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Postby alloneword » Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:23 am

I've made no secret of the low opinion I have of 'Amazing Polly', but that video raises some very interesting (dare I say R.I.-esque) points. Cheers, HS
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:25 am

WARNING: slight grossness follows regarding bodily function

I found myself in the unfortunate position of visiting an emergency room this week in the city where I live (one of the few "large" cities in the state of Iowa, Midwest USA).

At its Tuesday (March 31, 2020), press conference, officials noted that 73 people in Johnson County now have tested positive for COVID-19, the respiratory disease linked to the coronavirus. Johnson County now accounts for 14.7% of the 497 cases reported in the state. Dave Koch, the director of Johnson County Public Health, said 31 of the 73 patients in Johnson County are no longer considered infectious and are at home


I was not on any fact-finding mission, unless that mission was to find the fact of why I was coughing blood and my bowel movements suddenly consisted of a black, tar-like substance.

Those of you with some medical experience may sense where this is going. My blood pressure and heart rate were through the roof. I was fitted with two IVs (one in each arm) and took several hours to stabilize before they could begin additional testing to determine what was wrong. It took sedation and an endoscopy the following day to determine I had a burst blood vessel in my esophagus, which I have learned is one particular type of GI bleed. A GI bleed is no joke, especially one in the upper GI, as the colon and liver do not interact well with the Iron in the blood that was filling my digestive system. I was blessed that my bleed was relatively slow, so I did not require a blood transfusion. I am very lucky to have gone to the ER when I did, and to have received relatively quick diagnosis and treatment for an extremely dangerous medical condition. I am now faced with making some important lifestyle changes to ensure nothing like this ever happens again.

The ER was busy, but not overflowing -- likely due to the relatively small size of this community, and because anyone with COVID-19 symptoms, i.e. any sort of respiratory symptom, was being immediately segregated into a screening area to limit exposure of patients and healthcare workers to this virus. However, the impact of COVID-19 was evident throughout the facility. All staff and patients were fitted with N95 masks, and there was much concern and precaution taken as some hospital staff have already been exposed and infected with this virus.

When the decision was made to move me from the ER, I was moved to the 4th floor - one of the mask-free areas of the hospital, as other areas designated for potential COVID patients remained under strict control. Hospital staff relayed to me that the hospital overall was at relatively low capacity compared to normal, because residents were avoiding the hospital except in cases of severe emergency like my own and/or suspected COVID exposure. I am grateful for this, because had the hospital been as busy as normal, a potential delay in my treatment could have been deadly.

I had a frank discussion with the ER doc, who hearing me express my fear and concern about my own predicament, talked to me about mindful awareness and about the danger and fear he has to overcome when daily exposing himself to this virus with protective gear that is at best, 95 percent effective.

Despite the relatively low number of cases currently in our area, medical professionals are taking what appears to me to be necessary precautions. It is because of the extreme caution being taken by health care workers and the general public that I was able to obtain treatment and secure a stay of several days despite being uninsured in a country that often leaves the uninsured for dead.

If coronavirus is being overblown (and I am not convinced it is), the entire medical system has been deceived,as the numerous doctors, nurses and technicians at this hospital certainly are not in on any kind of grand cover-up,

Frankly, I am offended by the idea that looky-loo believers in some coronavirus scam think it is reasonable to invade these spaces. As others have pointed out, that behavior would put myself, medical staff and any others seeking legitimate care at unnecessary risk for selfish and foolhardy reasons.

We are not New York or L.A., and any peak coming will hit the Midwest well behind the peak on the coasts, so it is possible things will get much worse here. And if they don't, I am inclined to attribute that to our lower population density and the lead time we have had to prepare compared to the large metropolitan areas, rather than the idea that this is some myth. The fact that China shut down vast regions completely for two months and is still believed to have widely under-reported its COVID cases should be enough of an indication that this is a real phenomena.

If you want to investigate COVID-19, by all means, do so, but keep your ass away from the emergency rooms where actual sick people are in need of real care, not stone-throwers on a mission to push some pre-determined narrative. If you really want to suss out information from those on the front lines, there are better ways to do it without endangering people seeking medical care. Send some e-mails, make some phone calls. These are public institutions. You can find names and contact information relatively easily. If you present yourself fairly, I'm sure you can find a spectrum of medical professionals willing to discuss their experience and observations, should they have the time to do so.
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Postby Blue » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:10 pm

mentalgongfu2 wrote:WARNING: slight grossness follows regarding bodily function

I found myself in the unfortunate position of visiting an emergency room this week in the city where I live (one of the few "large" cities in the state of Iowa, Midwest USA).


