Gates is in @ DoD for one reason: Nicaragua & Ortega

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Gates is in @ DoD for one reason: Nicaragua & Ortega

Postby yesferatu » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:16 am

We'll be spreading death in Nicaragua very soon. Rummy was not the man for the new (old) enemy. He played his part and yes, did everything right in Iraq...from the PTB perspective.
I am not so sure anymore whether Ortega is not some kind of amerikan asset. <shrugs> Interesting they will REALLY need a diversion from Iraq very very soon, and well looky there! Commies! They figured out Iran is too problematic...so, "hmmmm, what to do, what to do...How do we continue spreading death? Need something a little easier....Hey, good ol' asset Ortega can help!" How convenient.
It's funny to see the joy some have over Rummy's departure. Puhleez. Get some hardcore cynicism and think about it. Rummy was not the man for this new twist in the amerikan death machine. Watch it roll along.
Same as it ever was. Dems in control? woopie
Check out Gates' Nicaraguan death and atrocity resume, and why he was hired.
My new level of cynicism is this: there is no other objective other than their gut level feeling of excitement in spreading death. That is amerika.
Amerika whoops it up to hear Bush being extolled while being described as drinking the blood of people he has killed (Borat).
There are others more capable than I at commenting on twists and turns of plots and nuances and hidden agendas....it may be hard for me to add much from here on, since I have arrived at this understanding of "them".
They kill because they can, and because they like it. Period.
New board, new yesfer. And so, I may not comment very much anymore on the imperialist, fascist machinations of amerika. There is not much more to say, once it is understood it is horribly simple.
I'll probably try to stick to fortean and high strangeness. Cause the reality of murderous normalcy is too obvious to try and whip up more detail and contrivances than just that one condensated detail I have already noted.

Edit: I knew it was DoD, but my title had CIA...duh.
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sez it all:

Postby tal » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:37 am

http://infowars.net/articles/november2006/081106Rumsfeld_Sacrifice.htm


Figureheads On The Chopping Block
Big oil interests have had enough of being bashed over Iraq, Rumsfeld sacrificed, 'Democratic Revolution' a good cop/bad cop smokescreen, Two factions emerge, Is Cheney next?


Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Wednesday, November 8, 2006

Donald Rumsfeld's sacrifice has been a done deal for weeks and is the first scene of what insiders have dubbed a Shakespearean like play that will characterize the final years of the George W Bush administration.

As usual all the main players have their parts, yet we are about to witness the implosion of the Neoconservative movement and a possible vicious battle for power between America's corporate elite. The 'Democratic Revolution' is little more than a subplot to the greater story, the events of which have always been dictated by globalist power structures.

Alex Jones was joined on air briefly today by BBC and ABC investigative journalist Greg Palast who laid out the real reason for the demise of Donald Rumsfeld.

"Don Rumsfeld is not Commander in Chief. Don Rumsfeld did not stand up in front of the United Nations and say Saddam had WMD...If anybody is to be fired over Iraq it's the Commander in Chief" Palast fumed.

Palast asserts that Rumsfeld had already lost all his power and was simply a figurehead, a lightening rod to absorb all the ammo of the opposition. According to Palast's sources he had allied himself against the oil company forces controlling the administration, and he had crossed Dick Cheney. Greg Palast maintains that this was the information he received around a year and a half ago, and since then Rumsfeld has been simply a figurehead.

"Rummy’s the puppet — but the problem is the puppeteer." Palast states in his latest article.

Palast went on to reveal that the big oil companies have taken as much as they can handle with regards to the Iraq war and are calling the shots on who stays and who goes. Rumsfeld's axing is mainly down to the "Independent" Iraq study group, run by uber elitist James Baker who represents the oil cartels in taking back complete control.

"This is now saying that James Baker will have complete control over the Iraq policy. And if you don't know James Baker, he is the lawyer for Exxon mobil Corporation, he is the lawyer for the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, another great democracy. The oil companies have now said that they can't even have Rumsfeld in as a figurehead." Palast declared.

James Baker has never been 'independent' or 'bipartisan', he is heavily involved with long term elite corporations such as the Carlyle Group and law firm Baker Botts, and is a staunch Bush ally, having served as Secretary of State under HW Bush and being the official family lawyer. He was an architect of the first gulf war and has been intimately involved in the current Iraq war. He also personally stole the 2000 election for George W Bush whilst acting as his chief legal advisor and overseeing the Florida recount. All these facts are simply taken from his Wikipedia bio.

