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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:28 am

Germany's new Green-Social Democrat-Liberal government has just introduced apartheid, reduced 33% of its population to pariah status, and blamed those selfish Volksschädlinge for the onerous restrictions now placed on everyone else. This news lasted about three nanoseconds on BBC's front page.

By contrast, the "news" that Mutti Merkel is a fan of Europe's phoniest and most dependably annoying "punk" is still right up there on Page One, at least ten hours later. (Punk isn't dead, it just smells money.)

Germany: Angela Merkel's military farewell features punk singer's hit

"Quirky."

Compulsory pricking is now practically inevitable.

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(Maybe I just haven't been paying attention, but I don't recall any previous Chancellor's send-off being staged at night and with soldiers bearing torches.)
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:07 am

"Ich kann gar nicht so viel fressen, wie ich kotzen möchte." - Max Liebermann,, Berlin, 1933

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feynman, NYC, 1966

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:57 pm

Just another brick in the wall of evidence. Dr Clare Craig: https://twitter.com/ClareCraigPath/stat ... 1970349063

Links to data sources are at the link above.

You have been lied to. We need to talk about what happens in the first two weeks. 1/17

This is going to sound utterly contradictory but it is true. Covid infections increase for a period before they start to fall. This is well established. SAGE and PHE have discussed the phenomenon.They know. 2/17

However, those with vested interests have drawn a veil over that period and pretend it is of no importance.3/17

The idea of a vaccine increasing the risk of the very disease it is meant to prevent is bound to create cognitive dissonance but it is what happens in those first two weeks. The only data that says otherwise is modelled not real. 4/17

It is hugely important. It makes being vaccinated during a covid wave a dangerous undertaking and it leads to a critical misinterpretation on vaccines. 5/17

The trick the vaccine manufacturers have played is the equivalent of crediting a swimming teacher after throwing the students into the ocean and then looking away for two hours before seeing how well they can swim. 6/17

Some could swim anyway; some learnt the hard way and the others drowned while people are looking the other way. The rate of drowning afterwards was lower in the remaining group. Crediting this to the "swimming lesson" is not reasonable. 7/17

In the early days after vaccination there is also an increased risk of reactivation of chicken pox, in the form of Shingles, and other viruses including EBV, CMV and HSV. 8/17

The body's ability to hold dormant viruses at bay is hampered. For SARS-CoV-2, vaccination brings forward infections that otherwise would have occurred later on. 9/17

Covid rates rise inline with vaccinations in numerous countries. The staggered rollout across the world makes this hypothesis easier to test. The rise in e.g. Japan, which started much later, and falling cases as vaccine rates fall make the case. 10/17

Comparing the UK and EU covid deaths curve this winter shows that the faster rollout in the UK brought the deaths forward. The total number of deaths (area under the curve) was the same. 11/17

Instead of noticing the unnatural spike in infections, way higher than neighbouring countries, attention was drawn to the period in spring where far fewer vulnerable to that variant remained who could still die. 12/19

A study of 18k nursing home residents clearly showed that, if you include the first 14 days there was no difference in infection rates between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. Instead the grey area for vaccinated gets compared to grey and black for unvaccinated 13/17

What matters is the total percentage of the population who are infected in a wave. If vaccination reduces that then it is performing as originally claimed by the trials. 14/17

The basis of the EUA was a reduction in infections and if that is not achieved the EUA becomes invalid. 15/17

Do you think healthcare workers would be worse off at the end of a wave because of greater exposure and lower vaccination rates? Well, looking at the whole period the opposite was true. Broadly the same percentage were infected in each group. 16/17

No data on vaccine effectiveness should be believed without the initial two week period being included. They know there is a difference due to the survivorship bias and it has been hidden. There's a word to describe such manipulation of data. 17/17
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Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:08 pm

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Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:17 pm

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Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:27 pm

Another brick in the wall, Professor Martin Neil: https://twitter.com/MartinNeil9/status/ ... 7762671628

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1.Our research team have now analysed the ONS England November mortality data. We conclude that despite seeming evidence to support vaccine effectiveness this conclusion is doubtful because of a range of serious inconsistencies and anomalies.

2.The data appear to show lower non-Covid mortality for the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. Odd. Also unvaccinated mortality rates peak at the same time as the vaccine rollout peaks for the age group, then falls and closes in on the vaccinated. This is not natural

3. Consider what we are witnessing here. We have a vaccine whose recipients are suffering fewer non-covid deaths and hence are benefitting from improved mortality. And the mortality rates look to differ significantly from historical norms, as evidenced in mortality lifetables.

4.Correlating unvaccinated mortality with vaccine roll out we see curious patterns (dotted line the proportion of people getting first and second doses). Why are the unvaccinated dying after NOT getting the 1st dose? Why are the single dosed dying after NOT getting the 2nd dose?

