"South Park" has declared war on Scientology.

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This should be interesting

Postby thoughtographer » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:29 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"South Park" Chef back after Scientology skirmish<br>Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:32 PM ET<br><br>By Steve Gorman<br><br>LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Soul singer Isaac Hayes may have quit his job as the voice of Chef on "South Park" after a disagreement over religion, but his character will live on when the satiric cable TV cartoon returns to Comedy Central this week, the network said on Monday.<br><br>Hayes and his "South Park" alter ego are at the center of an ongoing flap over an episode last November that poked fun at the Church of Scientology and its celebrity adherents, including actor Tom Cruise.<br><br>The tenth season of "South Park" will launch on Wednesday with a new episode titled "The Return of Chef!", marking the "triumphant homecoming" of lusty school cafeteria cook James "Chef" McElroy to the show, the network said in a statement.<br><br>Hayes, 63, himself a follower of Scientology, surprised producers a week ago by announcing he was leaving the series because he objected to its "inappropriate ridicule" of religion, though he made no reference to the show's spoof of Scientology last fall.<br><br>Two days later, Comedy Central abruptly pulled a scheduled repeat of that episode, titled "Trapped in the Closet." Sources close to the show said the rerun was canceled after Cruise threatened to boycott promotion of his upcoming film, "Mission: Impossible III," for sister studio Paramount Pictures.<br><br>Representatives for Cruise and the studio denied this. But "South Park" creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone fed the furor by issuing a statement suggesting the Church of Scientology was behind the decision to scrap the rerun.<br><br>The network has also noted that various religions including Christianity, Judaism and Islam have been targets of the show's satire since its inception.<br><br>The network statement announcing Chef's return for the "South Park" season premiere this Wednesday was a clear sign that Parker and Stone planned to use the Hayes imbroglio as further grist for their comedy.<br><br>"Knowing these guys as I do, I can't imagine that they're not going to do just that," Comedy Central spokesman Tony Fox told Reuters. He added that the producers routinely "turn around" new episodes in just six days, leaving them ample time to incorporate last week's dust-up into their season debut.<br><br>Fox said he assumed someone besides Hayes would supply Chef's voice. Details of the new episode were vague.<br><br>But a network synopsis said the fictional town of South Park, Colorado, is "jolted out of a case of the doldrums when Chef suddenly reappears," leading to new antics by the group of foul-mouthed fourth graders who are the show's stars.<br><br>"While Stan, Kyle, Kenny and Cartman are thrilled to have their old friend back, they notice that something about Chef seems different. When Chef's strange behavior starts getting him in trouble, the boys pull out all the stops to save him."<br><br>Both Comedy Central and Paramount are owned by Viacom Inc..<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This should be interesting

Postby Dreams End » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:40 pm

crap...<br><br>I have a friend in L.A. and one time he was talking about Scientology in pretty flattering terms...so I asked if he had joined them. he said no b/c they were too secretive. But later on he told me about a t.v. pilot project he was working on...with Isaac Hayes...I don't know which came first...so maybe it was just a coincidence, but I could see him getting hooked into that whole thing. Hope not, but I'd forgotten Hayes was into Scientology. <br><br>The other thing that is freaky in the article I posted is about these Thetans...they really talk about them like...well, like ALTERS...a resisting one, a lying one, etc. But more like they are trying to create them (assuming, as I do, that our bodies are not actually infested by the souls of extraterrestrials who got sent here and are pissed because their first life forms to inhabit were clams). <br><br>The other thing is that the current head of Scientology, Miscavig (sp?) was one of l. Ron's "special" kids...Cadets or whatever they call them. A group of pre-teens who were under his direct supervision. IN other words, I think they are mc whack jobs he created when they were young.<br><br>Whether or not the CIA had anything to do with starting COS, I'm sure they make use of their techniques now. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This should be interesting

Postby NewKid » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:45 pm

It's hard to imagine how people believe stuff like this without some sort of MK mojo. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu" target="top">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Scientology and MK/SRA

