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Postby drstrangelove » Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:18 pm

Gnomad » Thu Jan 26, 2023 9:14 am wrote:Putin and fair elections? Oh fuck come on now. You can't be serious.

You have absolutely no evidence that any Ukrainian elections would have been rigged either.
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Postby Gnomad » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:09 pm

Ok, thats true.

Sorry. I was emotional.
Yellow card for me.

Yet - Ukraine election integrity ranking is above Hungary, and Russia and Belarus at the very bottom. (Finland at the very top, got something to be proud of)
USA is not doing very well either, worse than Trinidad and Tobago, just above Colombia.
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Postby kelley » Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:38 am

Panther

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King Tiger

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comfort in the continuity of naming panzers

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this schießekrieg in Ukraine stinks regardless of how the wind blows
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Postby Grizzly » Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:49 pm

https://sputniknews.com/20230130/russian-military-gets-its-hands-on-over-20000-documents-on-us-biowarfare-program-in-ukraine-mod-1106822600.html

The USG’s intention to create bio weapons components and test them on the pop of UKR and other countries along the perimeter of our borders...As part of activities to wind down military bio ops in UKR , the US are proactively engaging the material base of chem and pharma plants of Poland and the Baltics; furthermore, equipment from the UKR territory was delivered there”.

Russian Military Has Gotten Its Hands on Over 20,000 Docs on US Biowarfare Program in Ukraine: MoD]
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Postby Harvey » Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:46 am

RT censored at the domain level in the UK, I think.

UK readers see here: https://web.archive.org/web/20230130200 ... 22600.html
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Gnomad » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:03 am

Sputnik News is a Russian government propaganda outlet. Nothing they post can be taken as anything except official propaganda.

Come on now, try even a little bit. Get a decent source for claims like that. Can you find that "story" mentioned anywhere but on RT and Sputnik?

Sputnik is a Russian news agency and radio broadcaster that publishes online stories, radio shows, and videos. In 2013, via a presidential decree by Vladimir Putin, the radio station Voice of Russia and RIA Novosti news service was abolished and replaced by Rossiya Segodnya (Russia Today, not to be confused with RT). In 2014, Rossiya Segodnya (Russia Today) launched Sputnik, and conservative news anchor Dmitry Kiselyov was appointed as Director-General of Rossiya Segodnya. Kiselyov is known for ultra-conservative views and anti-gay comments.

According to their about page, Sputnik describes itself as “The agency covers global political and economic news targeting an international audience.” Sputnik is based in Moscow.

Funded by / Ownership

Sputnik is owned and funded by the Russian Government to promote Russia’s image abroad. The Sputnik news service produces over 1,500 news items daily and around the clock that is available to subscribers via the web terminal and mobile app. The website also serves online advertising.

Sputnik is often accused of reporting fake news, spreading misinformation, and being a “Kremlin Propaganda Machine” by European and American media outlets. In 2017, the FBI launched an investigation into Sputnik for a potential violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).

In review, Sputnik’s coverage regarding American Politics leans right and is consistently pro-Trump/conservative: “FBI Memo Implies Dossier on Trump Russian Collusion Funded by Clinton.” Sputnik also frequently uses strongly loaded emotional wording in headlines such as this: “WATCH: Philly’s New Year Parade Act Sees Trump, Putin Fight Over ‘Pee Tape'”

Sputnik routinely publishes articles that promote conspiracy theories such as those about the murder of Seth Rich ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich ), which fact-checker Snopes has debunked. Sputnik also employs conspiracy theorists such as former Breitbart writer Lee Stranahan, who was hired as co-host of a radio show for Sputnik Radio, called “Fault Lines with Nixon and Stranahan.” Lee Stranahan also appears as a guest on Alex Jones’ Infowars program, which is famous for promoting outrageous right-wing conspiracies.

When it comes to sourcing, Sputnik occasionally uses credible sources such as Reuters and CNN; however, they also source from known conspiracy sites such as Infowars: “InfoWars Alex Jones Talks Brexit, Freedom of Speech in US, Political Correctness” and “Anonymous Exposes UK’s Hybrid Warfare Project.” Further, they frequently source their own articles, or they use large blocks of quotes.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sputnik-news/

An example - Sputnik claims Hitler's Mein Kampf is more popular than Harry Potter in Latvia - ( https://tvzvezda.ru/news/201804021543-uu8f.htm )
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This is the level of their reporting. It is utter bullshit.