Palast's analysis seems spot on the money when factored in with former NSA officer Wayne Madsen's predictions of late October. On October 24, Wayne Madsen Report wrote the following:

"There is something afoot, in a very Shakespearean way, in the White House. Preparing for a post-election massacre of the GOP and the resignation of Donald Rumsfeld as Defense Secretary, two factions are emerging within the White House. One is the neo-con faction surrounding potential scapegoat Vice President Dick Cheney. This faction includes Cheney's own staffers and his and Rumsfeld's sympathizers in the Pentagon, National Security Council, State Department, and media and think tanks. The other is the faction coalescing around the other potential scapegoat -- George W. Bush. This is the most interesting faction as it consists of George H. W. Bush and his closest friends -- James Baker III, Lee Hamilton, former CIA Director Robert Gates, Alan Simpson, Sandra Day O'Connor, and other past luminaries of the George H. W. Bush administration."

Bush's choice to replace Rumsfeld is one of his new inner-circle advisers, Robert Gates. The circling of the wagons in the pending Bush-Cheney battle has begun. Many neocons, including Richard Perle and Ken Adelman, sensing that Cheney and the neocon cause is in trouble, have recently backed down from their early cheerleading for the Iraq war.

Madsen was bang on the money, Robert Gates is Rumsfeld's replacement, and it seems daddy has stepped in to save Georgie junior from the consequences of his actions one more time. Cheney's neocon buddies, the prime example being "the prince of darkness" Richard Perle, have jumped ship like the hideous infested rats that they have always been. Scuttling off back into the shadows to wait until its safe to re-emerge again and feed.

Will Cheney be next? He has said that he will not testify before Congress if he was subpoenaed. The reason he gave was that in his world "The Vice President and President and constitutional officers don’t appear before the Congress." This could be swiftly solved and Cheney made to take the fall if the Baker/Bush faction ejects him.

We are staring the New World Order in the face on this one. Think of the years and years of loyalty Rumsfeld has given to them, and try to remember for how long we despised his actions and perhaps forgot that he is fodder to them, he is the dog dirt on their shoes and they have simply flicked him off in one swift motion in order that they can carry on raping, pillaging and destroying the country for everything it is worth.

And if you thought Rumsfeld was bad, check out his replacement, Robert Gates. He served for 26 years in the CIA and the National Security Council. Under President George H.W. Bush, he served as Director of Central Intelligence and is of course firmly in the camp as he served as a member of the 'bipartisan' Iraq commission headed by James A. Baker III.

Like Baker, Gates was deeply involved in the Iran/contra affair. His testimony has been proven to be made up of lies and untruths, yet at the time it was not proven "beyond a reasonable doubt that Gates was deliberately not telling the truth" and he got off scott free, a good benchmark when taking up a position under a Bush family member.

Whilst half the country is running around ecstatically declaring a major victory, the elite power-mongers are tightening their stranglehold on America and preparing to bring out the big guns.

Gates has to be confirmed by the Senate - and if Democrats win it, this will be the first test of their supposed check and balance on Bush's Decidership.

With Nancy Pelosi firmly within the Bush faction who would bet against Gates becoming Secretary of Defense?

Greg Palast further explained why a Democratic Congress will still suit the Bush power faction:

"There are too many skeletons in the Democrats' closets and the last thing they want to do is start opening up investigations. We are going to see the new Whitewash Commission with James Baker. If you take out the President and impeach him for lying, you're gonna take out a third of the Democrat Senators with him."
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Postby Gouda » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:21 am