Wow, glad you were able to get treated quickly and are recovering from what sounds like a really scary and unexpected health crisis. Take care!
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 pm

alloneword wrote:I've made no secret of the low opinion I have of 'Amazing Polly', but that video raises some very interesting (dare I say R.I.-esque) points. Cheers, HS


No, not really, Not if one applies the minimum amount of rigor investigating the matter. When the facts are known, she's revealed as nothing more than an outlandish pusher of falsehood promoting dangerous propaganda. She is not a journalist and has done no research, or so it seems, other than watching youtube videos, which in effect are not unlike hers. No verification whatsoever comes from her from any official source, not even a link to an official health department of hospital webpage, just her character assassination of a doctor, whose particular areas of expertise she, Polly, has no understanding of. Cherry picking, out of context text warps its full message (Here Polly takes and highlights part of a sentence not from the Elmhurst Hospital nurse featured in the NYT video, but from website of the firm one of her social media contact's employer, Meredith Kelly, a partner at Sena Kozar Strategies): 16:00 "Authenticity is everything. The fault line is not left versus right or Red versus Blue. It is REAL versus FAKE. Behind every campaign, every candidate, every cause is a story, a story that strikes at the heart of the human experience. We take the time to get to know you, your values, your history, to create content that is real." Polly felt it important to drop the last sentence; why? Is that what Polly calls research?

Everywhere throughout America rescue and medical personnel and facilities engage in disaster preparedness drills and all are simulated in order to be as prepared for such a real life disaster as a system such as ours could be. Who could possibly expect a surgeon or any specialist plan for such in their spare time? No one. So they hire specialists whose business it is to plan for such events. I imagine it would be economically sensible for a hospital to have their own in-house specialist to better coordinate with the simulated disaster planners overseeing the exercise.

Her alarm at the prioritizing of which patient gets written off as a lost cause who will receive no extraordinary care or medical efforts to keep them alive, and those who've indicated their desire not be resuscitated, (DNR), is what is more ordinarily termed "triage," and a normal medical practice in any mass causality from any cause.

Regarding the empty area outside the hospital, the vanished patients: This is idiotic. The entire state ceased public testing. If you have eyes, watched any videos with lines of patients, the reason should be blatantly obvious as to why. People are being advised that if they believe they are sick, to stay home. If an emergency, call 911 and paramedics will transport to a hospital if warranted. (triage)

Here's my local county's webpage. scroll down to the red ink.

NYC received 45 refrigerated trailers from the FEMA and they have been distributed to various hospitals and other facilities, like Rikers and the Javits center. She also took a last look at the Javits center, mentioning how empty of patients it is, but has she researched why that is? Of course not.

We are sill weeks away from the peak of this in NYC and may, probably will, see thousands dying daily in NYC. We've already received patients from NYC in Albany and in Amsterdam, NY.

Polly is bad news. It's one thing that she doesn't vet her sources, which is fine for youtube, but why aren't RI members? Rigorous? Please, pick it up a notch.

All of Cuomo's updates here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLHU6ECVSZbzgcpd113Jk4Q
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:40 pm

Crossposted there. Jesus! What a close call. Thank goodness it wasn't worse - you would have bled out in a minute. Glad your in good, caring hands. Do recover quickly, mentalgongfu2. I'll pray for your well being.
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Postby DrEvil » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:31 pm

Yes she is. Listed under Medicine (physician, including MDs & DOs).

You have to search with LASTNAME FIRSTNAME, no commas.

Edit: the post I'm replying to by Heaven Swan has disappeared. She claimed Dr. Colleen Smith at Elmhurst wasn't listed in the official registry of licensed professionals ( http://www.op.nysed.gov/opsearches.htm#nme ), which she is.
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Postby Heaven Swan » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:49 pm

My mistake. I searched with a comma twice and was so shocked at the result that I posted it, then rechecked, then deleted it. That’ll teach me to check everything carefully before pushing submit. :ohwh
I still don’t believe or trust her though.

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DrEvil » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:31 pm wrote:Yes she is. Listed under Medicine (physician, including MDs & DOs).

You have to search with LASTNAME FIRSTNAME, no commas.

