The UK’s pro-Israel lobby in context.

[coffin_dodger]

I see it more as crappy advertisments, interrupting interesting discourse.

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
from Sun Tzu's The Art of War

[American Dream]

I was slightly surprised to find this on an associated search:

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2013/04/ ... ti-semitic

Suspended Ukip candidate: 'I'm not anti-Semitic'

Friday, 26 April 2013


The new Holocaust memorial in Berlin. Ukip has once again had to distance itself from the far-right fringe, suspending a council candidate for alleged anti-Semitic remarks online.

By Tony Hudson

The Ukip candidate suspended for comments she allegedly made regarding the Holocaust has denied being anti-Semitic.

During a media firestorm Anna-Marie Crampton, who is set to stand for council election in East Sussex, strenuously denied accusations of anti-Semitism.

She took to Twitter to say she had "clearly been trolled".

"I'm not anti-Semitic. I never said I do not believe in the Holocaust," she posted.

Crampton was suspended by the eurosceptic party ahead of next week's local elections after comments attributed to her were posted on a conspiracy theory website questioning who was responsible for the Holocaust during the Second World War.

"Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers," Crampton allegedly wrote.

"The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist Jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today."

Ukip issued a statement saying anti-Zionist conspiracy theories were not welcome in the party and expressed confusion as to why their party would be supported by people holding such views.

"While she will still be on the ballot paper as a Ukip candidate we want voters in her district to realise that she is not representing the party and the people of east Sussex," said a spokesperson.

"Rest assured that her views are not held by the party and do not reflect the views of our other excellent candidates."

This is not the first time Ukip has had to distance itself from far-right supporters. Leader Nigel Farage recently rejected the endorsement of the English Defence League, who claimed the party was "saying exactly what we say, just in a different way".

[Searcher08]

I'm interested in this subject - particularly the conditioning of thought regarding questioning the official, set-in-stone narrative - because that's what I like to do, question everything. This is one of the very last taboos about which discussion (or discourse) is still firmly blocked by the vitriolic anger of the system meme, enforced by society members themselves, even if/when they have no skin in the game. I find this disturbing. And intriguing.

Thou shalt not discuss that which we deem inappropriate. We are right, you are heretic to suggest otherwise. It is case-closed and no further investigation shall be warranted. If you persist, we shall brand you 'anti-x' and lay the deaths of millions at your door as though you had pulled the levers yourself. We shall paint you as condoning mass extermination. You will be cast as a psychopath with intent.

Indeed, this is powerful mojo.

And quite fascinating to watch.

One of the curious things around this is that questioning about something like the Holocaust needs to be clear about whether it is tied to verifiable facts or feelngs/intuitions.

Saying question everything can be great, but what about questioning the questioning process itself?

I can say "I question whether 9/11... actually happened at all" and say
"I am just asking questions!!" and
"If you want to stop me questioning that PROVES it never happened" and
"There is not a scintilla of evidence that it happened at all" etc etc

I decided a long time ago post 9/11 to research the Holocaust and found that there was a lot of information put forward by 'researchers' which was just really frankly, really crappy thinking.
The most useful resource I came across was nizkor.org which is pretty forensic in addressing issues raised in real detail.

There is also the issue of motivations behind some of the people involved - and some of them would be queueing up to throw Zyklon-B canisters. If it wasnt Jews, they would be stringing up Blacks. Or doing both. You know what, for me the exact numbers and all that stuff is much less significant than the desire to exterminate a race; I see it as similar to the horrors in Rwanda.
Have you researched the Einsatzgruppen?

[coffin_dodger]

Have you researched the Einsatzgruppen?

Pretty unpleasant people.

[American Dream]

"Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers," Crampton allegedly wrote.

"The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist Jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today."

What do folks here think of these sorts of ideas?

[Wombaticus Rex]

What do folks here think of these sorts of ideas?

Welcome to the RI board.

This is an anti-fascist board. Propagation of fascist, neo-Nazi and "white pride" causes, including sympathetically linking to sites which advocate such, will not be permitted. This includes revisionist histories of the Holocaust.

[seemslikeadream]

[quote="American Dream » Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:00 pm

What do folks here think of these sorts of ideas?

I think you should have mercy on us all and give it a frickin rest


Quit hoggin the word holocaust.....we all have one of our own but we don't feel the need to post about it 24/7

[American Dream]

What do folks here think of these sorts of ideas?

I think you should have mercy on us all and give it a frickin rest

Isn't it kind of a no-brainer to acknowledge that these are essentially racist myths, and really, really reprehensible ones at that?

[seemslikeadream]

we could acknowledge it till the cows come home but that wouldn't stop you ...nothing will stop you ...you are on a mission and we all suffer

YOU MAKE MY EYES BLEED

that's the no brainer

[American Dream]

we could acknowledge it till the cows come home but that wouldn't stop you ...nothing will stop you ...you are on a mission and we all suffer

Sure, you could acknowledge it but you never have yet- and yet your postings on holocausts are voluminous. Why not acknowledge that these are essentially racist myths and see if your dire predictions hold true. That would be the scientific approach, right?

[DrEvil]

"Holocaust means a sacrifice by fire. Only the Zionists could sacrifice their own in the gas chambers," Crampton allegedly wrote.

"The Second World Wide War was engineered by the Zionist Jews and financed by the banksters to make the general public all over the world feel so guilty and outraged by the Holocaust that a treaty would be signed to create the State of Israel as we know it today."

What do folks here think of these sorts of ideas?

I think the Jews are just patsies for a Gypsy/Homosexual dark alliance whose goal is to take your stuff and turn your children gay.

[seemslikeadream]

Here's an 80 page thread....everything anyone would care to know or discuss...it's all been said before here over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=34135&p=460468&hilit=satan#p460468

but AD has now gone back after a short break to his old ways and has succumbed to the obligatory once a month year after year month after month for 6 frickin years tirade so no of us can rest from his compulsive need to ferret out the holocaust deniers here...the problem is

THERE ARE NO HOLOCAUST DENIERS HERE

I think he is trying to break that 80 page record

[American Dream]

THERE ARE NO HOLOCAUST DENIERS HERE

Did someone say that there were?

That UKIP woman is acknowledges the reality of Nazi mass murder but then goes on to rub salt in old wounds by blaming it all on a conspiracy of "the Zionist Jews" and "the banksters".

She is not a Holocaust denier per se, and yet nobody wants anything to do with her- not even amongst the reactionaries in UKIP...

[seemslikeadream]

you fuckin' post like there is or you are trying your damnedest to make sure they don't show up here...why don't you just leave that up to the mods and Jeff....they pretty savy...I think they can handle it...and we can all stop feeling like we want to poke our eyes out with a stick

[Searcher08]

we could acknowledge it till the cows come home but that wouldn't stop you ...nothing will stop you ...you are on a mission and we all suffer

Sure, you could acknowledge it but you never have yet- and yet your postings on holocausts are voluminous. Why not acknowledge that these are essentially racist myths and see if your dire predictions hold true. That would be the scientific approach, right?

A quote that was allegedly said on a site called 'Secrets of the Fed', which seems to have no forum, which was also denied by the person who said it?

I am sure no one would ever ever play some dirty tricks around UKIP....
I can see no evidence this person actually said these statements ie like screen grabs or IP logs.

Your statements land with me as an (I'm sure unintentional) defacto apologia for the role of both Wall Street and Zionists in the Holocaust. From from them being 'essentially racist myths', it looks to me much more like this:
Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva and author of min hametzar
http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/tenquestions.cfm
http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/RakBedam.cfm
A source of infinitely more value and honour than what some UKIP party member is alledged to have said or not.