Yesfer, do you really think this swap was all about Ortega? I mean, really? Never mind the fact that Ortega is less of an 'anti-democratic force' these days - sending out (perhaps cleverly) mixed messages about cooperation with business and the free market - and though it can't be denied that central and south America (mostly Venezuela and the guarani/chaco region of the tri-border area) remain very high priority for the plutocrats - especially as a fall back position in case of setbacks in pursuit the ongoing strategic prize: control of the center of the chess board - Eurasia and the middle east, oil, water, markets, drugs, nukes, etc. is where the action shall remain for the time being. As I think I understand it. Gates is in on Baker/HW/Saudi middle-east planning, and performed superbly in service of Iran-Contra. General Hayden is in possession of the phone and email transcripts of the entire government, which should keep leaks and dissent under careful control. Negroponte and Gates together will transfer, to the middle east, lessons learned from central america's transitioning from death squads to free markets. The new democratic congress will be inclined to support a "humanitarian stability" strategy shift (stability = institutionalize both a black and a regular market) a la Bosnia and Kosovo, for Iraq/Afghanistan via the Baker Group and Princeton Project recommendations. The Korea/China/Japan stuff will also get much more interesting.

As for the Watson article - interesting that Madsen was finally right about something. His predictive record is about as good as mine then. Not good.

I agree with Palast here:
"There are too many skeletons in the Democrats' closets and the last thing they want to do is start opening up investigations. We are going to see the new Whitewash Commission with James Baker. If you take out the President and impeach him for lying, you're gonna take out a third of the Democrat Senators with him."

Finally, I think Watson over-dramatizes (simplifies) the NWO "flicking off" of Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld knows very well how it works and was a willing participant. You watch, he will land a very lucrative and powerful position(s) in a private sector that had been deliberately advantaged during his tenure. Probably not based in Germany. That's my fairly obvious prediction. Watch what he does next, and you may see a more accurate reading of the NWO script...

Public office is surely a proving ground and ritual initiation into a private temple, with capital rewards, inter alia. More mundanely put, public office is little more than vacation planning for private corporate retirement. Even so, you won't get poolside if you weren't able to draw business to the hotel. Even better if you were able to eliminate competition and help consolidate beachfront monopoly over a few dead bodies. Round and round they go, public private public private....

How about another MC Escher pictorial illustration. I especially like the little snorting one perched momentarily on the pentagon:

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Postby NavnDansk » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:13 am

http:/ /www. truemajority.org/

YOU DID IT: RUMSFELD OUT!

Now seize the mandate for peace in Iraq

The news just came in that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, one of the key architects of the debacle in Iraq, is finally stepping down. Experts said this would *never* happen, because Rumsfeld was so close to President Bush. Your overwhelming rejection of Rumsfeld-Bush war in Iraq yesterday changed all those rules though.

Even President Bush has realized that things have to change in Iraq. Starting now, we'll push the newly-elected Congress to Bring our Troops Home. Dozens of peace and community groups are launching a new post-election campaign this week called "Mandate for Peace."
Sign on now to get this rejuvenated campaign off to a big start.
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Send this petition to:

* Your Congressperson

We insist that the newly elected Congress, in its earliest days in office, pass legislation requiring the prompt removal of all US troops from Iraq and discontinue funding for military purposes in Iraq except the safe withdrawal of all U.S. forces.
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And why was Gates arming the Contra? Why, to overthrow Daniel Ortega! History repeating itself, with the exact same people, as Wonkette points out….

Lotsa questions for this Gates fellow, including exactly how Casey got his brain cancer anyway.

-So I guess the lameduck Senate will be tasked with confirming Mr. Gates? Will the Armed Services Committee get to see all the sealed BoooshOne papers? Will Lawrence Walsh, Larry Johnson, and Robert McGovern be called to testify?

Senator Warner, what’s your agenda look like?

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Great Escher - never saw that particular piece before. Haven't seen all his work - need to look him up on Wiki - they do have great links for artist even if political entries leave out too much.
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furthermore....

Postby Gouda » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:44 am

More reasons to love Gates: he's a uniter, not a divider. He's (also) there to further unify and consolidate the power of the intelligence and military communities.

This is summarized nicely by one Fritz W. Ermarth, a National Security Brother of Gates, in an interview with The National Interest Online which informs us that Ermarth "worked closely with Robert Gates during his broad intelligence and policy career." Here he gives us "his perspective of what Gates’s leadership at the Pentagon could mean in terms of Iraq, intelligence gathering, and more."

Knowing Gates
http://www.nationalinterest.org/Article.aspx?id=12956

TNI: What could Gates’s Pentagon leadership mean in terms of intelligence gathering at the Department of Defense and the DOD’s cooperation with the national intelligence director?