Postby Quentin Quire » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:50 pm

The South Park stuff did get me reading more about Scientology on Factnet and Operation Clambake. I found one part quite interesting in terms of Scientology as mind control. I'd read that scientologists believe certain 'thetas' resided in specific parts of peoples bodies and that auditing was focused on these specific areas.<br><br>This reminded me of something I'd read related to SRA/MK (I doun't recall where) that some SRA and MK sufferers believed their alters also resided in specific parts of the sufferers body.<br><br>This gave me some food for thought in terms of Scientology as a domestic MK-Ultra program using MK techniques in a cult environment. The whole idea of Scientology dealing in 'engrams' and 'implants' also seems to borrow mind control terminology quite explicitly ...<br><br>MK Ultra as cult money spinner? I guess they have to recoup research costs somehow ... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Scientology and MK/SRA

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:19 pm

(Hey, DE-dig the 'Planet Veritas.' lol.)<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com/veritas/cst/cst-cia.htm">www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.c...st-cia.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>DO ED DAMES AND THE CIA HAVE A LICENSE FROM CST TO USE L. RON HUBBARD'S WORKS? <br><br>The Church of Spiritual Technology--doing business as the "L. Ron Hubbard Library," and currently the defendant in the $190-million libel suit that we set out several centuries ago (in Planet Veritas time) to cover--owns all the copyrights to all of L. Ron Hubbard's works. Anchor points. Dimension points. "The Grand Tour." The works. <br><br>That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology who has weird ties to IRS, leading to the tax-exempt status which helped get them ownership of those copyrights. <br><br>That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology that is defendant in a libel suit whose judge has ties to government intelligence-agency oversight commitees. <br><br>That's the same Church of Spiritual Technology who has spent, or allowed to be spent, countless millions of dollars tracking down and prosecuting--some would say "persecuting"--people that they scathingly describe as "copyright terrorists"--which means, as well as we can determine, people who use or distribute CST-owned copyrighted material improperly or without a license. Of course, CST--who, like the proverbial elephant with red-painted toenails hiding in a cherry tree, is always trying to remain invisible--hasn't been SEEN going after their nemesis "copyright terrorists." They use their yard-dog, the Religious Technology Center (RTC), to do the down-and-dirty courtroom ankle-gnawing. But RTC is just another licensee of the Church of Spiritual Technology, and so is merely fronting for the real copyright owners--CST. <br><br>So why is CIA's Major Ed Dames allowed to rake in millions using technology that demonstrably derives from these copyrighted materials, while CST sits by quietly? <br><br>Why did the CIA use Scientology OTs to create remote viewing? <br><br>How did "former" intelligence people like Puthoff and Swann get onto the Scientology OT Levels in the first place--since Hubbard had forbidden such people to be allowed on Scientology courses? <br><br>"BUNK," MAJOR ED? WE'LL TELL YOU ABOUT "BUNK" <br><br>Major Ed Dames created his money-making venture using technology that HE claims was developed by the CIA in research (using millions of tax dollars), and in which he was the Training and Operations Officer for "a new psychic intelligence community." <br><br>Well, we think that's just ducky. <br><br>Yet he vigorously denies that Hal Puthoff, Ingo Swann, and Pat Price were Scientologists; he vigorously denies that they were key players in the development of "remote viewing;" and he vigorously denies that "anchor points" are a discovery of L. Ron Hubbard. <br><br>Well, we say, "bunk" to your denials, Major Ed. <br><br>We think you have a damn good reason for trying to downplay and hide the Scientology-CIA-remote-viewing connections. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why Puthoff and Swann had intelligence backgrounds before getting into Scientology. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why they had no sooner reached the secret upper levels of Scientology, than they were back under the wing of CIA developing remote viewing for the "new psychic intelligence community." <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why psychiatrist Dr. Louis Jolyn "Jolly" West--a brainwashing specialist with CIA ties going back to the early '50's, when L. Ron Hubbard first exposed government brainwashing techniques and mind-control experiments--was also connected with the CIA's Remote Viewing Program. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why the judge in the instant case involving CST--Judge Frances Rothschild--has well-documented ties both to IRS/Treasury, and to Intelligence Oversight committees in the federal government, and why Rothschild got put onto the case through the expedient of the first judge recusing herself. <br><br>We think there's a damn good reason why CST was co-founded by a former Assistant to the Commissioner of IRS, who just happened to be there at IRS while an IRS employee was feeding government documents to senior Scientology officials--which ultimately got those officials jailed, and made it possible for CST to get possession of all the copyrights containing the technology that CIA appropriated for its own use. <br><br>And we think any effort to cover all this stinking rot up is BUNK, Major Ed. Or worse. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>We think the evidence of connections between federal government agencies and CST is now overwhelming, Major Ed, and that only a real idiot could ignore it. We think that there's even a possibility that Dr. "Jolly" West helped mix Scientology technology with Jungian psychology so that it could be slickly packaged up and sold off as "remote viewing" to the gullible public--pretending that it's exactly what the government is using (yeah, right), while, in fact, CIA (and DIA, and NSA, and the alphabet soup group) keep the real stuff for themselves. <br><br>We also think that CST is packaging altered versions of the original Hubbard works, and selling those off disguised as the real thing, too. </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>But that's just what WE think, Major Ed. What do YOU think? <br><br>Oh, that's right. We remember now. You say it's all "bunk." And you wouldn't lie, would you Major Ed? Why, hell--you're a "former" United States intelligence officer. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Quentin Quire » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:32 pm

