Alternative Visions to Denver Airport NWO Murals

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Oh I know! Totally. I roasted over 30 pounds of Hatch Chiles last summer! Restaurants just don't have it though up here. Nobody has any clue about green chile in the PNW. They don't even know what it is.

Au contraire, I bought some from New Mexico at a local market. Frozen, granted. Made a great kinda chile verde. Maybe talk to some farm market folks, you never know. Did you bring the chiles from Colorado, and how do you store and use them?
Sorry to derail, pm me if you like.

No. My local supermarket ships them in when in season and I buy it by the case. BUT! You just can't get it any old time like you can in NM or CO and other places that know of it.

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Also, for anybody reading this thread. Go back to the last post on page 3. I don't want anyone to miss that as per the topic. The green chile part is extraneous and I knocked my comment off the meat of the matter by posting again. HMW may like it too!

[Allegro]

...Go down the road to the Air Force Academy and Colorado Springs -- now there's an institution of Death, Ueber Alles -- and check out the all-too living "Christian nation." It's not Christian in a sense the New Testament Christ character would recognize, but very Christian in the way it's meant by those Americans who would call this a "Christian nation." [Refer].

Here's an update wrt the “Christian nation.”

“Underground” Group of Cadets Say
Air Force Academy Controlled by Evangelicals
Global Research | October 1, 2010 | t r u t h o u t

An anonymous cadet at the US Air Force Academy (USAFA) spoke out against alleged religious discrimination at the school last week, saying that some cadets must pretend to be evangelical Christians in order to maintain standing among their peers and superiors. In an email to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), the whistleblower stated that he is part of an “underground group” of about 100 cadets who cannot rely on proper channels to confront evangelical pressure.

The email, published by Veterans Today, applauds the MRFF from the “underground” and indicates that the academy is “literally overrun with Christian conservative fanatics.”

The MRFF and allies from a myriad of civil rights and interfaith groups sent a letter Tuesday to the Department of Defense (DoD) detailing the cadet’s email and other startling complaints, including testimony from the parents of an academy graduate who believe their daughter was “methodically brain washed” by a fundamentalist group there, demanding an investigation of the academy and the evangelical academy ministry Cadets for Christ.

The MRFF is also demanding the DoD pressure the USAFA to publicly release the results of a study of the religious climate at the academy.

Academy leadership announced last month that the results would not be released, which angered the anonymous cadet who contacted the MRFF.

Results of the so-called “Climate Study” leaked to the press, and “353 cadets (almost 1 out of every 5 survey participants) reported having been subjected to unwanted religious proselytizing, and 23 cadets (13 of them Christians) reported living ‘in fear of their physical safety’ because of their religious beliefs,” according to the MRFF.

Mikey Weinstein, a USAFA graduate and MRFF founder, told Truthout that USAFA Superintendent Lt. Gen. Mike Gould was dishonest about the results of the Climate Study, and told the public that everything was fine at the academy without releasing the actual results. He said it’s time for a legitimate investigation of the “fundamentalist culture” in the academy.

“That commander’s report belongs to the public because [Gould] lied to the American people,” Weinstein said. “Until August of this year, I was supporting Gould and the Academy, now it is obvious that was a mistake.”

The USAFA issued a press release earlier this month after the MRFF alleged that dozens of cadets had come forward and complained about the improper and cult-like evangelism practiced by Cadets for Christ.

“Upon learning of this allegation, Lt. Gen. Mike Gould, USAFA superintendent, directed an immediate review of the claim,” the release states. “To date, the allegation is not substantiated. Throughout his tenure as Superintendent, General Gould has repeatedly emphasized the necessity for religious accommodation and respect.”

Weinstein received the email from the anonymous cadet after this initial spat with the academy and Gould.

The email describes a group of cadets who don’t fit the Protestant evangelical stereotype; they’re Catholics, mainstream Protestants, LGBT, atheists or agnostic. They tell Weinstein that his earlier advice to “trust the system” and take their grievances up the chain of command has failed, and they are forced to pretend to be something they are not. In order to achieve and prosper in the academy, these cadets pretend to be evangelicals and even attend Bible studies to avoid being “outed.”