FWE: Well, Gates’s appointment is a huge plus in the intelligence department, because, to put it in one pithy sentence, it is really one of the key things that can make this National Intelligence Directorship and the reform of our community work. You could put God Almighty in charge of U.S. national intelligence, and he’s got to have a good relationship with a secretary of defense who understands and supports intelligence. And that is Mr. Gates, par excellence. It is going to be a real plus for intelligence because it’ll put to rest a lot of this nonsense about turf wars between the secretary of defense and the national intelligence director. There’s just no way you can cut that baby in half, and he is the man in the Pentagon that could make that work.

TNI: Is there anything you would like to add on your perspective of Gates?

FWE: Yes indeed. In addition to the intelligence role that he will play, and a definite muting if not elimination of the tensions between the Pentagon and the national intelligence director, he brings two big things to the party. One, he understands big agencies, big programs, lots of people and lots of money—from being the director of central intelligence, being in the national-security business all these years and running a big university. If you’ve ever been in a university faculty or administration, you’d know what I mean. That is really demanding, and he’s evidently done that very well.

But let me underscore a point I made earlier: This is an extremely thoughtful man. He’s got his values, he’s got his principles, you might even say he’s got his ideology. He checks everything. He does not get pushed into decisions on impulse.

(...)

TNI: You mentioned: “you might even say he’s got his ideology.” Is there something in his ideology or in his career experience that would now make him particularly suited to put into effect such a backup plan?

FWE: He’s very realistic, and he’s very committed to the exercise of American power in a thoughtful way, and I think for all those reasons he’s an excellent choice.

TNI: What would you say his ideology is?

FWE: He’s a national security professional. He comes from a camp with which I personally identify. He understands strategic realities such that he’ll know we can’t back out of the situation we have in Iraq, but we can’t stay in it either without behaving very deftly and getting as much support as we can.
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Postby dbeach » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:53 am

Ortega as an CIA asset?? Why Not?

dirty blood money still spends..

I don't belive any of these so called govt leaders have ever had an independent thought

Gates = dope ...arms peddlin... disinfo
and a key player for GHW Bush..

whenever W Bush has problems Opium Poppy Bush brings in his mobsters to quite down the masses

rummy is out

dims are in

gate is back in

"Much Ado about Nothing"
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Postby nomo » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:05 pm

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Rumsfield replacement (Robert Gates) was director of voting company by Bev Harris

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfield will resign, reportedly to be replaced by former CIA director Robert Gates.

Gates was on the board of directors of VoteHere, a strange little company that was the biggest elections industry lobbyist for the Help America Vote Act (HAVA). VoteHere spent more money than ES&S, Diebold, and Sequoia combined to help ram HAVA through. And HAVA, of course, was a bill sponsored by by convicted Abramoff pal Bob Ney and K-street lobbyist buddy Steny Hoyer. HAVA put electronic voting on steroids.

You can find copies of the VoteHere lobbying forms here: http://sopr.senate.gov/cgi-win/m_opr_viewer.exe?DoFn=0

I can't get them to save to pdf, perhaps you can. Enter search terms in both "registrant" and "client" fields and put in terms "Rhoads" "Livingston" and "Votehere" (one at a time.). Then look at the gravy train while it was in the process of derailing American democracy.

I first became acquainted with VoteHere when I met a source, Dan Spillane, who is the wonderful guy that identified the Diebold source code modules for me after I found the Diebold files. He is the person who introduced me, and subsequently everyone else, to the odd role of The Election Center and R. Doug Lewis in the elections industry.

Spillane also filled me in on The Livingston Group, VoteHere lobbyists, run by Bob Livingston -- the fellow that Hustler publisher Larry Flynt outed during the Bill Clinton blow job days. Larry Flynt offered a million dollars to anyone who could locate a Republican congressman committing adultery, and out popped peccadilloes by Livingston.

Livingston couldn't live that one down, so he resigned his post as House Speaker-Elect and became a lobbyist -- but that's not all! He also launched a group called "Center for Democracy" which was going to "monitor elections." This group also featured several good old boys from the tobacco industry and some mining companies.

Former VoteHere test engineer Dan Spillane was looking into all this because he had been fired after he questioned the certification process on a touch-screen system in which he had identified 250 flaws. It was way back in November 2002 that Spillane told me, "The voting machine industry is a house of cards. And the certification and testing process is the bottom card in the house of cards."

