i have some experience with steam-age computers and there could be some options for viewing some video on these machines using free/open-source tools but i'm late and have "house-calls" to make so cant elaborate now

by **antiaristo** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:00 am

hmm, What you say does not surprise me in the least. It's these bloody "Special Advisors" that have been given the power to order around civil servants (that is, royal prerogative powers). The civil servants know what is going on, but what else can they do but leak? Lord Clive Hollick was put into the DTI as "Special Advisor to the Prime Minister" at the time Byers was there. He was put into the position of advising on the fraud that he himself had committed! If you look at who was at that famous meeting at Downing Street on 23 July 2002 you will find three elected politicians (Blair, Straw and Hoon) and TEN unelecteds. Standard procedure since 1990. Thank you for your kind offer. A few months ago I couldn't get the damn thing to boot. Something was coflicting with something else. I got frustrated an started deleting software I used rarely, on the grounds that all I really need is the Internet and word processing. I was stupid,I know. My policy now is to try to keep Old Bessie running, and I rarely shut down. But the prospect of introducing ANY new software terrifies me.

by **anonymouse** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:46 am

'Man shot dead was not a bomber' Saturday July 23 2005 00:00 IST Reuters LONDON: A man shot dead by police at a London Underground station on Friday was not one of the four bombers who tried to attack the city's transport system on Thursday, Sky Television reported citing security sources. "This is what I am picking up from security sources that the man who was shot this (Friday) morning at Stockwell tube wasn't one of those four bombers that police are hunting," Sky reporter Martin Brunt said. A spokesman for London's Metropolitan Police said only: "the gentleman shot at Stockwell today has yet to be identified, so it would be impossible to link him to anything at this stage."

by **anonymouse** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:48 am

<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22989-1705147,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art...47,00.html</a> Suspect shot dead 'had no bomb' By Adam Fresco, Rajeev Syal and Steve Bird ARMED undercover police chased and shot dead a man directly linked to the London bombers’ terror cell after he ran into a South London Underground station and tried to board a train. It is understood that he was found not to have been carrying a bomb. Three officers had followed him to Stockwell station after he emerged from a nearby house that police believed to be connected with Thursday’s attempted bombings. The suspect, described as being of Asian appearance and wearing a thick, bulky jacket, vaulted over a ticket barrier when challenged by police and ran down the escalator and along the platform of the Northern Line. When the armed officers reached the platform with their guns drawn, they shouted at everyone to get down. As waiting passengers and those already on a train that had pulled into the station dived to the floor, the suspect jumped on the train. Two witnesses said that as he entered the train he tripped, ending up half in and half out of the carriage, on all fours. Within seconds, as the clock tower outside the station chimed 10am, the officers caught up with the man and pushed him hard to the floor. Witnesses said that they then fired up to five bullets into him at close range, killing him instantly. Anthony Larkin, 30, was waiting on the platform when he saw a man in a black bomber jacket and jeans running towards him being chased by the officers. Mr Larkin, a care assistant, from Hartlepool, Teesside, said: “The officers were shouting, ‘Get down, get down’. I immediately hit the ground. I saw the man fall over and then I heard two shots that I believe went into his back. “There was lots of panicking, people ran screaming out of the station and they were keeping their heads down. I just got up and joined them, running as fast as I could.” Alerted by the bulk of his jacket, police had followed the suspect on foot for some time and became concerned when he approached the Tube station. After the officers were ordered to stop him from entering the station at all costs, they challenged him before he crossed the main road to the station. When they drew their weapons and shouted “Stop, armed police”, the man looked over his shoulder and bolted. He was described as being very fit and agile. After the suspect had been shot police sent a robot to examine the man, because of fears that any device could still prove a danger. But it is understood that no device was found. Police are describing him as an “intimate accomplice of the cell”. His name and address were thought to have been found among the possessions left by the would-be bombers on Thursday. Police sources said he did not live at the address from which he had been followed. Another witness said that the suspect boarded the Tube and attempted to take a hostage before he was shot. Dan Copeland, a Northern Line passenger, told BBC News: “The man burst in through the carriage door to my right and grabbed hold of the pole and a person by the glass partition near the door, diagonally opposite me. “An officer jumped on to my left and screamed, ‘Everybody out’. As I turned out of the door on to the platform I heard four dull bangs.” The Metropolitan Police said that an Independent Police Complaints Commission investigation will begin, which will inevitably focus on some of the witness accounts. The incident sparked panic among travellers, some of whom were treated for shock and minor injuries. Within 20 minutes of the shooting, more armed officers from Scotland Yard’s SO19 group ran into the station carrying semi-automatic weapons, witnesses said. At 10.42am police cordoned off an area around the station and closed off the busy A3, which runs between Central London and the South Coast. Traffic was backed up for miles. At the same time, the Victoria and Northern lines were stopped. They reopened at 12.20pm. Just before that, Christine Burgess, 56, who was travelling past the station on a bus, said that she saw a body bag being brought out of the station and put into an ambulance. Early this morning the area was still cordoned off. THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT Anti-terrorist police have a policy, codenamed Operation Kratos, for dealing with suspected suicide bombers. At its most extreme, it involves shooting at the head Armed officers in England and Wales aim at the chest, but bombers hit in the chest can still trigger explosives Once a person is judged a serious risk to the public armed police can open fire They can only open fire while on duty when absolutely necessary and when traditional methods have tried and failed, or are unlikely to succeed Police are expected to identify themselves as armed officers and warn of their intent to use firearms They must give sufficient time for a suspect to observe the warning, unless that puts anyone at risk