Thanks for the post Hugh. The link between Scientology and Remote Viewing is certainly a disturbing one. <br><br>Does this lend credence to the Scientologists view that rising through the OT levels allows the Scientologist access to untapped mental powers or does it strengthen the case for the links between government MK experiments and Scientology techniques? Or maybe both ... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Scientology and MK/SRA

Postby Dreams End » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:51 pm

It's so hard to follow, but there's definitely much of significance in the fact that SRI folks were all wrapped up in Scientology. <br><br>The site Hugh linked to is interesting. It's not, as far as I can tell (and no, I have nothing to do with it) an anti-Scientology site. It delves into who the actual current controllers and owners of Scientology copyrights are and is very suspicious of a little cabal that seems to have taken over after L.Ron's death. However, he goes on and on about how they aren't true to L. Ron's original writings...but I think the bigger story is..who the hell are these people who took over. We get their names, but no idea who they are.<br><br>Here's a much longer article about this. I think it's important...though I'm not sure calling this a "takeover" is right...as the new leader, Miscavige, "worked" (oh, so THAT'S what they call it now) with LRH when Miscavige was just a teen. Some excerpts...and it's creepy:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Yet the great helmsman of this bizarre cult was not on board. No one knows for sure whether L. Ron Hubbard, the 74-year-old founder, is even alive. His round, smiling face gazes down from the walls of more than 100 Scientology offices around the world, orders are given in his name, but he hasn't been seen in nearly five years. He may be in seclusion, as Church leaders claim, or he may be, as recent defectors believe, either dead or in failing health and under the control of half a dozen young followers who are manipulating big fortune.<br><br>These are the children. Well, actually, they are in their early 20s now. But they were only 11, 12, 13-year-olds when Hubbard, haunted by fear of enemies, was sailing the world's oceans aboard a 3280-tonne convened British ferryboat called the Apollo. Some 500 scientologists, many of them English, took their children with them aboard the boat. Hubbard was the Commodore. The kids were the elite "Commodore Messenger Org."<br><br>"They were mostly good-looking girls, smart, too," said Bent Corydon, a New Zealander who had been in the Church for over 20 years and had run his own scientology mission on a franchise basis. "They weren't much use to the ship particularly, to Hubbard used them as his eyes and ears, spies really, running around, asking questions, observing things. They were considered to be Hubbard himself and any discourtesy to them was regarded as a personal discourtesy to Hubbard. By the time they all got off the boat in 1975, some of the girls had been replaced by teenage boys. The worst part was when these kids started turning in their parents, getting them 'declared' [purged] as 'suppressives - that's evil people, to translate Church language." <br><br>-------------------snip------------------------<br><br>By the summer of 1976 about 1500 Scientologists, including some 800 full time staff members, had moved into their new headquarters, which they described in colour brochures as a "religious retreat" and the "friendliest place in the a whole world". Ron Hubbard, in green tam-o'shanter, was seen directing training films in the grounds. Always at his side was a slim, intense-looking teenager named David Miscavige, smartly dressed in the naval uniform of the Commodore's Messenger.<br><br>-------------snip----------------<br><br>Armstrong said that his boss talked to no one but the young Messengers who had been with him since their childhood days aboard the Apollo. "He was childlike and bullying." He had also become a hypochondriac, said Armstrong, terrified of germs, taking injections of drugs and vitamins.<br><br>About a dozen senior Scientologists lived in the apartment complex with Hubbard. One of them was David Mayo, who was Hubbard's personal auditor (confessor) and the Church's leading authority on its philosophy. A 22-year Scientology veteran, Mayo earned his place at the top of the hierarchy through his close friendship with Hubbard. But in February, 1980, Mayo left for a two-week visit to his native New Zealand. When be returned, Hubbard had vanished.<br><br>The young naval-uniformed Commodore Messenger Org had pulled a preemptive coup for control of the Church.<br><br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Whole article is worth reading. Or would be if I provided the link..sorry:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/england/sundaytimes-magazine-scientology.htm">www.lermanet.com/scientol...tology.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 3/21/06 6:20 pm<br></i>
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Just A Minor Thought But ...