“Despite the Cadet Honor Code we all lie about our lives,” the anonymous cadet writes. “We have to. We don’t have a choice. Thus we are all ‘invisible’ to our tormentors. They will never find us. My own parents don’t know. Only my fiancée knows and he/she is one of my classmates and a fellow member of our underground group. I keep ‘Christian’ books and ‘Christian’ CD’s in my room so others will be fooled and leave me alone and not suspect that I’m not actually with the USAFA ‘Christianity is the Only Way’ program here, even though I consider myself to be a Christian.”

The cadet reports that, in response to the MRFF’s attempt to hold USAFA leaders accountable, the academy’s public affairs office included anti-MRFF blog posts from Christian Fighter Pilot in a blanket email containing news clips about the USAFA to the entire academy.

The blog, constantly at odds with Weinstein and the MRFF, reports deflecting a MRFF lawsuit earlier this year. Weinstein said the MRFF is considering future legal action.

In its letter to the DoD, the MRFF maintains that the Christian Fighter Pilot “God and Country” blog has spread personal attacks and lies about the foundation. The MRFF is also concerned about a blog post included in the mass email regarding ministry group Cadets for Christ, although it is unclear if the blogger is associated with Cadets for Christ.

Cadets and graduates, as well as concerned parents of several cadets and graduates, have contacted the MRFF with serious concerns about Cadets for Christ, according to the letter to Gates.

The letters details the startling testimony of two Catholic parents of a 2010 graduate who, at first, were happy to hear that their daughter joined a Bible study group at the academy. That was before they discovered that their daughter was being taught that her “career should be that of a wife and mother,” and in Biblical terms, “the female is the sheep and the male is the shepherd.”

“Our daughter was methodically brain washed into believing that she was unsaved in the Catholic religion,” the anonymous parents wrote in an email to the MRFF. “During spring break 2009, she urgently asked that we read the Bible everyday in order to ‘receive the grace of God and be saved.’ This manner of speech took us completely off guard.”

“This invisible force has rocked our family to the core. Two sisters no longer talk to one another. A mother has been asked to no longer contact her daughter. A father tries very hard to keep some sense of equilibrium in the family. This is what our family has become. Nevertheless, we will continue our attempts to bring our daughter back to us - we will never give up hope.”

“As parents, it is very difficult to see your child change in a manner that you no longer recognize her as your own. We grossly underestimated the power of this group. Being at such a geographical distance, coupled with the rigors of the USAFA, it becomes more difficult to monitor behavioral changes until they have taken deep root. Do you have any idea how it feels to grieve the loss of a child who is alive and healthy? THE AIR FORCE ACADEMY ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN!”

The Christian Fighter Pilot blog claims the MRFF attack on Cadets for Christ for being a “cult” is hypocritical, and a cult has every right to be a cult as long as it does not break any civil or military laws.

“The restrictions on the free exercise of what Weinstein calls a ‘Christian cult’ are no different than those on any other faith or non-faith group in the military, including what some may have called a ‘pagan cult’ for which the Air Force Academy created a chapel earlier this year,” according to the blog. “The fact that Weinstein has heartburn over the Christian content of this group is irrelevant to their right to free exercise, though it does highlight the fact his goal isn’t ‘religious freedom’ after all.”

As of Wednesday, the Cadets for Christ web site appears to be down. The Colorado Independent reported that its organizers did not respond to a request for an interview.

The MRFF represents nearly 20,000 members of the military, more than 90 percent of them are Christians, according to Weinstein, who is a member of the Truthout board of advisers.

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"DURING MOST OF THE 20TH CENTURY, the type of propaganda that has been hurled at academic artists is so insidious that people have been literally trained to discredit, out-of-hand, any work containing well-crafted figures or elements, or any other evidence of technical mastery. All the beauty and subtlety of emotions, -- interplay of composition, design and theme, -- the interlacing of color, tone and mood, -- are never seen. The viewer has been taught that academic painting on a prima facie basis is bad by definition -- bad by virtue of its resorting to the use of human figures, themes or stories and objects from the real world.