Its the same as using a Pentagon spokesperson for honest reporting about war in Iraq, for example. You bet they gonna lie their ass off. Uranium yellowcake level idiotic.

How do you guys throw out any semblance of critical thinking? Do you really think that because you don't like Western countries supporting Ukraine, that you could hence trust what an official russian "news"service says in wartime?

That is stupid and wholly uncritical, definitely not rigorously intuitional either.
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Postby Gnomad » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:46 am

Russia has been interfering with GPS positioning of civilian aircraft in Finnish airspace back in March 22. Planes have been forced to turn around because they could not use their positioning instruments. Reported today by Yleisradio - the Finnish public broadcaster. Ran it through Google translate. Pictures and maps can be seen at the link provided.

The jamming was widespread and periodically affected most of Finnish airspace. This is something that could be taken as an act of war, and at the point it happened Finland had not even taken part in any sanctions against Russia, and the border crossing remained open, and the Allegro trains were still running between Finland and Russia.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20015375

It is the beginning of March 2022. The Finnish air traffic control authority warns pilots that positioning does not work. Disruptions affect a large part of Finland and at times almost all air traffic.

At the same time, disturbances are also noticed in Kaliningrad, Norway and France.

The GPS signal supports the infrastructure necessary for the functioning of society.

In practice, interference affects, among other things, that pilots can fly astray, boaters can run aground and account transfers fail, and electricity transmission stops.

Despite the importance of GPS, the signals are sensitive to interference. In other words, they are relatively easy to disrupt.

This story tells about how Yle's MOT department tracked down the origin of the signal disturbances in March and found out startling information about the threat to Finland.
What is GPS signal jamming?

The signal travels along radio waves. A jamming device can send a stronger signal on the same frequency, so the original and correct signal is covered.

When the correct signal is blocked, the GPS receiver cannot determine its own location.

In interference, wrong information can also be entered into the frequency. Then the GPS receiver locates itself in the wrong location. It's called misleading.
First landing attempt

On the sixth of March, the Dutch flight captain Erwin Jonker approaches Savonlinna. 130 kilometers from the field, the crew notices that the GPS signal has disappeared. At the same moment, Finnish air traffic control announces a deviation on the route in Savonlinna.

Jonker and his co-pilot start landing preparations about 60 kilometers before the Savonlinna airfield, hoping that the signal will come back on.

That doesn't happen. The crew decides that landing is not possible and the passenger plane flies back to Tallinn.

Savonlinna airport is modern. You can only land there with the help of a GPS signal, because there is no air traffic control there to control the plane.

- When going back, about 130 kilometers away, the GPS suddenly starts working.

Even then, the captain suspected that his own plane's technology was playing tricks and suggested changing the plane for the next day.

However, others had the same problems. Planes flying over Finland report disturbances in South and North Karelia, Central Finland and North and South Savo to the Finnish Transport and Communications Agency Traficom.
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I decide to call Norway and ask the local communications agency how they traced the tracks to Russia.

I am meeting with the agency's senior engineer Nicolai Gerrad and the head of his unit Tore Lunestad via video link.

In Norway's northernmost county, Finnmark, the GPS signals jammed for the first time in 2017. The Norwegian Communications Agency Nkom traced the source to Russia near the Finnish border.

There was frequent harassment in Norway in 2018 during a large NATO military exercise.

- There was harassment almost every day during training, says Gerrad.

The authorities investigated the matter and the Norwegian secret service published a report on the matter. According to it, in 2019 there have been several dangerous situations for air traffic. The device is thought to be in the ground chamber. Then the interference can be roughly estimated and, depending on the terrain, over a hundred kilometers away.

If the device is lifted into the air, for example in a helicopter, its range is multiplied. The distance is multiplied even if only the airspace is disturbed. Interference made at a height of ten kilometers reaches approximately 400 kilometers.

Last year there was so much GPS interference in Finnmark that it has become normal. In December it was almost daily, on 119 days throughout the year.

- Pilots already know to watch out for harassment, says Gerrad.

In Finnmark, Norway, GPS jamming has only affected air traffic. Society's infrastructure such as banking or electricity networks have worked because the interference has only been in the air.
Yle is looking for answers in aircraft data

Since information about the scope or the cause of interference in Finland is not available from the Finnish authorities, we obtain the data sent by the airplanes from the American company ADS-B Exchange.

