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Postby dbcooper41 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 7:34 pm

i'm one who believes the trade center towers were blown up utilizing the elevator system, fire alarm system, and assorted mechanical rooms to do the dirty deed. i know many others dismiss the demo theory and i'm open to their reasons but, grab these 2 web pages and i'll try and show some interesting connections involving some groups and people who i've never seem mentioned as possible perps(as they say on tv).

http://web.archive.org/web/200310301925 ... dfirst.asp

2 interesting quotes which they kindly put in bold(you know how they love to put it in your face):
"Towards the end of the process, when all three AEL men could work in harmony together on the hooking up procedure, they did 200 connections in just 5 minutes with no faults."

"Testing was completed the next day, all blast protocols were adhered to, and finally Sunday, 10 June arrived. The person who won the right to fire the shot handed it back to be auctioned to raise more funds for Child Welfare, and the winning bid was finally awarded to a member of the audience, who was taken to the firing position by AEL’s Campbell Robertson and trained in operating the electronic blasting system.

Eventually the moment arrived. All 598 electronic detonators were initiated in vertical lines separated by only 10 ms, something that could not have been achieved in any other way. This enhanced cooperation between the charges and meant that the blasting was over in 0,37 seconds, which prevented cover from being lifted by early shots and from allowing later shots to send flyrock through. Several seconds later the tower was no more. All those weeks of planning and preparation ...and it was all over in a flash!

now the second web page to consider:

http://mm.news-record.com/legacy/attack/exhibit08.htm

to me this is a most interesting factoid; "The exhibit includes items brought home from the person who spent more time at ground zero -- six months, starting Sept. 13 -- than anyone else from Greensboro. David Griffin's family-owned D.H. Griffin Wrecking Co. was hired to clean up the World Trade Center site. His photo ID card, No. 39, was among the first of more than 40,000 issued to people who worked in and around ground zero. Griffin had one of the most difficult jobs: removing the twisted steel and debris, while making sure to sort out body parts."

and here's the mandatory "in your face" factoid;
"Griffin brought back the two pieces of steel that will be displayed. He also has loaned his hard hat; his heavy blue work jacket monogrammed, "Demolition Consultant World Trade Center"; and his boots."
learn all you can about david griffin(i've noticed the key players seem to have alters with the same name, i assume to confuse things)


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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Dec 29, 2009 8:32 pm

Both interesting and surprising and enjoyably full of detail.

Thanks for slapping a Cynic, I was a jaded mammal when I clicked on this, but this is a great find and I say that as a fairly arch CD agnostic. It's just nice to have numbers on what's possible and what's plausible.
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Postby Uncle $cam » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:00 am

Numbers you say?


I have asked here before, however no one seems interested to bother to reply but, what if anything do youse guys know about such things as, "trained incapacity," Markov Chains, Statistically Improbable Phrases (SIPs), social holons, backcasting/hindvasting/nowcasting memes,, sorta like.. Gene prediction or Cryptanalysis and why can't some of you Magicked followers whom love a good riddle/enigma thang, suss some clues out of all this data?
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Postby barracuda » Wed Dec 30, 2009 4:01 am

Okay, I understand how some of those might be useful toward an analysis of 911 data sets, but how would you use Statistically Improbable Phrases in that mix? As an indexing tool? Anyway, great stuff, much of which I'd never encountered or thought of that way. I saw your post in that other thread, btw, but was too agogged to reply.
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Postby Uncle $cam » Wed Dec 30, 2009 6:34 am

I don't really know barracuda, but we seem to be witnessing is the enlightenment in reverse. Where are all the great thinkers of our time? Seriously are there any contemporary thinkers with vision? Are are they all silenced. Continued educational dumbing down, mechanistic science (need to know, military compartmentalization), war on systems holism and vibratory Science. Closed Systems verses perennial philosophy. It was mentioned by someone here earlier, though I can recall who, said something to the effect that, It's a war for the imagination, a war literally for consensus reality. Diane Deprima, said, "the real war - and the only war that matters - is the war against the imagination." To limit what we can be, what we can see, to limit our understanding of ourselfs and eveything else in the world, to make everything fit into a very narrow set of stories, a very narrow framwork, a framework that has a very real set of political, and economic circumstances, we can trace back this war to the 15th 16th centuries, against new ideals of progress. I guess, I just keep thinking, statistically improbable phrases, algors, as some way, any way, to break out of the trance of Newtonian sleep and Cultural Relativism. The “parallax discourse ” of static continuum is no longer useful.

