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Hugh Manatee Wins wrote:IanEye wrote:
"Mr. Ruby?" "The Company?" "Altered bodies?"
Interesting director and especially movie title.
Check out Richard Popkin's book published that year, 1966.
There was also a terrible incident at a tower in Texas...
IanEye wrote:justdrew wrote:
well, the Ventures are clean
I have actually felt for a long time that The Ventures might have been Government Agents. From the mid-60's into the 70's, while the U.S. was in Viet Nam, The Ventures would tour Asia extensively.
They would perform at an Army base, then at a private club, then on a Naval battleship, then another private club. It seems like the ideal cover to gather intelligence, then debrief, gather more intelligence....
The worst album sleeves of all time - in pictures
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/gallery ... 69&index=0
LAPD probing Manson family link to 12 unsolved homicides
October 18, 2012 | 7:27 pm
The Los Angeles Police Department disclosed Thursday that it has open investigations on a dozen unsolved homicides that occurred near places where the Manson family operated during its slew of murders four decades ago.
The Police Department made the revelation amid a legal battle to obtain hours of audio tapes recorded in 1969 between Charles Manson follower Charles “Tex” Watson and his attorney. The LAPD has said detectives believe tapes could shed more light on the activities of Manson's group.
Watson has been fighting to limit the LAPD’s access to the tapes. This month, a federal judge in Texas granted an emergency order preventing the police from executing a search warrant at an office where the tapes are kept.
PHOTOS: The Manson murders
LAPD officials did not disclose details of the cases and said the department is examining the murders because they occurred near known Manson hangouts around the city.
“These cases have circumstances that are similar to some of the Manson killings,” Cmdr. Andy Smith said. “We are hoping that these Tex Watson tapes can provide us further clues on these cases... We are doing this for the families of these victims.”
Manson and his followers were convicted of killing eight people in a notorious plot to incite a race war that he believed was prophesied in the Beatles song “Helter Skelter.”
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Sharon Tate, the wife of director Roman Polanski, was 8½ months pregnant when she was killed at the couple's hilltop home in Benedict Canyon on Aug. 9, 1969. Polanski was out of the country working on a film. Besides Tate, four others were stabbed and shot to death: Jay Sebring, 35; Voytek Frykowski, 32; coffee heiress Abigail Folger, 25; and Steven Parent, 18, a friend of Tate's caretaker. The word “pig” was written on the front door in blood.
The next night, Manson rode with his cohorts to the Los Feliz home of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, then left three of them to commit the murders. “Death to pigs” was written on a wall, and “Healter Skelter,” which was misspelled, was written on the refrigerator door.
They also killed Gary Hinman, 34, a musician, and Donald “Shorty” Shea, a stuntman and a ranch hand at the Chatsworth ranch where Manson and his followers lived.
Some authors and former prosecutors who studied the case have long suspected that the Manson family was responsible for more killings.
This spring, a U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge in Texas granted the LAPD’s request to review eight cassette tapes containing hours of conversations between Watson and his late attorney. But Watson’s attorney appealed, and the case was stalled.
The LAPD tried to obtain the tapes using a search warrant.
But on Oct. 9, U.S. District Judge Richard A. Schell issued an order forbidding the LAPD and Texas authorities from taking the tapes until the Bankruptcy Court resolves Watson’s appeal.
“This court understands and respects the desire of the LAPD to seek access to the 42-year old tapes, Schell wrote. “However, the LAPD has provided no explanation as to why this court should shortcut the usual procedure for determining a bankruptcy appeal of a previous ruling in Bankruptcy Court.”
Smith said the Police Department is frustrated with the delays. “The civil courts here are blocking a criminal investigation,” he said. “We don’t even have a date for when this will be resolved.”
Watson is serving a life sentence for his role in killings.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... cides.html
IanEye wrote:David McGowan wrote:We can begin, I suppose, by noting that Hank served as a decorated US Naval Intelligence officer during World War II, thus sparing Peter the stigma of being the only member of the Laurel Canyon in-crowd to have not been spawned by a member of the military/intelligence community. Not too many years after the war, Hank’s wife, Francis Ford Seymour, was found with her throat slashed open with a straight razor. Peter was just ten years old at the time of his mother’s, uhmm, suicide on April 14, 1950. When Seymour had met and married Hank, she was the widow of George Brokaw, who had, curiously enough, previously been married to prominent CIA asset Claire Booth Luce.
Fonda rebounded quickly from Seymour’s unusual death and within eight months he was married once again, to Susan Blanchard, to whom he remained married until 1956. In 1957, Hank married yet again, this time to Italian Countess Afdera Franchetti (who followed up her four-year marriage to Fonda with a rumored affair with newly-sworn-in President John Kennedy). Franchetti, as it turns out, is the daughter of Baron Raimondo Franchetti, who was a consultant to fascist dictator Benito Mussolini. The countess is also the great-granddaughter of Louise Sarah Rothschild, of the ever-popular Rothschild banking family (perhaps you’ve heard of them?)
Someone's got it in for me
they're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick
but when they will I can only guess.
They say I shot a man named Gray
and took his wife to Italy
She inherited a million bucks
and when she died it came to me.
Can I help it if I'm lucky?
IanEye wrote:Thanks MinM.
I am currently reading Nikolas Schreck's "The Manson File". The book details a lot of aspects of the LaBianca killings that I did not know before.
When I am through with the book I think I will start a separate thread here at RI focusing on this book and the author.
The book is well footnoted, but it seems like the author could have his own agenda, and it would be good to get RI's viewpoint.
I will defer to Jeff on whether or not he wants that thread on the board though, because Schreck appears to have embraced fascism closely in the past.
I am just looking at it from the Manson angle.
thurnundtaxis wrote:“Our music was far from political or antiwar … I never felt comfortable with political advocacy.”
John Phillips
“There were no political speeches or overt protest songs performed.”
John Phillips, discussing the Monterey Pop Festival, of which he was a key organizer
New installment has been posted.
WARNING: contains the extremely gruesome Black Dahlia crime scene photos!
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr110.html
Black Dahlia case may be solved by death-sniffing dog
Trained dog smells human decomposition in Black Dahlia suspect's basement.
By KRISTEN BUTLER, UPI.com
On January 15, 1947, the severed body of 22-year-old Elizabeth Short was found in a vacant lot in Los Angeles. The case went cold and remained unsolved up to today, but former LAPD detective Steve Hodel has long believed his father murdered Short, nicknamed the Black Dahlia.
Hodel authored a book, "Black Dahlia Avenger," in which he said that his father, doctor George Hill Hodel, committed the murder at the "Sowden House" in Hollywood where the family lived at the time. It turns out the elder Hodel was a person of interest at the time, but was released. He died in 1991.
The Nov. 9 search of the historic house was conducted with the TV show "Ghost Hunters." Hodel participated in the search along with a cadaver dog trained to sniff for human remains. Although it was filmed, the segment with Buster never aired.
Buster's sense of smell led to a vent just outside the basement where he alerted detectives to the scent of human decomposition. Hodel said soil samples from the basement have been sent to a lab for analysis, but he believes the dog was onto something. "We have established as fact that the basement ... some 66 years after the murder, still holds the smell of death."
The Black Dahlia murder remains part of popular culture. The mystery was most recently covered in the 2006 film "The Black Dahlia," starring Scarlett Johansson, Josh Hartnett and Hilary Swank.
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/02/04/Blac ... 360014973/
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