by **antiaristo** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:29 pm

Front page of Guardian Unlimited Link to 7/7 bombs established Investigation: Devices recovered from the scenes of Thursday's failed terrorist attacks in London similar to material found in the wake of the July 7 bombings. Story Security services link explosives with bombs that killed 52 a fortnight ago Rosie Cowan and David Adam Saturday July 23, 2005 The Guardian Devices recovered from the scenes of Thursday's failed terrorist attacks in London bore striking similarities to material found in the wake of the July 7 bombings. Forensic experts have not yet established the exact chemical make-up of material found in Leeds and Luton in the wake of the bombings two weeks ago that killed 52 victims and the bombers. But security sources told the Guardian that it was markedly similar in appearance to the material found in containers inside four rucksacks carried by the bombers involved in Thursday's attacks. A source described the substance as "liquid mixed with a lump of matter". The material used in the July 7 attacks was at first rumoured to be military or commercial explosives. But the discoveries in a car abandoned by the bombers in Luton and in a flat connected with the bombers in Leeds shifted the emphasis to home-made explosives. It was then suggested that the substance could be acetone peroxide, possibly TATP, nicknamed Mother of Satan because of its extreme volatility. However, police sources say the substance still has not been positively identified. Professor Hans Michels, a bomb expert from Imperial College, London, said there were thousands of different variations of home-made explosives. He said that over-the-counter acetone products could contain impurities that could set off unpredictable chemical reactions, rendering the explosives very unstable and making it harder to ascertain the exact ingredients. He said the material in the bath in Leeds would have to be kept at minus 10C and removed with extreme care, because it could still be highly volatile, with the capacity to cause a major explosion. But home made explosives such as TATP degrade over time, which could explain why Thursday's bombs malfunctioned. It is believed that the detonators on three of the bombs recovered on Thursday exploded, but failed to ignite the main explosives, while the detonator in the fourth device did not even go off. If the explosives do turn out to be made from the same recipe it will not necessarily prove a definitive link between the two bomb gangs, but would strongly suggest that they may have been a part of the same loosely connected network. Police refused to give details of the detonators used in Thursday's attacks, but typical home-made bombs use a small amount of high explosives to set off a large quantity of less volatile material. Forensics experts tracking the people responsible for the latest bombs are working on two main leads: the design of the devices and clues left behind by those who made and carried them. Unlike the blasts of July 7 that destroyed most evidence, scattering the rest as tiny pieces over a large area, the scenes on the three tube trains and the London bus this time have been described as a forensics gold mine. "The bottom line is that you've got four crime scenes which are relatively undisturbed," said Jim Fraser, head of the forensic science unit at Strathclyde University. "The same techniques used to investigate any other crime scene will now be in operation. "In some respects this is straightforward stuff. It's let's look for fingerprints, let's look for DNA, let's look for hairs and fibres. Let's look at anything else that happens to be in the bags. Where did the bags come from and how many people own them? How does that fit in with the CCTV and any other intelligence?" John Twibell, a former explosives expert with the Forensic Science Service, said the police would quickly establish why the bombs had failed to explode fully. "The small explosions are likely to have caused minimal damage", he said, "so hopefully the circuitry used to fire the device will be fairly well intact. They'll be able to work out whether it was activated by a mobile phone, or whatever." Are those "striking similarities" to plasic explosives or to Jean-Paul Gaultier Fragrances? I'm getting more and more disappointed with the Grauniad.

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