69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

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69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:53 pm

Boat laden with surface-to-air missiles stopped in Finland on its way to China

Around 160 tonnes of explosives and 69 surface-to-air missiles have been found by Finnish officials on a cargo ship bearing a British flag and ultimately destined for China, authorities say. They said they did not know the origin of the Patriot missiles or who was supposed to receive them.

The Thor Liberty sailed from the north German port of Emden on 13 December and two days later docked in Kotka, southern Finland, to pick up a cargo of anchor chains, officials said. Its final destination was Shanghai, but it was not clear whether that was where the arms shipment was going, officials said.

Detective Superintendent Timo Virtanen of the National Bureau of Investigation said dock workers found massive amounts of picric acid – an explosive – and the missiles as they were loading the chains and alerted inspectors.

Some of the explosives were not stored properly, the customs spokesman Petri Lounatmaa said, adding that an investigation was launched into a possible breach of Finnish export and weapons trading laws and that the cargo would be impounded if determined to be illegal.

"At this stage we don't know where it was loaded on the ship or if the Thor Liberty planned a drop before its port of destination in China," Lounatmaa said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/de ... land-china


This is ringing bells, wasn't there another Scandinavian arms/ ship related story along similar lines a couple of years back?
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Gnomad » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:46 pm

Are you thinking about the hijacked ship story?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24803
"Arctic Sea" ship hijacked
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Gnomad » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:49 pm

"Helsingin Sanomat" now reports that the Finnish army has taken control of the missiles, but they are still aboard the ship and will be moved ashore later. No other info as yet, except that the authorities have contacted Germany to query them about the ship.

Update:
Now HS reports that the Minister of the Interior Päivi Räsänen has told the media, late on Wed afternoon, that a signature of a South Korean officer (rank lieutenant colonel) was on a manifest of the containers contents. Contents were listed as "Fireworks".

The ship was supposed to sail from Germany to Finland, and from there through China, to ultimately arrive in South Korea. The explosives that were found with the missiles were legally en route to China, although they were packed against regulations (should have been in containers instead of packed in 25 kg crates). The explosives will be on their way once they have been correctly packed.

The fate of the missiles is under investigation.

Source in finnish:
http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/Sis%C3%A4minis ... 5551880040
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby gnosticheresy_2 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:04 pm

Gnomad wrote:Are you thinking about the hijacked ship story?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24803
"Arctic Sea" ship hijacked


Yeah that's the one, sailing from Finland with a Russian crew wasn't it? <edit> I should read responses properly. S Korea makes sense, though why the subterfuge?
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby dbcooper41 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:32 pm

S Korea makes sense, though why the subterfuge?

considering the events in north korea this would be a fine time for a false flag op on the korean peninsula.
i wonder how long the trip takes by boat?

this story reminds me on the missile bearing ship heading to yemen a few years back. for some reason the bush admin decided to honor international law for a change.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2002-12-12/us/27302183_1_provision-under-international-law-yemen-shipment-of-scud-missiles
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:19 pm

Isn't Finland a bit out of the way for a trip from Germany to China?
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:37 pm

Stephen Morgan wrote:Isn't Finland a bit out of the way for a trip from Germany to China?


Eastern German port, Northeast passage?!
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby 82_28 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 7:35 pm

Why not an even 70?
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Freitag » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:10 pm

82_28 wrote:Why not an even 70?


lol
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Dradin Kastell » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:43 am

An update on YLE: the Thor Liberty was in trouble due to a storm in the Archipelago Sea when arriving to Finland about 10 days ago, and was forced to request pilot assistance to take shelter off the island of Nötö. The pilot, Kaj Wikberg, says that the ship didn't have charts for the area and that the cargo of explosives was already in disarray at the time...

The Defence Forces have now removed the missiles from the ship.

Source (Finnish): http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2011/12/ohjuslaiva_joutui_matkallaan_vaaralliseen_myrskyyn_3123325.html


Stephen Morgan wrote:Isn't Finland a bit out of the way for a trip from Germany to China?


Apparently, the ship was to load an additional cargo of 2800 tons of anchor chain and a paper machine to take to China. A pretty valuable cargo, it seems, and well worth the detour. The missiles were discovered as they were preparing to start the loading of the chain.

Whoever would benefit from the ship's voyage was trying to make a real killing with minimum effort.

Or it was due to sink. The poorly loaded explosives, the missiles with their warheads and propelling charges attached, the (possibly loose) anchor chain and heavy machinery make a highly volatile combination already on the wintery Baltic Sea, let alone travelling half way across the world.
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:49 am

Dradin Kastell wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:Isn't Finland a bit out of the way for a trip from Germany to China?