Re-meme-ber, they remember for us now.
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:52 am

^^Interesting riff. Feels 100% out of place on a thread about CD evidence, though. That's a reflection of my biases: WTC is not a major issue to me. I've heard some very eloquent and impassioned takes on why it should be, directed to my face and inbox, but it still doesn't affect my life or worldview either way. I can live with any of a dozen "truths" about 9-11, from official story to Chinese/Russian mafia, and they don't affect the bigger picture of what matters to me.

Also, didn't the Enlightenment happen only among a small group of wealthy white people who published a lot? Or are you referring to something else?
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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:55 am

Also, your laundry list, although an accurate reflection of my personal interests, was also a jumble of actual operational tools and mere "cool concepts" -- for instance, I use SIP's at work daily but "social holons" is very theoretical shit that's owned by a small handful of thinkers who disagree with each other about what it even means.
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Postby chump » Wed Dec 30, 2009 12:36 pm

Perhaps I should put this on a thread I saw here recently about Tesla, but I saw this video about Tesla on the Internet several years ago when I was looking into the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program. I guess it fascinated me a bit because this amazing man had lived and built a laboratory just a short distance from where I used to live in Colorado Springs. I hardly had any idea who Tesla even was until I saw this excellent synopsis of some of Tesla's "discoveries"; including HAARP, free energy and a description of his particle beam "Death Ray"; which was designed by Tesla in 1934, and actually built back in the 40's by the U.S. military.

After that, he designed a "Star Wars" type missile defence shield which, according to the video, "In an unprecedented decision Tesla makes the exploitation of his invention by any single government impossible. He distributes the plans in proprietary segments, like the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. He gave it to the English, Canadian, American and Russian governments. They had to sit down together and collaborate if they wanted to realize the full invention. He realized that people are not conscience enought to handle this information. That's why Tesla put these governments in a mutual dependablity."

Also, and I have read this elsewhere, Tesla "was very much concerned with being able to utilize the phenomenon of resonance to do certain things; not the least of which was to destroy certain materials; and that was evidenced later on by an experiment he did down on Wall Street where a new steel bldg was going up. He tried out one of his resonators - nothing more than a mechanical vibrator, battery operated, and he set up a resonance in the steel beams to the point where it kept building up, like pushing a little kid on a swing, a little push will take it a lot further every time. He almost brought the building down. He scared the people who were working on it. They thought they were having an earthquake. They went down and called the police. Tesla got a little bit scared and picked up his equipment and put it in his pocket and went home."

It is at the beginning of part 5 here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU8du8wL ... re=related

When I saw this, the first thing that came into my mind was: Is that is what somebody used on the twin towers?

Also: "His experiments also produce more ominous possibilities - Alpha waves in the human brain are between 6 and 8 hertz. The wave frequency of the shooting cavity resonates at between 6 and 8 hertz. All biological systems operate in the same frequency range. The human brains alpha waves function in this range. The electrical resonance of the Earth is between 6 and 8 hertz . Thus, our entire biological sysytem, the brain and the Earth itself work on the same frequency. If we can control that resonance system electronically, we could directly control the entire mental system of humankind"

And later on: "When Tesla dies at the age of 87, his legacy of over 700 patents slipped into obscurity, forgotten by nearly everyone - except the U.S. government. Tesla's possesions were sequestered in a government warehouse for ten years following his death. Officials reports confirmed that his collection was microfilmed during this period. When contacted however no government agency revealed any information regarding these microfilms. After a decade the government officially denied the existence of any secret weapons technology were included among the Tesla papers. Rumors nevertheless persist to this day. Whatever may have befallen Tesla's undeveloped discoveries the inventions that remain contribute daily to our science, our medicine and our environment. Perhaps this is what Tesla ultimately envisioned. Perhaps the secrets of Nikola Tesla are right where they belong."