From that data, you can see how precisely the planes have been able to locate their position. We obtain the data from the days when we know for sure that there were signal disturbances in Finland, i.e. 6–9 March 2022.


It means that someone can interfere with the GPS location of all planes, from Finnair passenger planes to private planes.

What is there in the areas that could explain the harassment? Could jamming equipment be in real estate?

Disturbing such a large area requires large equipment. I call municipalities above which the GPS signal has been weak.

If someone made a disturbance on purpose, it would hardly go unnoticed by the locals. The equipment would consume a lot of electricity if it didn't work with aggregates. In turn, they would make a noise that would attract attention.
This is how signal jamming works
400 km 10 km
An interference signal can be sent from, for example, a vehicle or a helicopter.

I find a lot of properties owned by Russians, whose location or purpose of use is special. For example, on the side of the Defense Forces area, an accommodation shop that is not suitable for accommodation and an old hospital building that has been left to fall into disrepair.

However, no one has seen cars carrying special equipment or a property that seems to be a source of interference.

If the interference came from the same source for a long time, the authorities could locate it.

So where did the interference come from? Would it be possible for jamming to be done from space using a satellite?
A call to the European satellite organization

I am contacting Holland, the seat of the European Space Agency E.S.A. Its director, Javier Benedicto, agrees to tell me some information about signal interference.

- Some of the information is confidential. We don't have a secure connection and even this call can be listened to, Benedicto reminds.

Of course, Benedicto doesn't tell the reporter any secret information, but he knows a lot about signal interference. Namely, E.S.A maintains and develops the European satellite system Galileo.

It is global and includes 23 satellites orbiting the Earth. Benedicto does not confirm that Finland was under attack in March.

- It's a secret, says Benedicto.

However, he says that the harassment of large areas is by no means done from real estate or trucks.

- We are approaching a topic that is difficult to talk about. There are satellites that are powerful and can create interference in specific areas like the ones you are talking about.

Jamming can be done from armed forces satellites made for this purpose.

Benedicto describes the harassment as aggressive and almost an act of war, because it disrupts the economy of the target country and people's daily lives.

However, using satellite jamming seems unlikely because the devices require a lot of energy and are dependent on solar energy. I take a video call to Washington, which is answered by Kaitlyn Johnson. Among other things, he studies military space systems at the prestigious think tank The Center for Strategic and International Studies.

- It is much more likely that the interference is carried out from the ground, especially because the interference areas are near the Russian border, Johnson says.

In Finland, there has also been interference only for air traffic. Money transfers have worked, ambulances have found a helper, ships have reached ports, phone messages have gone through and positioning has worked. If the jammer came from a satellite, all the functions mentioned above would be paralyzed.

The perpetrator of the March harassment has still not been found. It has not been possible to interfere with the signals from Finnish soil, and according to experts, it does not come from a satellite. That leaves one likely option.

Soon there will be pictures of military bases where it could be done.
Comparison of disturbances with Russian military bases

Next, I will meet Marko Eklund. He has followed the Russian armed forces for more than 20 years and served as Finland's deputy defense representative in Moscow between 2018 and 2021.

We look at maps of the extent of the harassment. Eklund considers it unlikely that Russia would take the risk and bring jamming equipment to Finland. Getting caught would be possible and embarrassing, even if, of course, everything is denied despite the evidence.

Simply doing harassment from your own country is more effective and more reasonable.

Here you can see on the map the bases of the Russian electronic warfare forces in the vicinity of Finland. They are at least in Murmansk, St. Petersburg, Kursk, Kaliningrad and the Pskov region.

The circles around the bases tell what their theoretical operating range is like if interference is done up to 10 kilometers high.

According to Eklund, the interference must come from the Russian side. The interference points match the operational area of Russian electronic warfare forces' bases.

Could it be that Russia had interfered on purpose and aimed the antennas specifically at Finland whenever the plane was in Finnish airspace?

We decide to find out with the help of Google Earth. The bases of the Russian armed forces are clearly visible in satellite images.

On the outskirts of St. Petersburg, in the Kronstadt area, there is Retusaari. The Russian air defense is located there
The base of the electronic warfare battalion supporting the Russian air defense is located there. Its task is therefore to target interference primarily at flying targets.