Postby Quentin Quire » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:03 pm

Anyone notice how close 'Miscavige' is to 'Miscarriage'?<br><br>Or am I just channeling James Shelby Downard? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Quentin Quire » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:30 pm

My last post of the night --<br><br>But the 'Miscavige'/'Miscarriage' thing does put me in mind of the 'Moon Child' ritual performed by Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard.<br><br>Perhaps a Moon Child was created, but their was a problem with the 'fetus' as it were ... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Scientology and MK/SRA- "Would we kill you...?"

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:47 pm

Yes, this questionairre is just titled 'RA.'. From the leaked Scientology documents at <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/L-Rundowns/l10RA.html">www.xenu.net/archive/L-Ru...l10RA.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>10 - RA<br><br>1. Did we slide over something you didn't want mentioned?<br><br>(If it reads, pull it)<br><br> <br><br>2. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Would we kill you if we found out?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>(If it reads, clean it up)<br><br> <br><br>3. Are these somebody else's O/Ws?<br><br>(If it reads, clean it to FN) (if OT III, LDN OT III)<br><br> <br><br>4. Have you always expected something magical to occur?<br><br>(If it reads, get it phrased as an item, do W/W & 0/W)<br><br> <br><br>5. Are you still wanted somewhere?<br><br>(Date it, clean it, find out what overt)<br><br> <br><br>6. Are you punishing yourself?<br><br>(If it reads find out How? Why? E/S if no FN)<br><br> <br><br>7. Are you getting even for something?<br><br>(Get the motivator, then the overts and W/Hs on it and then<br><br>the ARC Break)<br><br> <br><br>8. Do you think the group should be protected?<br><br>(Find out the original reason for coming, E/S on other groups)<br><br> <br><br>9. Are you preventing overts?<br><br>(2WC what they are)<br><br> <br><br>10. Would it be bad to have a win?<br><br>(2WC to cog)<br><br> <br><br>11. Are you protecting your reputation?<br><br>(2WC to pull the thing the pc has done that he won't discuss)<br><br> <br><br>12. Are you protecting your auditor?<br><br>(2WC to find what the withhold is)<br><br> <br><br>13. What else hasn't done any good?<br><br>(Get pc to ES to other failures)<br><br> <br><br>14. Do things go on and on?<br><br>(2WC what has gone on and on)<br><br> <br><br>15. Do you deserve a good result?<br><br>(2WC why not)<br><br> <br><br>16. Is change bad?<br><br>(2WC with ES)<br><br> <br><br>l7. Would it make somebody else right if you won?<br><br>(2WC who)<br><br> <br><br>18. Are all wins overts?<br><br>(2WC)<br><br> <br><br>19. What are you waiting to have happen?<br><br>(Hidden standard WW & OW)<br><br> <br><br>20 Did we pass a flat point?<br><br> <br><br>21. Do you feel you have been criticized?<br><br> <br><br>22. Have you done something (else) bad during this rundown on overts?<br><br>(2WC and get it)<br><br> <br><br>23. Would it make your enemies right to change?<br><br>(2WC what, who)<br><br> <br><br>24. Is it better to suffer?<br><br>(Who else list WW and OW)<br><br> <br><br>25. Have there been auditing errors?<br><br>(L1C)<br><br> <br><br>26. Have there been listing errors?<br><br>(L4B)<br><br> <br><br>27. Did you hit a great win in this and lost it?<br><br>(Rehab)<br><br> <br><br>28. Is getting no case gain an overt?<br><br>(2WC ES Did you intend it?)<br><br> <br><br>29. Are you withholding a case gain?<br><br>(2WC. Get it to cog)<br><br> <br><br>30. Are you actually right after all?<br><br>(2WC)<br><br> <br><br>31. Was this list unnecessary?<br><br>(Indicate it)<br><br> <br><br>32. Haven't you understood what we are trying to do?