BUT DON'T RUN OUT OF THE ROOM TO TAKE A SHOWER YET. There's more.

VoteHere was a company shilling cryptographic solutions and filled with NSA types (another director was Admiral Bill Owens, another crony of Rummy, Perle and Wolfowitz). For some reason this company claims it was unable to prevent itself from being hacked. In this alleged hack, VoteHere claims that someone stole their source code. Said source code was offered to me in October 2003, an obvious attempt at entrapment which I refused.

Nevertheless, VoteHere claimed to the media that its master security experts had supposedly "tracked" the hacker and had identified the hacker as an activist in the election reform community.

For some reason, it was decided that I should be investigated in connection with this "hack" of VoteHere -- nevermind that I can't remember how to change the password on my own laptop. Therefore I was interviewed by the Secret Service several times about this. Curiously, they never seemed to ask any questions about VoteHere, only my role in finding the Diebold files and publishing the Diebold memos.

This nonsense eventually culminated in a gag order and a letter from the U.S. Attorney to appear in front of a federal grand jury with information on all the visitors to the Black Box Voting Web site. (As if they couldn't get that in less dramatic ways in post-Patriot Act America). Attorney Lowell Finley (now with http://www.VoterAction.org ) went to bat for me on this. A reporter named George Howland from the Seattle Weekly also got wind of it. When it hit the press, and with Lowell Finley's help, their harassment of me stopped.

VoteHere never sold any voting machines that I can find, but apparently did set up some deals to embed its cryptography into some voting systems. We found memos in the Diebold trash about VoteHere's crypto-crap, and Maryland Director of Elections Linda Lamone shows up in VoteHere-related letters. Sequoia Voting Systems signed an agreement with VoteHere, but its not clear to me whether they ever did anything about it.

Robert Gates stepped away from VoteHere shortly before he showed up in Chapter 8 of my book, Black Box Voting, in a short bit about the VoteHere company history. You can read that here: http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf

I don't know about you, but I'd rather use a paper, pencil, and count by hand at the polling place than have former CIA director Robert Gates fooling around with my vote.

But that's just me.

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Postby Gouda » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:38 pm

Gates was on the board of directors of VoteHere, a strange little company that was the biggest elections industry lobbyist for the Help America Vote Act (HAVA). VoteHere spent more money than ES&S, Diebold, and Sequoia combined to help ram HAVA through. And HAVA, of course, was a bill sponsored by by convicted Abramoff pal Bob Ney and K-street lobbyist buddy Steny Hoyer. HAVA put electronic voting on steroids.

Is that the same Rep Steny Hoyer (D-MA) battling it out with equally dodgy Murtha for House Majority Leader? Nice. Things also cozy there. Corp Mil-Intel complex wins again.
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The value of replays.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:17 pm

So I guess the lameduck Senate will be tasked with confirming Mr. Gates? Will the Armed Services Committee get to see all the sealed BoooshOne papers? Will Lawrence Walsh, Larry Johnson, and Robert McGovern be called to testify?


How convenient that Johnson and McGovern get so much platform from the internet left.
Time to grill them and remind people what a gatekeeper is.

Off to truthout.org to see what those laddies are saying about their co-worker's nomination to the War Department....
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From a Kos Diary

Postby Gouda » Fri Nov 10, 2006 5:49 am

Robert Gates Promoted and Financed Osama Bin Laden
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/9/34541/0328

by LondonYank
Thu Nov 09, 2006 at 12:45:40 AM PST

Robert Gates made Osama Bin Laden what he is today. This is not exaggeration. By funding Osama Bin Laden's operations, training camps, weaponry and political influence from 1979 (even before Russia invaded Afghanistan), Robert Gates personally gave us our principal enemy in the "War on Terror".

More frighteningly, all of Robert Gates' support to Osama Bin Laden ran through Pakistan's ISI. ISI has been linked to training and funding the 9/11 bombers, the London bombers, the Madrid bombers, the Bali bombers and the Delhi bombers but is strangely immune from official Washington scrutiny.

I really wonder which side Robert Gates thinks he's on. With a 30 year history of pomoting and financing state and non-state terrorism, I doubt it is the side of the peace and prosperity of the American people and bringing our troops home safe.