Russia uses many electronic warfare systems. One of them is the Borisoglebsk-2 facility.
The photo shows a heavy vehicle used by the military, with a tall antenna rising from the back.
A screenshot from the Yandex map service of an electronic warfare base near St. Petersburg.

That's what the image of the Russian map program Yandex's camera car looks like, when it has pointed its mast towards the Gulf of Finland and Finland. Yandex's picture is from 2019. However, it proves that the equipment is on the shore of the Baltic Sea, facing Finland.

We know that Severomors in the north of Murmansk has similar performance. With these devices, it is possible to cover almost the entire Finnish airspace, when interference is done at high altitudes from both the north and the south.

At the beginning of March, there was also harassment in Kaliningrad. Also there, the camera of the Yandex map car has equipment intended for reconnaissance. It is the electronic warfare center of the Russian Baltic Fleet.
The picture shows a walled area with buildings and a tall mast.
Screenshot of the Yandex map service from the base in Kaliningrad.

However, the map program informs that there is a 24-hour, four-star service station under the huge antennas.

The reason why Finland has been disturbed remains open. There is at least a viable theory for that.
The motive can be bullying or protection

There can be many reasons for the disturbance. According to Marko Eklund, the background may be political reasons or a countermeasure to Western intelligence.

It is equally possible that the eastern neighbor was testing his equipment or practicing for a live target, so to speak. Although not caring about the safety of his neighbors.

Major General evp. Pekka Toveri adds one more point of view about the motives of harassment.

- A tease is even a small tease, is an old Russian principle, Toveri states.

In my friend's opinion, Russia's actions are dangerous for air, sea and land traffic. The comrade wonders why the authority, i.e. Traficom, does not put the cat on the table and take the issue to international forums for discussion.

- This does not end with silence.

We know that there were 64 days of GPS failures in Finland last year. A large part of the disturbances in Finland have been in Northern Finland.

It is the area of influence of the base of the electronic warfare forces of the Russian Northern Fleet, where the Norwegian authorities have traced the source of the interference.


The supervisory authority Traficom has tried to locate the source of the disturbances together with the border authorities. Since the source of the disturbance has not been caught, the Finnish authorities speak of disturbances instead of harassment.

- Where the disturbance originated, there is no way to find out afterwards. It is impossible, says Jari Pöntinen, director of Traficom.

However, signal interference is a topic that the authorities seem happy to keep quiet about.

According to documents seen by Yle, Traficom advised the Estonian airline not to comment on signal disturbances to the journalist. The reason Traficom said is that the matter is internal to the Finnish state and sensitive due to the current state of the world.

Traficom denies that it blocked Yle's interviews.

- Traficom can give and comment on these things as is done now. I am not aware of any ban, commented Pöntinen.

It's not a state secret. I even get a message from within the defense forces that it's time someone looked into this topic.

My investigation is over at this point. One question remains open: What else do we dare not say out loud?



Intentional fucking with civilian air traffic of a neutral country. Russia is such a nice neighbour.
Some of you people simply do not get that Russia has always been belligerent towards all the neighbouring countries. You seem to have a very rosy picture of their aims and activities. And Finland has always been neutral, had lots of trade with Russia and has never fucked with them in any way. And this is the kind of treatment we can expect in return.

And what do you think Russia would do if the roles were reversed, and Finland would do something like this unprovoked?

Russian citizens and dual fin/rus citizens have also been quietly purchasing real estate near Finnish army depots, shipping lines in the archipelago and near other critical infrastructure over several years. It has gotten ominous overtones in light of all their other recent actions. Are these actions of a peaceful neighbour?

This is just one example from todays local news, there are dozens of similar locations all over the country with suspicious activity by russians:
https://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/a/8bbb ... 5686b13a21

According to the locals, there has been no activity in the warehouse in Saarijärvi, which is equipped with strict security measures, for more than ten years. The hall erected by the Russian businessman's company is located near the mast allegedly used by the Defense Forces.

The construction of the hall cost almost 900,000 euros at the time, and money was especially spent on massive earthmoving works. The Russian businessman said that the area will become a temporary warehouse for steel rolls exported from Russia to the world.

On the other hand, at the large course center property located in the same village as the mystical warehouse, new plots have been demarcated at the end of the year and trees have been cut down recently. The new small plots of land have been given by a Finnish company as payment for old debts to the company of a Russian businessman connected to the Kremlin.