<br><br>(Run 2WC and ARC Breaks)<br><br> <br><br>33. Are you pinned down by some earlier life?<br><br>(Get its identity, L10 it)<br><br> <br><br>34. Did we miss answers you had but didn't give on earlier lists.<br><br>(2WC this, then repeat L10 lists)<br><br> <br><br>35. Are you trying to leave somewhere?<br><br>(Find out where, stress why he went there ES)<br><br> <br><br>36. Are you left with stuck pictures?<br><br>(Turn over to Dn auditing)<br><br> <br><br>37. Has all this been done on somebody else?<br><br>(LX lists or OT III if pc in that band)<br><br> <br><br>38. Have intentions been suppressed?<br><br>(Prepcheck Intentions)<br><br> <br><br>39. Was the one we found the real reason?<br><br>(indicate)<br><br> <br><br>40. Is something else wrong?<br><br>(GF total)<br><br> <br><br>GIVE THE PC HIS WIN<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This should be interesting

Postby FourthBase » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:29 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>To be a revolutionary today is to be a therapist and healer, not a fighter.<br><br>How about trying to explain to the American Taliban that this is what is meant by "the second coming of Jesus"?<br><br>That is the way to talk to people and avoid feeding agit prop.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>ABSOLUTELY.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Some actors like Tom Hanks and Nicholas Cage are in nothing but mind virus movies but they are so prevalent that any name that becomes 'successful' will be made into an effective carrier whether they know it or not.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hugh, I agree that there's something weird about Nick Cage being in a shit load of films that seem to have some sort of psyop/social messaging in them.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>The "something weird" is that there are far more Scientologists in Hollywood than has been publicly reported. Nicolas Cage is probably a Scientologist. Scientologists don't marry non-Scientologists. Steven Spielberg is probably a Scientologist. When your sister is a Scientologist, and your wife was one, and you're putting Tom Cruise in all your movies... Oprah and anyone who's always on her show, all the Coppolas, Cameron Crowe, pretty much anyone who's repeatedly in their movies... Basically, most of Hollywood. Including your favorite celebrities, probably.<br><br>Not that Scientology is actually a faith.<br>It could just be a cover religion for MK and SRA activities.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The other thing that is freaky in the article I posted is about these Thetans...they really talk about them like...well, like ALTERS...a resisting one, a lying one, etc. But more like they are trying to create them (assuming, as I do, that our bodies are not actually infested by the souls of extraterrestrials who got sent here and are pissed because their first life forms to inhabit were clams). <br><br>The other thing is that the current head of Scientology, Miscavig (sp?) was one of l. Ron's "special" kids...Cadets or whatever they call them. A group of pre-teens who were under his direct supervision. IN other words, I think they are mc whack jobs he created when they were young.<br><br>Whether or not the CIA had anything to do with starting COS, I'm sure they make use of their techniques now.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>RIGHT. Scientology is acquiring the stars of today and breeding the stars of tomorrow. Scientology is the engine behind the Hollywood factory, fabricating hollow MK role players to star in movies whose SOLE PURPOSE is to propagandize and control the American imagination. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This should be interesting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:44 pm

