Giffords subscribed to shooter's Youtube channel

[Crow]

I wonder if he was on his mom's health insurance? There's a good angle to place blame. Lack of mental health parity. At 22 though, it's likely he was cut off from the mom's main plan, and I bet they weren't paying for some separate insurance for him.

Ironically, under evil Obamacare he would have been able to stay on his mom's insurance until age 26.

[8bitagent]

I wonder if he was on his mom's health insurance? There's a good angle to place blame. Lack of mental health parity. At 22 though, it's likely he was cut off from the mom's main plan, and I bet they weren't paying for some separate insurance for him.

Ironically, under evil Obamacare he would have been able to stay on his mom's insurance until age 26.

I'm sure in the minds of tea party right wing America, even paying for physical and mental health of returning vets and ground zero rescue workers is "evil socialism".

[Joe Hillshoist]

I've seen on another blog that Loughner was known for making threats, but never arrested because his mother was a government employee. Will try to find the link.

right wing bullshit to smear the sheriff, who's said some very accurate things about right-wing media personalities.

So becuz he's said some things you are in agreement with re: "right-wing media personalities" that means he and his office / officers couldn't possibly have received multiple warnings from others about Loughner nor actually arrested him previously (on paraphernalia charges) as has been alleged?

EDIT TO ADD:

Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers.

http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/201 ... ks-office/

Of course the about page for that site (Cholla Jumps) is interesting...

James Kelley is a native of Tucson, born here in 1961. A Navy veteran, he graduated twice from the Defense Language Institute in Monterey CA majoring in Albanian and Persian-Farsi. He was a Balkan area, Middle East North Africa, Southwest Asia, and Gulf Area analyst for the Naval Security Group and the National Security Agency. He received his Bachelor of Science in Sociology from the University of the State of New York, Albany. Since leaving the service he has worked as a premium cruise line representative, telecommunications specialist, real estate broker, and as a substitute teacher in local school districts.

Presently, Mr. Kelley is a contributing columnist for the Arizona News-Telegraph and the Executive Director of SocialNetworkingWatchdog.Org, a 501(c)3 non-profit organization dedicated to educating youth and seniors on personal security while using social networking.

He is politically active supporting conservative causes and serves as a precinct committeeman in the 29th Legislative District for the Pima County Republican party and a State Committeeman for the Arizona GOP.

He is the father of 2, James and Victoria , and the grandfather of Essemai Sophia and Lucien Francisco.

http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/abo ... lla-jumps/

Well, I don't believe his mom's position is particularly consequential, and have a hard time believing that any non-arresting deference would be made because of her job.

I'm curious how this James Kelley could possibly have came by this information?

It certainly sounds as though JLL was in some kind of mental health intervention program based on James Kelley's hearsay about what the sheriff said to people complaining about death threats.

JK just posted this:

Since my last post concerning Jared Loughner and his past encounters with law enforcement, it appears that many people want and demand that my source for the information I posted be disclosed.

First and foremost, I struggled with ever writing the post I wrote. I had to source the puzzle pieces and vet the information with people who assured me they had first hand information regarding Jared Loughner. I wanted documentation. Unfortunately the mere possesion of the documentation would be a violation of HIPPA laws and the track back would be detrimental to the livelyhoods and lives of the people involved.

Anyone in Law Enforcement or Mental Health in Pima County that ever had contact with Mr. Loughner is now in bunker mode. Everyone is afraid of lawsuits down the road. They are evaluating their behavior and checking to make sure they followed all rules governing the care of Jared Loughner.

Lawfully some of the people that had knowledge of Mr Loughner could never come forward without subpoena by a lawful authority. Others are just too afraid.

It is my sincere hope that transparency in the investigation will prevail. We are dealing with very big issues that will affect the prosecution and defense of Loughner.

That is the only thing that should be of concern to law enforcement at the moment.

people who received death threats from him in the past would have no reason not to talk about it now. Have any come forward? bloggers and local radio talk show hosts for instance? Hard to believe they'd all be silent about it.

Is this the same James Kelly that ran against her in the last election? (If I've been correctly informed that a james kelly did actually run against Gifford last election.)

[IanEye]

Is this the same James Kelly that ran against her in the last election? (If I've been correctly informed that a james kelly did actually run against Gifford last election.)

you are thinking of Jesse Kelly - http://tinyurl.com/2acyhwl

although it would be interesting to know if they are related....

