Market Crash Watch Party

[Belligerent Savant]

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Also, a side-note that needs to be added here, as I will no longer simply let it slide:

Elvis typed:

You lack the imagination to create a better world.

YOU, and many like you, failed the fucking litmus test -- BIG TIME -- during 2020 - ~2022. We were put to the test. Draconian, overtly fascist/totalitarian measures were pushed on populations. MASS NON-COMPLIANCE/CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE WOULD HAVE PREVENTED IT.

Instead, those of your ilk took the COWARDLY/COMPLIANT/COMPLICIT route, blindly subscribing to questionable narratives, dutifully complying in affronts, and COWARDLY going along with otherizing/segregations of fellow citizens based on their personal health choices. SHAME to you and all those that acted in this way and NOW (again, in an act of cowardice) avoid taking ownership of it or otherwise attempt to brush it aside as, "They -- Authority -- were just doing what they thought was best at the time" BS rhetoric.

I lost a job (though fortunately I regained another one without 'skipping a beat'; many others were not as fortunate). My better-half lost a job as well. All due to mandates. I spoke out at school board meetings, repeatedly, against masking children, and also against the attempts to force harmful (or not: doesn't matter) products on kids. All while many that claim to support "justice" and "citizen rights" kept themselves muzzled -- literally and figuratively -- as they pointed fingers at those that (bravely) refused to comply despite IMMENSE social pressure to submit.

You have NO place to speak about "imagination to create a better world". Get the fuck out of here with such delusions.

Keep allowing yourself to be misdirected; one of many examples for how the controls are kept on us.

[Grizzly]

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[Elvis]

Stubbornly continuing to hack at branches rather than striking at root causes for the ills we continue to endure

You just don't get it. Mandatory unemployment is the root cause of the economic ills we continue to endure The prevailing neoclassical trickle-down eceonomic regime is designed to keep the working class in debt and afraid of losing their jobs—by always keeping the threat of unemployment and poverty a looming reality.

I'm not saying that full employment policy is going to happen; you are saying it's a bad idea that shouldn;t be considered.

People who can't break free of the "trickle-down" paradigm lack the ability imagine a better world. By default, they—you—support and encourage financial elite control.

That's the painful truth.

[Elvis]

We were put to the test. Draconian, overtly fascist/totalitarian measures were pushed on populations.

In what world is offering laid-off workers a job a "draconian, overtly fascist/totalitarian measure"?

MASSIVE RESISTANCE COULD END THE ONGOING IMPOVERISHMENT OF THE WORKING CLASS BY ELIMINATING FORCED UNEMPLOYMENT.

But no—LOL—somehow that would be bad.

The failure of critical thinking is stunning.

Instead of ending the social and economic scourge of unemployment, those of "your ilk" take the COWARDLY/COMPLIANT/COMPLICIT route, blindly subscribing to FALSE economic narratives promoted by the financial elite. And so the plight of working people just gets worse.

You've identified some economic villians but seem to have looked past the actual victims: working people. I don't hear any plan from you to fix it.

I lost a job (though fortunately I regained another one without 'skipping a beat'; many others were not as fortunate). My better-half lost a job as well.

A job guarantee fixes that. The Fed's MANDATE is to put people out of work in order to avoid inflation. You seem to think that's a great policy; you never speak against it, only defend it.

Whose side are you on? Not the working class.

masking children

Masking children has absolutely nothing to do with a 50-year policy of economic warfare on the working classes. "Masking children" is a great distraction—among a long list—from the financial elite's looting of middle class wealth.

You're either with working people or you're against them.

Keep allowing yourself to be misdirected; one of many examples for how the controls are kept on us.

The threat of involuntary unemployment is the #1 way the financial elite controls us. Continue to support their mission. It's the easy way, you don't have to do anything, just keep defending their indefensible methods.

Focus on pandemic responses, trans people, migrants, "donny tiny hands" and "sleepy joe" etc. are all misdirections that draw attention away from the crushing economic burdens of unemployment, private health insurance, growing medical debt, and excessive market power—all things that have direct remedies, but all are essential to maintaining financial elite control.

Get the fuck out of here with such delusions

Tone it down a little or you'll be the fuck out here.

[DrEvil]

@BelSav wrote:

YOU, and many like you, failed the fucking litmus test -- BIG TIME -- during 2020 - ~2022. We were put to the test. Draconian, overtly fascist/totalitarian measures were pushed on populations.