Ya' think?
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Postby dbcooper41 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:17 pm

so back to our story;

our hero answered the call of duty and headed to the big apple to help. :playingknight: there he
made lots of friends and met some really neat people.

http://www.dhgriffin.com/utility/news/c ... e-2002.asp

he's been remarkably candid about the entire "event".

""In the end, this was the biggest demolition job in the world," David
Griffin says." you can take his word to the bank on that one! (nothing "in your face" there!)

http://www.dhgriffin.com/utility/news/g ... -03-10.asp

he has good old southern charm and common sense. plus he knows a little about steel.

http://www.engr.ncsu.edu/news/news_articles/wtc.html

he even met some important people who really appreciated his help
"cleaning up" :wink:

http://web.archive.org/web/200411181630 ... v/news/Nov

2003/n11142003_200311146.html

as you can see his company has since become the go to guys for tricky urban work and towers. go figure.

http://www.dhgriffin.com/utility/news.asp

so by now we can all see he's done pretty well for a guy who loaded up
the truck went to nyc, bs'ed his way into a job
http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangl ... ocus5.html
and then rapidly rose to the top and was given the title of prime contractor and "Demolition Consultant for the Ground Zero site".

http://implosionworld.com/news.htm#1

(lotsa great stuff on that implosionworld.com site.) be sure to check out the "wtc report". sort of a cross between popular science and the nist report. it makes you wanna say huh.
the wtc report also lists our hero number 2 in the list of 4 prime contractors for demo work.

does anyone else see something weird in this tale? to me it has that hollywood hero disney feel. plus if you google a bit you'll find variations on what he drove to nyc and how he impressed the crews enough to get hired.
and if you'll look carefully at the page i posted in my initial posting in this thread you might notice what i consider a columbo moment(he was the guy who always said "you know, one thing bothers me", wasn't he?)

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Postby dbcooper41 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:44 pm

almost forgot to point out that he made friends so fast that his new pal rudy took him to the world series

"By mid-October, Griffin was deeply entrenched in the elite, inner circle of Ground Zero. He attended four meetings daily. He worked 18 to 20 hours a day. He didn't mind being called Jethro Clampett, taking it as a gesture of friendship from his new northern pals. He attended the World Series at Yankee Stadium and sat behind Mayor Rudy Guiliani."
http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangl ... ocus5.html

sure seem like they'd have had better things to do in middle of that october.
oops, just found this, it means nothing (that we know of so far) to our tale but apparently j mccain went to that series also with rudy. i wonder if they all went together?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... paign.html
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Postby dbcooper41 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:02 pm

http://web.archive.org/web/200411181630 ... 11146.html

sorry, try this one.
and i just had the weirdest thing happen, when i opened ri the thread on assasinations and unexplained deaths popped up. :oops: must be the fullish moon. :lol:
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Postby StarmanSkye » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:35 pm

The following link seems to belong on this thread also; It describes a possible, plausable theory for the demolition of the WTC towers using incendiary and explosive thermatic materials, some disguised as steel column paint-like coatings and others sandwiched in-between ceiling tiles, and using RF-controlled micro-circuit detonators and other devices. It also explains how these materials which require high, extraordinary temperatures and overpressures to ignite thus forestalling accidental or premature ignition, could have been installed without arousing undue suspician, and explains how much of their incendiary and explosive properties would be masked by the kind of burning and physical destruction that was observed to happen, down to using many of the same materials although in greater and finely-adjusted amounts found in constructing the buildings and their contents.

While I suppose I too am somewhat an agnostic on the WTC destruction, I do lean towards controlled demolition as a most-likely cause and haven't lost my initial interest in the engineering and physics involved as well as the politics -- tho that interest has been quite moderated in the years since and as the crazy, dangerous duplicity of the power-mad PTB have further divided, confused and misled the US citizenry, leading to ever-greater abuses, corruption, frauds, extortion, murders and wars to both expand and disguise their agenda.

