Mystery Missile Launch Seen off Calif. Coast

[AhabsOtherLeg]

Sorry. Wrong Thread.

[nathan28]

After watching Jon Stewart "de-bunk" the missile theory with the "it's a plane theory" I couldn't help wondering why no debunker has checked aircraft schedules to produce the actual plane that was supposedly flying like a missile. They have schedules don't they? Giant jumbo jets don't just depart whenever the pilot feels the urge right? I'm almost positive airplanes are tracked on radar. Then again, maybe they abandoned that practice after Reagan canned the air traffic controllers back in the 80s. They just never bothered telling anyone.

I believe that there is one plane that may have matched the possible location.

The fact that Stewart "de-bunk[ed]" this really only confirms my suspicions that the news outlets have largely abandoned the journalistic enterprise. Like I said, how fucking hard is it to:

1. get background or quotes from a NOAA or NGA dude on those memos
2. get the pentagon PR people
3. interview / get background from someone not in pentagon PR at the pentagon
4. get quotes from an "expert" who thinks it isn't a missile
5. get quotes from an "expert" who thinks is a missile
6. IF IT WAS A PLANE THEN FUCKING ID THE FUCKING PLANE
7. ask the Chinese and Russian embassies and non-US NATO officials how they feel about it

I mean give me a fucking break. The fucking Norway Spiral earned an admission that it was a missile test. There's a goddamn story here with discrete start and stop points. I'm not talking CD nonsense here.

I can only think of a few things:

1. there's a full-court press to deny that any testing is taking place b/c it's unsanctioned. IOW, the US is a rogue state. Again.
2. it actually was a plane (THEN ID THE DAMN PLANE FOR FUCK'S SAKE). None of this bullshit conspiracy theorizing about "oh it's actually approaching the observer." Don't tell me, SHOW ME. As in, duces tecum. Assholes.
3. it was a plane and whatever happened was too much embarassment considering the engine failure incident from a few days ago

Right now, I am leaning towards:

4. it was a internat'lly sanctioned missile test but one with minimal intended fanfare. What we are seeing is the result of newspaper and other outlets having essentially ended the policy of having journalists who were/are assigned to specific gov't departments as part of their beats. This means that fuckwits like Stewart don't even have a person they can call who can reliably reach contacts outside the gov't PR organs. That's what's happening here. I've seen a number of stories where there has been exactly one quote from one expert and that is the entire extent of the story. "ONE EXPERT DENIES WHAT A BUNCH OF OTHERS CONFIRM" headlines where no one so much as made more than one phone call.

This leads me to:

5. the news media simply is not interested in exposing officials' lies anymore. It's a lot like how people under communist regimes routinely claim that while you couldn't trust the press to be honest, you could trust it to reliably lie, and not only that, but the editors and journalists would frequently report stories in code that would pass the censorship bureaus. Do we even have that here? It's hard to say. After all, I can imagine that this was a plane. The leading object--a veritable UFO at present--does resemble planes flying through dawn/dusk skies. Maybe the cloud is approaching me along the earth's arc rather than leading away. Maybe local atmospheric conditions effected the contrail, but see what I mean: Maybe maybe maybe. That's the only thing I can conclude from this.

What's really bothersome about this is that so many experts, gov't memos, observers do suggest this is a rocket. There's actual fucking documentation suggesting missiles are being tested. Why isn't this being followed? Because it's just "mass hysteria?" So far in six days there's two documents about missile testing, which is two more documents than 9/11 Truth has uncovered about CD in ten years. This isn't a conspiracy theory. It's a suppressed story. Suppressed by a free press, none the less, a press that has no prima facie interest in covering the story up.

So what the fuck is going on?

[Bruce Dazzling]

More swamp gas.



I live in Manhattan, and trust me, the jets that are visible flying over the city don't move anywhere near that fast.

[chump]

I've always figured that at least most of you are smarter than me. That's why I come here - to learn something; and then I try to kick in something whenever I think I can. But, sometimes I give people credit for more intelligence than they actually demonstrate to possess. Sometimes not enough. I have high expectations from this board. It has been a learning experience reading parts of this thread. I can't thank you enough.

Why ask the military anything? The military will tell you whatever they want you to hear - and it'll probably have nothing to do with the truth. Netwok news is basically an extension of the military. So they tell us what the military (or should I say the PTB) wants us to hear. Turn it into a psyop! Keep everyone's imagination spinning - ramping up the fear. There is a certain level of consternation that must be maintained. The threat of nuclear annihilation has hovered over us since I was a little kid.

It was a missile off the coast of California the other day. Obviously, it wasn't a plane. If it was, well... a person has to ask what's up with that contrail? You would think that the FAA and the military know exactly what is was. Maybe, the military does not want to tell everybody that they were conducting a test with the Japanese to shoot it down. http://cryptogon.com/?p=18669 Why? That's just the way they are! It's like Josh McDaniels and the Broncos. Or the Mossad: "By way of deception, thou shalt do war!" We are at war. Always have been and always will.

I know, I know, I know: You already know that.

Carry on...

[barracuda]

Why ask the military anything? The military will tell you whatever they want you to hear - and it'll probably have nothing to do with the truth.

Totally agree. But this is interesting anyway, from your link:

Thomas G. McInerney, Retired United States Air Force Lieutenant General: “That is a missile, it’s launched from a submarine… I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft.”

[Nordic]

I've always figured that at least most of you are smarter than me. That's why I come here - to learn something; and then I try to kick in something whenever I think I can. But, sometimes I give people credit for more intelligence than they actually demonstrate to possess. Sometimes not enough. I have high expectations from this board. It has been a learning experience reading parts of this thread. I can't thank you enough.