The warehouse located in the middle of the forest in the corner of the remote Kolkalhanti industrial area in Saarijärvi in Central Finland has clearly not been visited this winter. The road leading to the hall is covered in a thick layer of snow. Also, the sturdy steel mesh gate equipped with barbed wire has not been opened in a while, because it is also in the middle of a high net.

The electric booms behind the steel gate are open, but otherwise it is made clear to uninvited guests that there is no business here. Below the barbed wire, a large sign tells about recording surveillance. However, the security company indicated on the sign has already been taken over by a bigger company years ago.

- There hasn't been any activity there for years, Brigadier General from Saarijärvi evp. Hannu Luotola says.

- Nothing has happened for more than ten years, Kalevi Kuorelahti, a retired engineer from Saarijärvi, also confirms.

The big hall was built in 2007. When it was built, no money was spared. Asko Hackzell, a retired police officer who investigated Russian real estate deals in Finland with Luotola and Kuorelahti, told Iltalehte at the time that the construction project reportedly cost almost 900,000 euros.

The owner of the Russian company himself said at the time that more than 800,000 euros were spent. The biggest item of expenditure was earthworks. A large part of the soil up to a depth of five meters was replaced on the three-hectare plot, which is partially swamp-based. After that, asphalt was laid on top.

The city of Saarijärvi sold the industrial plot in December 2006 to the Moscow politician Nikolai Varlakov. The following year, a very large tarpaulin hall was erected in the area and sturdy fences surrounded it. It was announced that Varlakov's company Nikolai Import & Export intends to turn the warehouse into a major logistics center through which huge rolls of steel will be shipped from far away in Russia's Magnitogorsk to the world.

Since the Russian company promised plenty of industrial jobs in the area, the city of Saarijärvi paved the roads of the industrial area and also arranged municipal engineering. However, there were no jobs. The water and sewer connections were also not connected.

Locals, on the other hand, were surprised by the site's exceptional security arrangements, which included, in addition to barbed wire, surveillance cameras and lighting even at night.

The photos taken after completion show how a sturdy fence has been erected on top of the earthen rampart surrounding the plot. However, the warehouse itself could hardly be seen from the road, because a forest had been left in front of it to protect the view. Now that small forest has already expanded into a dense thicket.


Data cable nearby?

According to local residents, the large warehouse built in the middle of the forest in 2007 has not seen any traffic for years. A large load of steel coils was brought to the hall after its completion, but there is no evidence of their removal. The large storage hall built in the middle of the forest in 2007 has not seen any traffic for years, according to local residents. After its completion, a large load of steel rolls was brought into the hall, but there are no observations of their removal.

According to local residents, the large warehouse built in the middle of the forest in 2007 has not seen any traffic for years. After its completion, a large load of steel rolls was brought into the hall, but there are no observations of their removal. Matt Tanner
The plot owned by the Russian businessman's company is bordered by a sturdy fence with barbed wire, which is built on top of an earthen rampart. The road leading to the plot is closed by a gate with a notice of camera surveillance. Matt Tanner

Over the years, Saarijärvi has thought a lot about the importance of the warehouse, which has remained completely silent. Its location is only made significant by the telecommunication mast less than a kilometer away. The telemast standing on the plot owned by the Ministry of Defense is said to transmit the communications of the Defense Forces, which are central to Finland's security. It is known that there are only a few masts of the same type in Finland.

The source, who remains anonymous, now tells Iltalehti that a data cable leading to the mast was at least a hundred meters away from the hall. According to the source, the other end of the cable is located in Tikkakoski in the Defense Forces area. Tikkakoski Airport, where the Air Force School and part of the Defense Forces' Intelligence Institute operate, is located approximately 50 kilometers from Kolkanhalti.

MTV's 45 minutes program already reported in 2009 that the protection police and the central criminal police investigated the background of issues related to the warehouse. The case was also said to be of interest to the Defense Forces and the Maintenance Safety Center.

Shortly after the coverage, MTV's reporter and activists from Saarijärvi unexpectedly received an invitation to come and see the hall, even though the contacts had not been answered before. Denis Varlakov, the son of Nikolai Varlakov, who became the CEO of the Russian company, hurriedly arrived from Moscow on a private plane to present the hall.

To the activists of Saarijärvi and the Finnish media, Varlakov presented the hall's security camera systems, which could be monitored remotely from Russia. Inside the hall was a cargo of large steel rolls, a pile of steel plates and two Finnish trucks in brand new condition.