5.Plenty of evidence that the vaccinated who die within 14 days of vaccination may be categorized as unvaccinated. Then someone who dies within 14 days of first dose is miscategorised as unvaccinated and a similar thing could occur post second dose.

6. Miscategorization might explain odd phenomena in ONS mortality. To correct the error we can take the difference between the expected mortality for the unvaccinated and the data, and re-allocate this unexpected excess mortality to the vaccinated to get new ADJUSTED estimates.

7. The early spikes in mortality that appear to occur soon after vaccination may be caused by the infirm, moribund, and severely ill receiving vaccination in priority order and thus simply appearing to hasten deaths that might otherwise have occurred later in the year.

8.Turning to Covid mortality, at face value, there appears to be clear evidence of vaccine effectiveness. But…

9.After vaccination people endure weakened immune response for a period of up to 28 days and may be in danger of infection from Covid or other infectious agent at any time in that period. It therefore makes sense to examine infection date rather than date of death registration.

10.We adjust for this using a temporal offset and see a large spike in mortality for all age groups during the early weeks, when covid prevalence was high, and when the first dose vaccination rollout peaked.

11.After our offset adjustment we observe no significant benefit of the vaccines in the short term. They appear to expose people to an increased mortality, in line with what we know about immune exposure or pre-infection risks,

12.Whatever the explanations for the observed data, it is clear that the ONS data is both unreliable and misleading.
Absent any better explanation Occam’s razor would support our conclusions. The ONS data provide no reliable evidence that the vaccines reduce all-cause mortality.

Y axis is mortality = deaths per 100,000 of population.
This is the latest of numerous attempt to decode ONS hieroglyphs, but now we may have stumbled upon a rosetta stone to help solve the puzzle.
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Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 04, 2021 3:35 pm

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/coronavirus-propaganda-and-the-coming-genocide-tickets-214839309157

This talk explores the extent to which the draconian actions of governments during the pandemic are similar to early stages of genocide

About this event

The title of this public lecture has a very deliberate question mark at the end. No one can know what the future holds. Nevertheless, history can teach us many lessons. In 1996 in the aftermath of the atrocities in Rwanda and in the former Yugoslavia Prof. Gregory Stanton (George Mason University) developed a sociological framework to explain the occurrence of genocide as a human phenomenon. This talk examines Stanton's work and suggests that we are, at the very least, on stage 3 of 10 (Extermination being stage 9) within the current Coronavirus pandemic. The implication being that those who have refused Covid-19 injection(s) are being worryingly vilified, ostracised, misrepresented and discriminated against. Moreover, with little support from those happy to take the injections, ghettoisation beckons if these people do not have full access to employment opportunities. We are thus now at a stage where we can at the very least trace a trajectory towards genocidal activity. Democracy is meant to be built upon tolerance and mutuality as humans and yet this seems to be in short supply. This talk is for everyone and will contain no pro or anti-vaccination messaging.

Dr. Colin Alexander is Senior Lecturer in Political Communications at Nottingham Trent University, UK. He has spent over a decade researching propaganda, its strategies and effects. He is the author of the Coronavirus Propaganda blog series. https://www.ntu.ac.uk/staff-profiles/ar ... -alexander

Dr. Alexander is an independent thinker who has no affiliation to any organisation related to the pandemic or vaccine role out. He has no shares or financial attachments to any public company. His only income is from his lecturing salary, royalties from book publications and paid media pieces.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:21 pm

Introducing 'Klaus Schwab's codpiece' @WalkerBragman (twitter) via Max Blumenthal: https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/statu ... 5630501890

(as ever, links at source)

Neurotic shut-ins like Walker won't be happy until everyone is under de facto house arrest, actual prisoners are in cells 23 hrs w/o trial, govt's stop educating poor youth, African economies go deeper into debt, Amazon stock soars & masses starve so they can feel "safe"

We cited experts across the political spectrum who have been right about the insanity of lockdowns, including @DrJBhattacharya.

Also quoted was noted right-winger Christian Parenti, who captures "left" Branch Covidian cultists like @WalkerBragman well: https://thegrayzone.com/2021/12/03/flat ... ulnerable/

Flattening the curve or flattening the global poor? How Covid lockdowns obliterate human rights and crush the most vulnerable - The Grayzone.
Marketed as life-saving public health measures, lockdowns triggered death and economic devastation on a global scale while doing little to slow the spread of Covid-19. Now, they’re back with a vengeance…

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/12/03/flat ... ulnerable/


Dishonest Covidian neurotics like Walker can't openly discuss the pointless brutality & poverty that millions across the globe were subjected to under lockdown, especially the poor & minorities in the US-EU, so he resorts to framing all criticism as far-right.