Why ask the military anything? The military will tell you whatever they want you to hear - and it'll probably have nothing to do with the truth. Netwok news is basically an extension of the military. So they tell us what the military (or should I say the PTB) wants us to hear. Turn it into a psyop! Keep everyone's imagination spinning - ramping up the fear. There is a certain level of consternation that must be maintained. The threat of nuclear annihilation has hovered over us since I was a little kid.

It was a missile off the coast of California the other day. Obviously, it wasn't a plane. If it was, well... a person has to ask what's up with that contrail? You would think that the FAA and the military know exactly what is was. Maybe, the military does not want to tell everybody that they were conducting a test with the Japanese to shoot it down. http://cryptogon.com/?p=18669 Why? That's just the way they are! It's like Josh McDaniels and the Broncos. Or the Mossad: "By way of deception, thou shalt do war!" We are at war. Always have been and always will.

I know, I know, I know: You already know that.

Carry on...

Yeah, Chump, but what was weird about this one is that the military didn't have an answer already prepared. They seem to have been caught off guard. I think that's what's causing the consternation.

Also, if it was a plane, they could easily tell you exactly what flight it was, where it came from, where it was going, how many people on board, etc. They aren't doing that.

That's what's weird about it, is that the military's own PR machine seems to be going "oops, WTF are we supposed to tell them?"

[barracuda]

That's what's weird about it, is that the military's own PR machine seems to be going "oops, WTF are we supposed to tell them?"

It sounded to me as if an old lady had farted at a tea party, and everyone sort of says, "oh my - what on earth could that have been? Dear me, I have no idea! And etc." In other words, just the reaction we have come to expect from the revelation of any small corner of the classified/black areas of our militaries.

[Nordic]

Sorry, but I'm laughing my ass off, imagining this enormous rocket and its plume of smoke coming out of an old woman's ass at a tea party ..

[justdrew]

sorry if I'm mucking up the echo chamber but I've posted twice about the exact plane who's contrail it possibly was. The last link to the google search on it also posts flight logs that allow you to see awe808's flight path. The flight goes every day, subsequent days have people been looking for it to make similar contrails? Of course the sun will be in a slightly different position at the same time of flight but only a few days shouldn't make much difference. maybe.

The thing of it is, if they'd just kept the damn cameras on it longer it would be clear. If it was AWE808, it would have continued on toward phoenix.

[nathan28]

Why ask the military anything? The military will tell you whatever they want you to hear - and it'll probably have nothing to do with the truth.

Totally agree. But this is interesting anyway, from your link:

Thomas G. McInerney, Retired United States Air Force Lieutenant General: “That is a missile, it’s launched from a submarine… I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft.”

That is my point. Every expert with his hat in his hand at the gov't change machine will tell you whatever you want to hear. That is in their job descriptions. This has been like a casting call for gov't stooges. What a real news outlet would have would have been a journalist who could have known that if he called up Lt. Gen. McInerney that McInerney would have the intestitinal fortitude to miss a few golf games with the PR dep't on account of willingness to say "gosh, that looks exactly like a bunch of the rockets we fired out of submarines".

Instead we have "journalists" printing up talking points from "think" tanks acting like that's journalism. It's the same shit that they accuse (rightly) bloggers of doing, cut-and-paste stories.

[Nordic]

My opinion of Jon Stewart, already having dropped a great deal, hit a new low last night as he basically mocked anyone who didn't believe the "it's a plane" story. Like he could tell WTF it was from his little studio in NYC.

[mulebone]

justdrew said:

sorry if I'm mucking up the echo chamber but I've posted twice about the exact plane who's contrail it possibly was.

I'm not disputing your claim, but it makes one wonder why all the "journalists" covering this story couldn't find out that fact, but you could.

It comes back to this:

the news outlets have largely abandoned the journalistic enterprise.

Although that isn't exactly a revelation is it? After all, one has to wonder at the serendipity involved in ensuring that all "good" female TV journalists are photogenic. That's a coincidence that stretches credulity to the shattering point. And seriously, if journalists spent as much time dissecting a politician's claims as ESPN spent dissecting a football game we wouldn't be as far up shit creek as we are.

[MarkM]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rod ... 96767.html

Maybe the evangelicals are feeling their oats after the election.

[Occult Means Hidden]

My intuition is that the Russians sold a ballistic missile sub to the Chinese (or built one independently) within the last 20 years. It's been secret until now and given a very public demonstration as response to the increased and subtle American positioning against China. I'm sure it's given its position and is now being escorted by American naval power back to China. The nearest aircraft carrier was quick to get on the move - complete with cover story, wasn't it?

Edit: Don't forget the recent announcement from the Japanese that they plan on building six more submarines in the near future to counter any Chinese threat. Look for an uptick in American investment in submarines in the near future.

[justdrew]

from blog.bahneman.com

I wonder if I'm the first to call it, the reported unexplained missile launch off the coast of California, was US Airways 808.

I did a lot of extrapolation of what flights could be at the right position (off the coast) at the right altitude (for contrail formation) and came down to two possibilities: UPS flight 902 (UPS902) or US Airways flight 808 (AWE808).

As I was researching tonight (24 hours later), I realized that today's AWE808 current position (at around 4:50pm) was almost the same as it was the day of the incident. I quickly pulled up a Newport Beach webcam and found tha (apparently) AWE808 was making an identical contrail, 24 hours later!

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Compare the above webcam image to the KCBS footage:

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The comparison is quite clear. A remarkably similar, less-hyped, contrail created by the same flight almost exactly 24 hours later!

So, based on that, and the flight track of AWE808 24 hours earlier, I believe the mysterious missile off the coast of California on November 8, 2010, was in fact the contrail of US Airways flight 808, a flight originating in Honolulu , HI (PHNL) and ending in Phoenix (KPHX).

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