- On the other hand, there was no bridge crane needed to move the loads, Oiva Miettinen, a retired Nokia engineer who belongs to the Aktiivie group from Saarijärvi, says.

Two other properties

The telemast found in the terrain near the warehouse is said to relay the communications of the Defense Forces.
In addition to the warehouse plot, the Russian businessman bought two other plots in Saarijärvi and the neighboring municipality of Karstula. Matt Tanner

At that time, Denis Varlakov worked in the Russian Parliament as an assistant to Andrei Morozov, a member of the Duma representing the United Russia party. At that time, Morozov was one of the richest men in Russia and one of the most prominent owners of the steel factory in Magnitogorsk.

During the presentation round, Varlakov did not want to say more about the company's business. According to him, the logistics operation was only at the planning stage, but he said that Saarijärvi is a good place for temporary storage of steel rolls. The rolls were to be brought by train via Kuhmo Vartius to Jyväskylä and from there by trucks to Saarijärvi. According to him, the security measures were related to the fact that they were storing expensive material.

In the meeting, Varlakov also said that he is attached to central Finland and that he is constantly looking for more land and real estate sites to buy. He had already acquired a beach plot sold by the parish in the neighboring municipality of Karstula, on which he planned to build a second home. A summer house was built on the plot later.

In addition, Varlakov's company had bought a 39-hectare forest farm in the same direction from Saarijärvi, which included three separate parcels. The largest of them borders on the old stone quarry used by the Road Administration. Part of this plot is swamp and salt marsh, the rest is forest. The other two forest plots are next to local roads.

- I asked him why he buys these lands. He replied that why do you Finns sell them, Oiva Miettinen says now.

Miettinen, Kuorelahti and Luotola say that Varlakov had justified the purchase of an empty forest plot with the intention of establishing a mink farm there.

Selected place

At the end of last year, the land surveying authority marked the small blocks given to the Russian businessman's company on the Leiriharju plot in Saarijärvi's Åhvenlammi. Matt Tanner

According to the men, the site of the Kolkalhanti warehouse was not for general sale at the time.

- Father Varlakov had come to Saarijärvi with his friend and announced that we wanted to buy that plot of land. When the city's representatives had offered a plot from a different location, because there was half a swamp there, they said that they wanted exactly that plot, Kuorelahti says.

Nikolai Import & Export, which owns the Kolkanhalti plot, still exists. Denis Varlakov is registered in the trade register as the CEO of the company registered in Karstula, and his parents are the company's other responsible persons. The company, which was registered in Finland in 2005, was later also registered as a foreign company in Norway. The company's address is in Western Norway in the city of Stavanger.

Iltalehti tried to reach Denis Varlakov and his company, but the phone numbers listed at the gate of the Saarijärvi plot were not in use. The telephone number registered in the trade register was also not in use. The company also once had an office in Karstula's church village, but today the address of the Kolkanlahti warehouse is registered in the trade register.

Investigative journalist Tuula Malin, who reported on the hall on MTV and later in Iltalehti several times, told in her book published in 2020 in Putin's courtyard, Russian superpower operations in Finland (Docendo) how the intermediate storage of steel coils in the Kolkanhalti hall had continued for more than ten years, without any signs of their transportation.

Large debts were cleared

In the area of the blocks bordered on the Leiriharju plot, a lot of forest work has been done in recent days. The blocks reserved for holiday apartments cover 1.2 hectares of a total of more than 15 hectares of real estate. Matti Tanner

When Iltalehti had reported on the subdivision of the holiday apartment blocks, Saarijärvi city manager Satu Autiosalo sent a press release explaining why the city did not use its right of first refusal in handing over three blocks to Fokin's company. According to the city, only the law governing pre-emption was followed in the case.

According to Saarijärvi's press release, the city had no need to demonstrate the need to acquire land for community building or recreational or conservation needs. This is due to the waterfront plan approved by the city in 2009 for the area, according to which the purpose of use of the area is vacation living and tourism. The city also had no other plans for the property, so the right of first refusal could not be used for this reason.

Activists from Saarijärvi say that it was precisely the creation of a beach station plan that was a condition of Fokin's company's promise to carry out all large land deals in Åhvenlammi in time.