[P45]

I made a screen recording before Giffords' channel page was changed showing the link to Loughners channel page if anyone wants it.

http://www.speedyshare.com/files/262202 ... 211926.wmv (1.29 MB)

[GuyWhoInventedFire]

Here's another intriguing angle to this story... I really don't want to link to that vile site GLP, so instead I'll just summarise an interesting post I noticed over there hinting at a mind control angle.

Susan Hileman brought her 9-year-old neighbour Christina Taylor Green to Rep. Giffords' event. We all know Taylor Green sadly was killed and Hileman was injured. Cornell University issued a press release stating:

Susan Hileman '73, a graduate of the College of Human Ecology, was shot three times by the gunman who also wounded U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Jan. 8 in Tucson, Ariz. Six people were killed and 14 people were wounded in the shooting. Hileman is in stable condition and is expected to recover... Hileman is married to William Hileman '72, a graduate of the College of Arts and Sciences. She is a retired social worker who maintains close ties to Cornell as chair and director of the Cornell Alumni Admissions Ambassador Network for the Cornell Club of Southern Arizona and as a member of the Human Ecology Alumni Association Board. She also served on her class's 30th Reunion Campaign Major Gifts Committee (2002-03).

http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/Jan11/Hileman.html

Said poster at said vile site looked into Cornell's 'College of Human Ecology' and found its origins rooted in a joint research project with the CIA that studied "how a man can be made to think, 'feel,' and behave according to the wishes of other men, and, conversely, how a man can avoid being influenced in this manner."

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/marks9.htm

[LilyPatToo]

The Human Ecology bunch, huh? Well that's interesting--! I don't know their current status re: CIA funding for mind control, but some of their early history is definitely dirty:

The CIA's key instrument for sponsoring basic research in psychology, sociology and anthropology in the decade from the mid-1950s to the mid-1960s was the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology, later called the Human Ecology Fund. Although accounts vary, according to Lawrence Hinkle, one of the founders of the Society and a professor at Cornell Medical Center, the origins of Human Ecology lie in a friendship between Allen Dulles and Harold Wolff, a prominent Cornell neuropsychiatrist who had cared for Dulles' son following a war injury. The return of American prisoners of war who had served in Korea evoked government and popular concern about the possible existence of "brainwashing." As director of the CIA, Dulles asked Wolff, an expert on stress, to find out what had happened to the POWs, and the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology was set up at Cornell Medical College to address this question through research on Chinese and Soviet methods of interrogation and indoctrination. Hinkle has said that he himself, as well as the Dean of Cornell Medical School, were aware of the Society's CIA origins.

How bizarre that someone with connections to them was a victim...I kinda expected the opposite to be true. Given the many years since they did behavior control work and John Marks' exposure of it, my guess would be that they've long since moved away from the field. But the victim was old enough to have been around since at least the latter years of its CIA work...hope more surfaces on this part of the puzzle.

LilyPat

[undead]

I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet, or sorry for posting it if someone did. This video is from September. I think don't that this guy was a remote controlled psychic assassin, but given the location it sort of illustrates the kind of no-control, all out violent chaos that allows the cartels to thrive. Personally I think that if there was any political motivation the judge would have been the real target, having ruled pro-immigrant recently. But hey, while we're floating mind control theories, maybe the cartels are a giant swarm of evil demons and they infected him from beyond the grave in order to facilitate drug smuggling in ultralight aircraft. It would make a pretty good science fiction story 10 years ago.

Oh, and this whole thing reminds me of Columbine. Harris and Kelbold both had the totally delusional ubermensch complex which is pretty much required to do this kind of thing outside of a military situation. It will be interesting to see the psychiatric diagnosis/conviction. I wonder if he was taking medication.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Is this the same James Kelly that ran against her in the last election? (If I've been correctly informed that a james kelly did actually run against Gifford last election.)

you are thinking of Jesse Kelly - http://tinyurl.com/2acyhwl

although it would be interesting to know if they are related....

Cheers big ears.

It would be.

It makes me less sus even if they are, cos maybe its just a case of local info, but its coming from someone I wouldn't normally trust.

That doesn't mean its untrustworthy I spose.