Some hard facts:
As Klaus Schwab's codpiece, @WalkerBragman wants everyone locked down forever with some UBI crumbs off the Davos table.

Yet even w/some economic support, millions missed medical screenings and cancers are surging, while more fell into opioid addiction, suicide, violence & death

I doubt @WalkerBragman knows what it's like to raise a child, but those who do - and their kids - have suffered immensely under lockdowns that punished the global poor most harshly.

Walker wants more kids failing reading, math, and to be de-educated so he can feel "safe". Lockdowns in the global north impacted the global south, where neoliberal govts also locked down

"Left" Covidians were silent on Colombian families like this, who put a red flag on their home to signal hunger & distress under lockdown.

Our 2020 report:
Across Colombia, red flags of despair fly as harsh Covid lockdown is extended for a third time - The Grayzone
Colombia’s infection rate is relatively low, but its ruthlessly enforced lockdown is causing hunger and nationwide anger. In the working class districts of Bogota, signs of desperation are everywhere.…
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/05/27/colo ... -lockdown/

This is rich! @WalkerBragman rushes to the defense of the most discredited man in Covid-business: Neil Ferguson, who now admits his Bill Gates-sponsored Imperial College model was way off, just like every other pandemic model he produced.


I'm not sure what explains @WalkerBragman's mediocre journalistic output. Besides doing zero field work, his reading is poor.

We cited this study to demonstrate that public health scholars had warned PRIOR to the pandemic of the social and economic damage lockdowns could do.

Neurotic online left-libs like @WalkerBragman have been silent about the cost of lockdowns while clamoring for them incessantly from behind laptops.
And today, they view the mass uprisings vs the Covid power grab from Guadeloupe to Italy with contempt.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/statu ... 40586?s=20

I don't expect hysterical Covidians like Walker to give our piece a fair reading. It's too much to expect them to reckon with their delusions & dishonesty in the face of evidence that lockdowns are a public health failure that brutalized the global poor.

Not a fan of this account, but it does seem relevant that this is where @WalkerBragman will spend the lockdown he hysterically clamors for while millions of others are pushed to the brink of eviction, joblessness, desperation and death.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:44 pm

The Pfizer gene therapy for use in 5-11 year olds is the old formula which is still under emergency use, not the new formula given full legal approval:

For use in individuals 5 through 11 years of age

• The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses Tris buffer (each 0.2 mL dose containing 10 μg modRNA), as described in more detail under Product Description below, covered by this authorization will be administered by vaccination providers and used only to prevent COVID-19 in individuals 5 through 11 years of age with a two-dose primary regimen (3 weeks apart).

For use in individuals who are 11 years old at the time of the first dose, and turn 12 years old before the second dose:

• Notwithstanding the age limitations for use of the different formulations and presentations described above, individuals who will turn from 11 years to 12 years of age between their first and second dose in the primary regimen may receive, for either dose, either: (1) the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses Tris buffer (each 0.2 mL dose containing 10 μg modRNA) covered by this authorization; or (2) the Pfizer- BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine and COMIRNATY formulations provided in one of the presentations for individuals 12 years of age and older (each 0.3 mL dose containing 30 μg modRNA) covered by this authorization.
• The vaccine will be administered by vaccination providers and used only to prevent COVID-19 with a two-dose primary regimen (3 weeks apart).

The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses PBS buffer and COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) have the same formulation. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness. Accordingly, under this EUA, the Pfizer- BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine that uses PBS buffer and COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) can be used interchangeably as described above, without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.
As described below under Product Description, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine formulations that use Tris and PBS buffers, which are covered by this authorization for use in individuals 12 years of age and older, contain the same modRNA and lipids, and the same quantity of these ingredients, per 0.3 mL dose. The two formulations differ with respect to certain inactive ingredients only and have been shown to be analytically comparable.

Accordingly, under this EUA, for individuals 12 years of age and older, COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and these two formulations of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, when prepared according to their respective instructions for use, can be used interchangeably without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns.
Therefore, for individuals 12 years of age and older, COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) is authorized to complete the primary regimen or provide a booster dose for individuals who received their initial primary dose(s) with the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (whether the PBS formulation or Tris formulation), and the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (whether the PBS formulation or Tris formulation) is authorized to complete the primary regimen or provide a booster for individuals who received their initial primary dose(s) with COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA).


This is the statement of justification, signed by Jacqueline A. O'Shaughnessy, Ph.D.Acting Chief Scientist of the Food and Drug Administration:
I have concluded, pursuant to Section 564(d)(2) of the Act, that it is reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID‐19 Vaccine,22 when used to prevent COVID-19 and used in accordance with this Scope of Authorization (Section II), outweigh its known and potential risks.