- At the meeting of the City Council in July 2008, four planning initiatives were presented, the passage of which was rushed due to the interest of the city. The preparation of the waterfront plan for the Leiriharju farm owned by SalusharjuoOy and the preparation of the Ahvenlamme waterfront plan for the area owned by the city were connected in such a way that the city would hand over its zoning rights for the Ahvenlamme area to the buyer, i.e. Fokin's company, Hannu Luotola says.

However, the city of Saarijärvi had to cancel the planning decision concerning its own lands the following year, because it was against the law. This happened after reminders to the city. Instead, the Leiriharju beach plan remained in effect.

- The city pushed through the formula despite the big opposition from the residents. When the 2nd phase regional plan of Central Finland was completed, it would hardly have allowed the approval of a massive coastal plan like Leiriharju, Luotola continues.

The active team has been investigating Russian land deals in Saarijärvi and nearby municipalities for about fifteen years. More than 140 strange trade cases have accumulated on their lists. In these, the Russians have acquired ownership of areas in the vicinity of strategic targets important to Finland.

Asko Hackzell from the four-man group died in 2017, but the others continue their investigative work. They are now wondering how in the beginning of the 2000s a large number of Russian land buyers ended up in central Finland.

- Why on earth did so much Russian ownership come to Saarijärvi in the years 2008–2012, Luotola asks.

Russian businessman Denis Fokin sought large areas of land in Saarijärvi's Åvenlammi. In addition to the Leiriharju property, there is also e.g. a large Russian-owned campsite that has been open in the summer. Matt Tanner

At the moment, the main building of the Leiriharju property and the accommodation buildings next to it are empty. The sign above the main door still reminds of the time as a reception center. Matt Tanner


And you should also know that it is impossible and illegal for Finnish citizens to purchase any land in Russia. It should also be made illegal for them to own any land here, in light of all this.
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Edit: Whatever.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Jan 31, 2023 11:33 am

Gnomad » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:06 am wrote:And with all this talk coming from Russia about Nazis, maybe we should remember who was the original, biggest ally of Hitler and Nazi Germany.


Such bullshit. Not a word of that is defensible but the most indefensible of all is "original," because I have to think you know a lot better than that.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:22 pm

Oh I know this one. It was the British!
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Postby DrEvil » Wed Feb 01, 2023 10:39 am

^^That one is from 1941. The one where he was man of the year of 1938 had a drawing titled "From the unholy organist, a hymn of hate".
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Live Thread

Postby Grizzly » Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:12 pm



Russell Brand drags the Western Corporate Masters (JP Morgan, Blackrock, etc) that will be "Colonizing" Ukraine, and questions the TRUE Purposes of keeping this war going.

"Is it Justified to use Taxpayer funds to assist a war aimed at corporate expansion, while pretending that it is about Freedom & Humanitarian Concerns?"
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Re: Sleepwalkers

Postby Harvey » Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:07 pm

^Well worth watching the Zelensky video at one remove:

Harvey » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:57 am wrote:...one minute of Mr Zelensky laying out his priorities, so that we don't even have to guess.

https://rumble.com/v26xr3s-zelensky-tha ... -supp.html


Edited to add:

If Russia loses, they're going to use Ukraine as the model of a fully privatised state. Remember, Klein's Shock Doctrine began with the insight that the lessons learned from MKUltra had been applied to entire states, and had blossomed into neo-liberalism. Ukraine will be the model for the 'post Covid world' as regularly disseminated from Davos, with digital ID & currency and brain implanted serfs with no desire except to serve, a state with no place for its citizens except as an expendable resource.
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Re: Sleepwalkers

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Feb 02, 2023 5:01 pm

Harvey » 01 Feb 2023 21:07 wrote:^Well worth watching the Zelensky video at one remove:

Harvey » Thu Jan 26, 2023 5:57 am wrote:...one minute of Mr Zelensky laying out his priorities, so that we don't even have to guess.

https://rumble.com/v26xr3s-zelensky-tha ... -supp.html


Edited to add:

If Russia loses, they're going to use Ukraine as the model of a fully privatised state. Remember, Klein's Shock Doctrine began with the insight that the lessons learned from MKUltra had been applied to entire states, and had blossomed into neo-liberalism. Ukraine will be the model for the 'post Covid world' as regularly disseminated from Davos, with digital ID & currency and brain implanted serfs with no desire except to serve, a state with no place for its citizens except as an expendable resource.


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