Prestige suggestion causes them to automatically assume that a work must be great if it's by any of the "big names" of modern art, so they at once start looking for reasons why it must be proclaimed great. Any failing to find greatness is not considered a failing in the art but in the intelligence and sensibilities of the viewer. Students operating under that kind of intimidating pressure, you can be sure, will find greatness - no matter what they are looking at.

The reverse of this has been trained into them when they view academic paintings. They have been taught that works exhibiting realistic rendering are "bad art" and therefore any good that is seen is not due to qualities inherent in their artistic accomplishments, but are rather due to a lack of intelligence and taste in the viewer. The same intimidating pressure works in reverse to ensure that a work by Bouguereau, Lord Leighton, Burne-Jones, Gérôme, Frederick Hart, or any of the rest of you here, will not be seen as anything other than bad by definition.

No student in a school with this kind of dictatorial brain-washing will ever risk exploring or even listening to opposing views, for fear of being stigmatized from that point on, with some undesirable label and being universally despised ... sadly, a very effective deterrent to independent thought. Thus the visual experience of well-drawn representational elements is perceived as a negative, ad hominem, that proves with knee-jerk automaticity the presumed "badness" of the art and its creator.

It is especially ironic that these are the same people who trumpet the virtues and inalienable right to freedom of speech, while they surreptitiously and steadfastly conspire to remove that freedom from those with whom they disagree. "

None of this is necessarily true,btw - authors opinion. I speak as an artist, studied at one of the UKs most prestigious art schools. As far as I'm aware it's always left up to art students to find a way of working - one can reject, say, drawing or embrace it. Institutions and teachers do not dictate though some schools do gravitate towards specialisms. No brainwashing of students goes on and no one is despised for their views or skills or leanings. Broad church is art.

[The Consul]

...Go down the road to the Air Force Academy and Colorado Springs -- now there's an institution of Death, Ueber Alles -- and check out the all-too living "Christian nation." It's not Christian in a sense the New Testament Christ character would recognize, but very Christian in the way it's meant by those Americans who would call this a "Christian nation." [Refer].

Years ago in a fugue state of sorts I wandered on campus with a ghostly pale schizpophrenic fellow who had clothes hangers wired upside down to his cowboy hat and the shoulders of his hunting vest with bits of multi colored cloth streaming in the breeze. I had picked him up on the side of the road where he said he was waiting for the transportellemutation occurence. I asked him if he was hungry and he said only for a happy meal. He told me the real place of the transportellemtation was in the apex zone (which turned out to be the AF Academy campus).
So around a walkway we went and saw a woman with a small crowd gathered round her. She was waving a bible in the air. I could only assume the young men around her were cadets. She was saying something about the everlasting forgiveness for our never ending sins. This sparked outrage in my fellow traveller and he screamed.
"What's your name!"
She stopped, she had on a sexy white dress with a pattern of red roses and small hearts. She looked like (and I later learned was) an ex stripper.
"Why," she answered, "I am known as sister Cindy."
"Well, Cindy, I am known as Tot Four Ninety and your spoutin off a load of shit."
Some of the lads looked at him, their pecs quivering.
"Jesus loves you, ' she said.
"Yeah, well your mother sucks cock in hell!"
It wasn't quite a life flash before your eyes moment, but for an instant I wondered how I would escape the fury of the twelve oclock high brigade. But to my great relief, after an awkward moment of silence, they all burst out laughing and the good sister went off in search of another perch.
I left Tot Four Ninety there to search for his time warp.
This was before the poison set in to the very marrow, I suppose, for later in the day I had a flat and got a free Tibetan eye chart from the guy who fixed it and shared a cigarrette rolled with hash oil with him.
Can't imagine what it's like there now.

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That's a damned good micro-story Consul.

[Luther Blissett]

A few years ago I attended a big national design conference in Denver, held of course at the conference center downtown with the giant blue bear peering through the windows.

For financial reasons, I was late to reserve a hotel room and all the hotels in the downtown area were booked. I found a nice room at a hotel in Cherry Creek, which, while on a map appearing to be pretty close to downtown, was actually pretty far away. I simply assumed that there would be ample public transportation for me to utilize and booked it.