Jim Morrison was a film student before he was a rock star.<br>His father was a Pentagon general running the Vietnam War.<br>Jim Morrison died of a mysterious heart attack in Paris in 1971.<br><br>From a 1971 book of Jim Morrison (of the Doors) poems called 'The Lords' and 'The New Creatures Poems'-<br><br>p.89<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Lords</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. Events take place beyond our knowledge<br>or control. Our lives are lived for us. We can<br>only try to enslave others. But gradually, special<br>perceptions are being developed. The idea of the<br>"Lords" is beginning to form in some minds. We<br>should enlist them into bands of perceivers to<br>tour the labyrinth during their mysterious noc-<br>turnal appearances. The Lords have secret entrances,<br>and they know disguises. But they give themselves<br>aways in minor ways. Too much glint of light in <br>the eye. A wrong gesture. Too long and curious a<br>glance.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Lords appease us with images. They give us<br>books, concerts, galleries, shows, cinemas. Es-<br>specially the cinemas. Through art they confuse<br>us and blind us to their enslavement. Art adorns<br>our prison walls, keeps us silent and diverted<br>and indifferent.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This should be interesting

Postby havanagilla » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:23 am

<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The other thing that is freaky in the article I posted is about these Thetans...they really talk about them like...well, like ALTERS...a resisting one, a lying one, etc. But more like they are trying to create them (assuming, as I do, that our bodies are not actually infested by the souls of extraterrestrials who got sent here and are pissed because their first life forms to inhabit were clams).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br>Perhaps this form of MC, namely, thetans/alters is specific to some programs. I think I mentioned already that I don't see "alters" in myself (there is dissociation and what not which almost practically amounts to alters, but is very distinctly NOT alters). also, there is less talk about it here in sirael both as a symptom AND as a model. <br><br>As for the cosmogeny, I havent read it fully, but generally our cosmogeny (JEwish, Judeo Christian) is as bizarre. The freudian model of Id Ego etc., is also a mixture of myth (which creates the reality of these divisions) and a pseudo scientific attempt to create a model which approximates the "soul" or "the mind".<br>It might be that COS is also an experiment in "creating religion", namely, a larger and more ambitious program than the original cold war MC. It is "mass populations" under control, using the same techniques, adapted for larger groups, and learning group dynamics.<br>I am SURE there were already 'group' MC projects in the 70's, especially within the "drug culture" of those times. And From my life I know for a fact that there are "family programs of MC" namely, on top of being able to exert more control on invididual victims there is a study of family dynamics that goes much beyond what we used to think about MC. This adds up to ambitious programs to...really, control the world or something. Those people have gone mad. Another option is maybe someone is planning for a colony outside earth, and experiments with "creationism of cultures and civilizations". <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RE

Postby 4911 » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:24 pm

"I agree that Scientology is dangerous, but South Park? Come on. Do you look for implicit political and social control mechanisms in everything?"<br><br>Quentin, I suggest you begin by reading up on Sigmund Freuds nephew, Edward Bernays.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4612464">www.npr.org/templates/sto...Id=4612464</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The secret is out: Most products ARE implicit political and social control mechanisms. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RE "the secret it out"

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:27 pm

Where there's a swill there's a sway.<br><br>...couldn't resist. <p></p><i></i>
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