Edit: the post I'm replying to by Heaven Swan has disappeared. She claimed Dr. Colleen Smith at Elmhurst wasn't listed in the official registry of licensed professionals ( http://www.op.nysed.gov/opsearches.htm#nme ), which she is.
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Postby DrEvil » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:55 pm

I figured that's what happened. I just mentioned it so my post would make sense to others.

And yeah, mentalgongfu, damn. Hope you're doing okay.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:05 pm

Heaven Swan » Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:35 am wrote:(before I’m scolded for the heresy of watching (or reading) non woke-sanctioned material) that old school Marxists and Black Panthers suggested that members spend 2 hours each morning reading newspapers from across the political spectrum.


What a pose you put on. No one's "scolding." They are taking a lot of time watching these misinformation videos you have been posting and dissecting them, carefully. They are providing more credible explanations for what these videos purport to show. And you don't respond to that, if you bother to read it at all.

You just keep posting the next batch of shit-talk from amateurs doing collages of other video by amateurs, talking about "death panels" (I watched enough to catch that). And you pretend it's so daring and radical of you because you're subject to such a tyranny here.

I shall make the same point again about these videos as examples

of how it would not matter if the claimed thesis (e.g., that covid is some routine flu-type contagion vastly exaggerated so as to implement a global lockdown and transformation plan) was true or not. The methods used by the "Citizen Reporters" would still be a lie. They would still be showing nothing, and claiming it was proof of something. Or showing proof of the opposite, and giving it the reverse label. They would still be rejects from the James O'Keefe School of Churnalism.


(Note that there is a mix here. alloneword suspects something like that but isn't acting as if it is proven and is bothering to gather potentially valid data, contextualize and analyze. This is not the same as people remixing each others videos of themselves jumping out their cars and remarking that a parking lot looks empty before zooming off home to post these clips with their own ominous narration about how they and only they have seen through the big lie.)

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Regarding last post by DrEvil:

For the record, if potentially libelous material against a named person was posted by Heaven Swan earlier, then I missed it. If it has since been deleted, that was not deleted by me. HS must have edited her post. That is allowed within the 24 hour window. [OKAY - HS posted her explanation before I posted this.]

HS has 600+ posts on this board and has never, to my knowledge, had anything censored, deleted, or sanctioned. (I've only been on the job myself a couple of weeks.) So the pose and talk about some "woke" dictatorship is disingenuous. Besides providing us with a right-wing scare word (from someone affecting to be totally apolitical, yeah right) and being insulting to most of the members, this talk seems intended to suggest there is something courageous and rebellious about posting her view (which several people are doing), and to preempt criticism as somehow motivated by the Evil Leftist Conspiracy.

Sorry that it's a discussion board -- people DO answer you, including when you post falsehoods, or urge them to do really dumb things.

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:09 pm

mentalgongfu2 » 05 Apr 2020 01:25 wrote:WARNING: slight grossness follows regarding bodily function

I found myself in the unfortunate position of visiting an emergency room this week in the city where I live (one of the few "large" cities in the state of Iowa, Midwest USA).

At its Tuesday (March 31, 2020), press conference, officials noted that 73 people in Johnson County now have tested positive for COVID-19, the respiratory disease linked to the coronavirus. Johnson County now accounts for 14.7% of the 497 cases reported in the state. Dave Koch, the director of Johnson County Public Health, said 31 of the 73 patients in Johnson County are no longer considered infectious and are at home


I was not on any fact-finding mission, unless that mission was to find the fact of why I was coughing blood and my bowel movements suddenly consisted of a black, tar-like substance.

Those of you with some medical experience may sense where this is going. My blood pressure and heart rate were through the roof. I was fitted with two IVs (one in each arm) and took several hours to stabilize before they could begin additional testing to determine what was wrong. It took sedation and an endoscopy the following day to determine I had a burst blood vessel in my esophagus, which I have learned is one particular type of GI bleed. A GI bleed is no joke, especially one in the upper GI, as the colon and liver do not interact well with the Iron in the blood that was filling my digestive system. I was blessed that my bleed was relatively slow, so I did not require a blood transfusion. I am very lucky to have gone to the ER when I did, and to have received relatively quick diagnosis and treatment for an extremely dangerous medical condition. I am now faced with making some important lifestyle changes to ensure nothing like this ever happens again.

The ER was busy, but not overflowing -- likely due to the relatively small size of this community, and because anyone with COVID-19 symptoms, i.e. any sort of respiratory symptom, was being immediately segregated into a screening area to limit exposure of patients and healthcare workers to this virus. However, the impact of COVID-19 was evident throughout the facility. All staff and patients were fitted with N95 masks, and there was much concern and precaution taken as some hospital staff have already been exposed and infected with this virus.