Hard rain's gonna fall alright, yet, when SHTF and the other shoes drop.



http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/ther ... nario.html

excerpt,
quote:

Preamble
The present scenario is a detailed hypothetical account of the method by which each of the Twin Towers was totally destroyed. Although the visible pattern of destruction of the North and South Towers differ in details, they both fit the same general description: The block above the crash zone starts to move, accompanied almost immediately by dust ejections, then disappears into the exploding dust cloud, which progresses down the vertical axis of the Tower's intact portion leaving nothing standing but portions of the core, which then falls apart. The similarities in the patterns of destruction, as well as the nearly identical structures of the Towers themselves, suggests that essentially the same method was used to destroy each Tower, with adjustments of that method to account for the differences in the plane crashes. The scenario is described for the general case of either Tower. It postulates that the plane crashes were planned and executed with some degree of precision, using their automated flight control systems, and the adjustments in the demolition method planned accordingly.

As noted in the summary of the aluminothermics evidence timeline, there is direct evidence for two broad types of thermitic pyrotechnics in the destruction of the Twin Towers:

Incendiaries, consisting of thermate or thermate possibly with additives such as barium nitrate.

Explosives, consisting of aluminothermic nanocomposites including compounds rich in silicon, carbon, and hydrogen to enhance blast pressure.

The scenario reflects this dichotomy in postulating that two distinct stages comprised the demolition of each Tower: a first stage in which strategically-placed thermitic incendiaries attack steelwork while the Tower is still standing, and a second stage in which widely distributed thermitic explosives shatter the Tower from top to bottom.
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Postby dbcooper41 » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:52 am

"The following link seems to belong on this thread also; It describes a possible, plausable theory for the demolition of the WTC towers using incendiary and explosive thermatic materials, some disguised as steel column paint-like coatings and others sandwiched in-between ceiling tiles, and using RF-controlled micro-circuit detonators and other devices. It also explains how these materials which require high, extraordinary temperatures and overpressures to ignite thus forestalling accidental or premature ignition, could have been installed without arousing undue suspician, and explains how much of their incendiary and explosive properties would be masked by the kind of burning and physical destruction that was observed to happen, down to using many of the same materials although in greater and finely-adjusted amounts found in constructing the buildings and their contents"


it's an interesting theory. i personally don't think rf was used for the controls. in 2001 it wasn't reliable enough for this application and it wasn't needed. but i could be wrong.
they had all the time they needed to run cables and controls through the chases and mech rooms. probably had work permits, etc. and got paid for the work. not many people involved in that whole system and iirc the building manager who would certainly know about such work was killed. i recall nothing to suggest he was an "evildoer".
they seem to have owned the elevator crew and they would have had access to the relevant areas of the entire building. they were doing "upgrades and modernization" for quite a while so there was ample time for install work.

but i seem to be straying from our tale :roll:
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Postby dbcooper41 » Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:13 pm

and if you'll look carefully at the page i posted in my initial posting in this thread you might notice what i consider a columbo moment(he was the guy who always said "you know, one thing bothers me", wasn't he?)


ok, since nobody will bite let me ask the gang something. after reading about our hero and how he so quickly became bestest buds with rudy, wolfie, and the rest of gang, as well as being proclaimed a prime contractor and the "Demolition Consultant for the Ground Zero site", doesn't it seem a bit odd that he was issued the 39th id card out of 40,000 workers onsite? there may be a perfectly legit explanation(somewhere, i'm looking, i have info on the id card system and who set it up and when) but it seems a little farfetched to me. he seems way too genteel to break in line like that.

http://mm.news-record.com/legacy/attack/exhibit08.htm

"His photo ID card, No. 39, was among the first of more than 40,000 issued to people who worked in and around ground zero."

just something to consider while i'm away eating black eyed peas.

good riddance to the current year. i'll see you all next year with much more to this tale.
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Postby barracuda » Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:09 pm

Mr. Cooper, in response to the first half of your OP, I'd have to say that is a bit weak. The demolition in question, of a 48 meter tall concrete tower, took weeks to pull off, and included "stripping the tower of all equipment and fittings, removing the scraper floor and all floor beams and support columns, diamond-saw cutting slots in the shell, making openings for the steel hinges; inserting and accurately aligning the massive steel hinges", and the drilling of about 600 holes to fill with explosives. So it's not as if this shit happened in minutes.

Nevertheless, it is important to know what is possible. I don't think anyone on the forum has any question that the demolition of the towers was possible. A more interesting question, to me, might be, was the collapse of the towers possible via the plane crashes alone?
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