Are any of those draconian measures still in effect? You're being put to the test right now too, with fascist/totalitarian measures - being enacted by actual, in your face fascists - that are going to have long-lasting effects on everyone.

You've got Trump doing his best to collapse the economy, Musk stooges poking around classified data and doing who-knows-what at the treasury and office of personnel management, people in charge of oversight getting fired en-masse, government officials and the president threatening military action against allies, protections for vulnerable groups getting wiped out across the board, every single transgendered person is now misgendered on official documents, and a whole bunch of other stuff just in the last couple of weeks. The entire country is getting portioned up and divided among the oligarchs.

[stickdog99]

Are any of those draconian measures still in effect?

Are any of those who put them into effect admitting that these measures were counterproductive authoritarian overreaches and promising not to reimplement them at the very next possible excuse?

Are any of those who supported these measures as a "common sense" response to a public health emergency admitting that these measures were counterproductive authoritarian overreaches and promising to protest them when they are again implemented at the very next possible excuse?

See the last two replies on this thread for your answer to the latter question.

[Harvey]

"How many angels can dance on the head of an elephant, in a room?"
"I don't know, but I'm taking bets."
"..."

[DrEvil]

Are any of those draconian measures still in effect?

Are any of those who put them into effect admitting that these measures were counterproductive authoritarian overreaches and promising not to reimplement them at the very next possible excuse?

Are any of those who supported these measures as a "common sense" response to a public health emergency admitting that these measures were counterproductive authoritarian overreaches and promising to protest them when they are again implemented at the very next possible excuse?

See the last two replies on this thread for your answer to the latter question.

Yes. I think at least some part of our disagreement on this is that our experiences were different. As an example, vaccine mandates are illegal where I live. I think one company tried mandating vaccines, and were immediately shut down by both the unions and the government.

After the whole clusterfuck was over there was plenty of debate, and a general agreement that the lockdowns were excessive, and to be avoided in the future. As far as anyone here is concerned, it happened, it was shit, and let's please not do that again.

Also, unlike the US, it didn't immediately devolve into partisan bullshit, so that probably helped. We didn't dig trenches and make it our whole personality. We got through it, it sucked, and now we've moved on to the next clusterfuck.

[Elvis]

We didn't dig trenches and make it our whole personality.

[Belligerent Savant]

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We didn't dig trenches and make it our whole personality.

Neither did we, you obtuse half-wits.

It was a series of BRAZEN, EGREGIOUS AFFRONTS - CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, and UNPRECEDENTED IN SCALE. It NEEDED wide-scale rebuke, exposure, and recognition to avoid recurrence. Most of us would not persist if there was a shred of acknowledgement and/or accountability. But too many modern-day humans are clearly incapable of proper self-reflection. DENIAL and AVOIDANCE is far easier, facilitated in no small part by mass media blackouts/obfuscations/gaslighting.

Both of you (DrEvil, Elvis) continue to focus on numerous topics that had/have far less overall impact globally than the events that occurred from late 2019 - ~2022. So the above-quoted retort is, at best, dishonest.

Stickdog's last comment above will never be answered with satisfaction or honesty, clearly.

[Grizzly]

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This.

[Elvis]

you obtuse half-wits

Did you read what I said?

[DrEvil]

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:thumbsup

We didn't dig trenches and make it our whole personality.

Neither did we, you obtuse half-wits.

It was a series of BRAZEN, EGREGIOUS AFFRONTS - CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY, and UNPRECEDENTED IN SCALE. It NEEDED wide-scale rebuke, exposure, and recognition to avoid recurrence. Most of us would not persist if there was a shred of acknowledgement and/or accountability. But too many modern-day humans are clearly incapable of proper self-reflection. DENIAL and AVOIDANCE is far easier, facilitated in no small part by mass media blackouts/obfuscations/gaslighting.

Both of you (DrEvil, Elvis) continue to focus on numerous topics that had/have far less overall impact globally than the events that occurred from late 2019 - ~2022. So the above-quoted retort is, at best, dishonest.

Stickdog's last comment above will never be answered with satisfaction or honesty, clearly.

YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW YOU ABSOLUTE MUGGLE! It's you, noble truth-teller and infallible crusader, against the obtuse halfwits and assorted other subhumans who dare disagree with you or think there's a bit more nuance to things.

We could be discussing cat videos or knitting, and you would find some way to bring covid into it, so why would I want to discuss this with you? You're a zealot, it's pointless.