When the decision was made to move me from the ER, I was moved to the 4th floor - one of the mask-free areas of the hospital, as other areas designated for potential COVID patients remained under strict control. Hospital staff relayed to me that the hospital overall was at relatively low capacity compared to normal, because residents were avoiding the hospital except in cases of severe emergency like my own and/or suspected COVID exposure. I am grateful for this, because had the hospital been as busy as normal, a potential delay in my treatment could have been deadly.

I had a frank discussion with the ER doc, who hearing me express my fear and concern about my own predicament, talked to me about mindful awareness and about the danger and fear he has to overcome when daily exposing himself to this virus with protective gear that is at best, 95 percent effective.

Despite the relatively low number of cases currently in our area, medical professionals are taking what appears to me to be necessary precautions. It is because of the extreme caution being taken by health care workers and the general public that I was able to obtain treatment and secure a stay of several days despite being uninsured in a country that often leaves the uninsured for dead.

If coronavirus is being overblown (and I am not convinced it is), the entire medical system has been deceived,as the numerous doctors, nurses and technicians at this hospital certainly are not in on any kind of grand cover-up,

Frankly, I am offended by the idea that looky-loo believers in some coronavirus scam think it is reasonable to invade these spaces. As others have pointed out, that behavior would put myself, medical staff and any others seeking legitimate care at unnecessary risk for selfish and foolhardy reasons.

We are not New York or L.A., and any peak coming will hit the Midwest well behind the peak on the coasts, so it is possible things will get much worse here. And if they don't, I am inclined to attribute that to our lower population density and the lead time we have had to prepare compared to the large metropolitan areas, rather than the idea that this is some myth. The fact that China shut down vast regions completely for two months and is still believed to have widely under-reported its COVID cases should be enough of an indication that this is a real phenomena.

If you want to investigate COVID-19, by all means, do so, but keep your ass away from the emergency rooms where actual sick people are in need of real care, not stone-throwers on a mission to push some pre-determined narrative. If you really want to suss out information from those on the front lines, there are better ways to do it without endangering people seeking medical care. Send some e-mails, make some phone calls. These are public institutions. You can find names and contact information relatively easily. If you present yourself fairly, I'm sure you can find a spectrum of medical professionals willing to discuss their experience and observations, should they have the time to do so.


Glad you are all right. Glad it's working out so far. And good luck with it. You e had some good luck already by the looks, hope there's plenty more on the way.
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Postby Cordelia » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:03 pm

mentalgongfu2 » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:25 am wrote:
I had a frank discussion with the ER doc, who hearing me express my fear and concern about my own predicament, talked to me about mindful awareness and about the danger and fear he has to overcome when daily exposing himself to this virus with protective gear that is at best, 95 percent effective.

Despite the relatively low number of cases currently in our area, medical professionals are taking what appears to me to be necessary precautions. It is because of the extreme caution being taken by health care workers and the general public that I was able to obtain treatment and secure a stay of several days despite being uninsured in a country that often leaves the uninsured for dead.


That ordeal must have been a hell of a scare and a great relief to be caught right away and treated in time! I know I often criticize the medical system, so thank you for the reminder of how grateful we can all be for advancements made in medicine and the care and dedication that can be shown by individuals working in the profession. My own ER trip via ambulance 7 years ago (today :shock: ) was met w/prompt and excellent care, though that was relayed to me via my daughter, since I was mostly unconscious. I wouldn’t wish for myself or anyone to need emergency care in the here and now.

My household just found out last night that we were virus-exposed through one of my family member’s multiple contacts late last month with someone from work (have many people as of now have not yet been exposed or will be soon?). So, we're in "self-quarantine"). My daughter and my s-i-l expressed concern about their continued contact w/me because of my age (60's) and chronic health problem (debilitating Lyme D.) but I told them not to worry as that horse is already out of the barn. But so far, so ‘good’ for all of us.

Re-viewed a 1+ minute CDC video from the front page of WaPo, posted last month:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAc9NabBJzg
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Postby Harvey » Sun Apr 05, 2020 1:40 pm

Best wishes mentalgongfu.
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Postby JackRiddler » Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:37 pm

Harvey » Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:40 pm wrote:Best wishes mentalgongfu.


Yes, same, and thanks for the report from hospital.
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Postby norton ash » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:13 am

Wishes for your good health, mentalgongfu.
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