When I arrived, the room was pretty awesome, with floors made of rough-hewn lacquered stone. For my first foray to the conference center I caught the hotel shuttle that heads downtown, easy enough. This being a design conference, all the after-hours parties went easily into the early morning hours. No shuttle, no bus, no train, nothing. I walked through those Capitol Hill, Governor's Park, Speer neighborhood streets and down Speer Avenue every night at 3 and 4 in the morning in the warm October night. It was surreal, safe, isolated, dark, and quiet.

On my last day I had to check out at 11 and wait for my flight, which was departing pretty late at night. I went to lunch in the Cherry Creek neighborhood which was rife with restaurants I had been waiting for the opportunity to try, and then to the Cherry Creek Mall to catch a movie (and maybe to pull a double header and sneak into a second show so as to kill more time, which I failed at). This was Sunday so the mall closed around 5. It started raining and I just wandered around those even darker streets further southeast with my luggage in the rain. I somehow found myself in a "gated" community (no gate) and was eventually ushered out. I must've looked really strange walking around in my waterproof snowboarding jacket in hard rain carrying a suitcase. I believe this was Belcaro and Glendale. I finally found a bookstore and sat down to read until I found it time to try to catch a cab to the airport.

The cab fee was metered for some godawful reason, came to $85 with tip, and I overdrafted my account.

That's the last time I was in DIA and suffice it to say, I was in a really weird headspace.

[The Consul]

As Kerouack said of Denver and Butte, "all one high iron mainway". Some things you get without all the epistemology.

Like standing in SeaTac 1999, taking a Cambodian friend toward his first flight back home since year zero and finding yourself in a flock of monks as they circle about him, each one stuffing an envelope with cash inside his jacket.

Butte magic of ignorance is no Butte
All one high iron mainway
Denver is the same
-JK

[norton ash]

Butte magic of ignorance is no Butte
All one high iron mainway
Denver is the same
-JK

The 10th Inning, Ken Burns' newer baseball documentary for PBS (on like 10 days ago) had stories of Dominican minor-leaguers in the 60's in 70's who left the island all fired up with their visions of America, and started their careers in Butte. They were a little freaked out.

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Here's the Denver I grew up in:





I suppose back in the day Denver and Butte had a lot in common and Kerouac had it exactly right, there still are places that seem rustic and tumbleweedy.

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That reminds me. I think I have a cool old picture of Colorado Springs I used to use as a desktop background. Lessee if I can find it.

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Whoops. Sorry. It's a big one. Hope I didn't stretch the page and resolves down for everyone.

[The Consul]

Butte magic of ignorance is no Butte
All one high iron mainway
Denver is the same
-JK

The 10th Inning, Ken Burns' newer baseball documentary for PBS (on like 10 days ago) had stories of Dominican minor-leaguers in the 60's in 70's who left the island all fired up with their visions of America, and started their careers in Butte. They were a little freaked out.

At one point most the players spoke spanish and the manager was Japanese who could barely speak english. It was true comical chaos.....until....Bill Murray bought the team.

[The Consul]

Here's the Denver I grew up in:





I suppose back in the day Denver and Butte had a lot in common and Kerouac had it exactly right, there still are places that seem rustic and tumbleweedy.

as opposed to: http://click.si.edu/Image.aspx?image=479&story=273&back=Story Robert Frank's journey is a beat like back drop to those western times in the great struggle along the overthrust belt.

[Twyla LaSarc]

The 10th Inning, Ken Burns' newer baseball documentary for PBS (on like 10 days ago) had stories of Dominican minor-leaguers in the 60's in 70's who left the island all fired up with their visions of America, and started their careers in Butte. They were a little freaked out.

Slightly off-topic, but I was delighted to hear that Marcos Breton was included in this program as one of the interveiwees for the history of latinos in baseball. My husband has known his family for many years and we even once spent a wonderful thanksgiving at his place (where I amazed all by dismembering a turkey in minutes to throw on the grill when it became apparent that there had been a serious miscalculation in baking times...). I have seen some of his other serious articles, but had no idea he was such an authority on baseball history. He's a great guy, and I heartily reccommend his writing.
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