Apparently, the ship was to load an additional cargo of 2800 tons of anchor chain and a paper machine to take to China. A pretty valuable cargo, it seems, and well worth the detour. The missiles were discovered as they were preparing to start the loading of the chain.


Ah. I was wondering if it was heading for the Stalin canal, but I don't think it'd fit anyway.

Do China, who make everything else, not make chain or paper machines?
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Dradin Kastell » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:04 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:Do China, who make everything else, not make chain or paper machines?


I don't know about the anchor chain (inquiries are being made :wink), but I think the business with the paper machine might be due to a paper mill relocation from Finland to China. So maybe not a new machine, but one taken from a closed Finnish site and due to be installed in a new one in China. Cheaper to transport the old machine than to build a new one...
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Dradin Kastell » Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:40 am

Google Translated from bild.de:

http://www.bild.de/news/ausland/waffenschmuggel/finnische-polizei-stoppt-raketen-frachter-21712462.bild.html

69 Patriot missiles and 150 tons of explosives

Finnish Police stops missile freighter

On cargo ship Finnish police find explosives and missiles

Source: Reuters
22.12.2011 - 07:45 clock

Helsinki - Danish freighter on an explosive finding: The Finnish police have discovered on board the ship "Thor Liberty" 69 Patriot missiles and 150 tons of explosives. The weapons were loaded in Papenburg (Emsland).

The explosive cargo fell to the investigators during a routine inspection at the port of the southern Finnish town of Kotka. The ship, sailing under the British flag belongs to the Danish shipping company "Thorco".

According to the customs office in Oldenburg this is a legal delivery by the Federal Government to the Republic of Korea. German customs have available the necessary export approvals.

Nevertheless, the Finnish police stopped the "Thor Liberty" on their way to Shanghai, China. The reason is said to have had the vessel not be allowed to transport missiles and explosives.

The missile freighter in the harbor and is being investigated by the police and the customs authorities. The 23 crew members are questioned.

Investigations were initiated against the shipping company. The shipping company boss wants to know nothing of the smuggling allegations of illegal arms shipments.

Thomas Mikkelsen was surprised and didn't want to comment about the controversial missile find on his freighter.



So: the missile shipment was sent by the German government to South Korea. The export licenses from Germany are in order, but nobody bothered to file papers with the Finnish authorities about transporting military grade weapons through the country. Unlicensed transport of weapons carries a maximum sentence of four years in prison under Finnish law.

The shipping company says it didn't know anything about the cargo, and a company employee has suggested that the missiles "were loaded on the wrong ship". The ship's crew is being questioned by the Finnish police.

Thorco is a small Danish firm established in 2003, owning about 15 freighters and additionally leasing about the same number. Apparently it is what one might call a "low cost shipping company", making its profits in "tramp" trade and cutting its overhead by keeping the ships' idle and layover times at minimum. The crews seem to come from countries with lower wages, in this time from Ukraine. The company has been growing fast during the last few years and has offices in Denmark, Germany, United States, Italy, Hong Kong, Brazil and Singapore.

Homepage: http://www.thorcoshipping.com

Info: http://www.fyens.dk/article/1640323:Svendborg-som-soefartsby--Rederi-vokser-med-raketfart (in Danish)
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Stephen Morgan » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:25 am

I saw on another board someone claiming that the ship was owned by Maersk.

But the crate being on the wrong ship wouldn't explain why they were wrongly packed in a crate rather than a container, or why they were labelled fireworks.
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Re: 69 Patriot missiles seized en route to China

Postby Gnomad » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:28 am

Dradin Kastell wrote:
Stephen Morgan wrote:Do China, who make everything else, not make chain or paper machines?


I don't know about the anchor chain (inquiries are being made :wink), but I think the business with the paper machine might be due to a paper mill relocation from Finland to China. So maybe not a new machine, but one taken from a closed Finnish site and due to be installed in a new one in China. Cheaper to transport the old machine than to build a new one...


Yes, most likely this. Probably not a relocation per se, but used machines being sold as unneeded.

They have sold many used (even 60/70s built) paper machines to China previously, even old machines are worth quite a lot, and several paper mills have closed here in recent years - they keep only the most modern mills running, those also being the ones that require the least personnel running them. Labor costs are the easiest to cut in that business, and paper prices are so low that even the best, latest machines are not necessarily turning a profit.
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