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Postby stickdog99 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:00 pm

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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Dec 04, 2021 9:32 pm

stickdog99 » 04 Dec 2021 11:03 wrote:I asked you if you thought it was OK that indigenous people are being rounded up and kept in concentration camps even though they do not have COVID-19 and thus pose no risk to anyone.

And you responded by telling me that I am racist because these indigenous people would beat me up if they ever met me.

Just think for a second about how utterly vapid your response was. Why are you having this reaction to my questions?


Of course its not fucken okay. How many times do I have to say its the same shit that always happens in the NT, or that the lockdown in Rockdale and Binjari is more severe than in the rich suburbs of SYdney before it gets thru your fucken skull that it is never okay and that forcible removal is just the same shit people like you have ignored up until now cos it isn't a chance to whinge about nazis and covid.

Meanwhile you are happy to call someone a moron cos they come from one of the most medically disadvantaged populations on the planet and started down the path to helping their people, possibly being a doctor one day, by going from no qualifications to some.

You pretend to give a fuck about indigenous people but you don't really.

You are literally doing what that fella said - using his people as props in your little psycho drama. You responded to him pointing this out by calling him a moron. That's contemptible.



They aren't concentration camps either. Kids were able to escape from them. Our Olympic team quarantined in the same facility after the Olympics.

None of them were held beyond their quarantine, used as sexual slaves or murdered.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Postby stickdog99 » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:01 pm

Of course its not fucken okay.

How many times do I have to say its the same shit that always happens in the NT, or that the lockdown in Rockdale and Binjari is more severe than in the rich suburbs of SYdney before it gets thru your fucken skull that it is never okay and that forcible removal is just the same shit people like you have ignored up until now cos it isn't a chance to whinge about nazis and covid.


So it's not fucken OK, but because it happens all the time and I never noticed before because I live on the exact other side of the world, it's actually OK?

Meanwhile you are happy to call someone a moron cos they come from one of the most medically disadvantaged populations on the planet and started down the path to helping their people, possibly being a doctor one day, by going from no qualifications to some.


Who called anyone a moron? What I said it that the guy works for Cheery Postcard Authors Incorporated. Which he does. And I guess my "insult" of Mr. Cheery Postcard is now supposed to be what makes something that is "not fucken OK" OK?

You pretend to give a fuck about indigenous people but you don't really.

You are literally doing what that fella said - using his people as props in your little psycho drama. You responded to him pointing this out by calling him a moron. That's contemptible.


So now, my lack of real concern for your bestest buddies and my contemptible "use" of them by suggesting that what has happened to them is not fucken OK is actually what makes something that is "not fucken OK" OK?

They aren't concentration camps either. Kids were able to escape from them. Our Olympic team quarantined in the same facility after the Olympics. None of them were held beyond their quarantine, used as sexual slaves or murdered.


Aha! Now we finally have something that makes the way they treated your bestest buddies OK. Right?

Because despite your efforts to bring me into this situation personally. it really wasn't anything that I did that makes what your government did to these innocent and perfectly healthy indigenous people OK. Now, was it?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Sun Dec 05, 2021 2:30 am

I've been thinking that in light of the popularity of traffic light analogies used to convey the responsibility people have to comply with vaccination, most notably Noam Chomsky, if there will be some attempt made rather soon, maybe a year or two, at using genomic testing as evidence to charge unvaccinated people with involuntary manslaughter.

If vaccines are being made mandatory this isn't really that far fetched. Covid testing has already allowed for the build up of large population wide DNA databases that can match against samples taken from people seriously ill or declared dead from covid. There would no doubt be families wanting to seek damages, just as there are people who throw themselves in front of cars.

In fact, the whole premise of a criminal justice system which upholds some sort of right to protection against transmissible disease is terrifying. I know the term gets thrown around a lot, but it would truely be kafkaesque. The government would inform you of the crimes you unwittingly committed, and then prosecute you using evidence only they have knowledge of.

It's so terrifying one would best become vaccinated and stay so.

what another wonderful little gem technology has gifted us with. the ability to attribute more and more accountability through an ever pervasive knowledge of ones own actions. I suppose pkd's concept of pre-crime is just the logical endpoint of this. Responsibility for the potentiality of your actions as proven by some fantastic new technology which allows others to see beyond what is within your will to control and attribute to you guilt using evidence you cannot refute.

But in the case of these vaccines, it would be as if everyone were running red lights and killing people, however only those without a drivers license are criminally charged. The assumption being that if you have a drivers license you wouldn't run a red light. So luckily the technology is too retarded to achieve any kind of a terrifyingly objective justification.

There is still hope that overspecialisation and overcompartmentalisation within the modern technology corporation can destroy the creativity required to make significant leaps towards such a future.
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