* LondonYank's diary :: ::
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CREATING A QUAGMIRE - PART I

It is ironic indeed that a man who engineered the quagmire in Afghanistan which bankrupted and demoralised the Soviet Union, precipitating its collapse, should be brought in to direct our own quagmire which is bankrupting the United States Treasury and precipitating the collapse of American hegemony in the world.

In his 1996 memoir From the Shadows, former Director of Central Intelligence Robert Gates revealed the $500 million in non-lethal aid which was designed to counter the billions the Soviets were providing their puppet regime. Some American policymakers were eager to lure the Soviets into a Vietnam-like entanglement. Gates recounts that at a key meeting on March 30, 1979, Under Secretary of Defense Walter Slocumbe wondered aloud whether 'there was value in keeping the Afghan insurgency going, "sucking the Soviets into a Vietnamese quagmire."' Former US National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski said in a 1998 interview with the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur,: 'We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.'

The cynicism with which Gates and others backed Al Qaeda is revealed in this Zbigniew Brzezinski interview:

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

The CIA was instrumental in setting up the network of madrassas in Pakistan which train the bulk of Islamic terrorists worldwide and in promoting the regional spread of fundamentalist Islamic jihad.

"[I]t was the government of the United States who supported Pakistani dictator General Zia-ul Haq in creating thousands of religious schools from which the germs of Taliban emerged." (Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA), RAWA Statement on the Terrorist Attacks In the US, Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG), http://globalresearch.ca/... , 16 September 2001)

US support to the Mujahideen initiated during the Carter administration led to the pumping of "billions of dollars into the Afghan cause and thousands of Islamic zealots were given specialist training in the US and Britain." (Review of John Cooley's Unholy Wars - Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, http://www.neue-einheit.com/... ) :

"In the United States they experienced tough courses in endurance, weapons use, sabotage, and killing techniques, communications and other skills. They were required to impart these skills to the scores of thousands of fighters who formed the centre and the base of the pyramid of holy war." (John K. Cooley, Unholy Wars - Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, London Pluto Press, 1999, p. 81.) . . .

The CIA became the grand coordinator : purchasing or arranging the manufacture of Soviet-style weapons from Egypt, China, Poland, Israel and elsewhere, or supplying their own ; arranging for military training by Americans, Egyptians, Chinese and Iranians ; hitting up Middle-Eastern countries for donations, notably Saudi Arabia which gave many hundreds of millions of dollars in aid each year, totaling probably more than a billion ; pressuring and bribing Pakistan -- with whom recent American relations had been very poor -- to rent out its country as a military staging area and sanctuary ; putting the Pakistani Director of Military Operations, Brigadier Mian Mohammad Afzal, onto the CIA payroll to ensure Pakistani cooperation. (Phil Gasper, Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban International Socialist Review, November-December 2001, http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/... )

A RECIPE FOR COOKED INTELLIGENCE AND COVER-UPS

Melvin Goodman, a 20 year veteran of the CIA who testified against confirmation of Gates in 1991, writes in Foreign Policy in Focus:

In his memoirs, former secretary of state George Shultz demonstrated that CIA involvement in a policy of covert action tainted its intelligence. His memoirs remind us that when operations and analysis get mixed up, "the president gets bum dope." Shultz demonstrated how this happened in the 1980s in Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan, all contributign to the strife we face today in Southwest Asia. CIA director William Casey and his deputy Robert Gates covered up important intelligence regarding Pakistani nuclear developments in order to protect the covert action program supporting the mujahedeen in Afghanistan, and they exaggerated the role of the Stingers against Soviet forces in order to trumpet clandestine deliveries of surface-to-air weapons. When I challenged the operational director of the deliveries about providing weapons to the most reactionary members of the mujahedeen long after the Soviet withdrawal, he responded "we merely delivered the weapons to Pakistan and let God sort it out." This is the mentality that provided weapons and influence to Bin Laden and other anti-western fanatics.

CREATING A QUAGMIRE - PART II: THE QUAGMIRE COMES HOME TO ROOST.

The CIA, ever mindful of the need to justify its "mission," had conclusive evidence by the mid-1980s of the deepening crisis of infrastructure within the Soviet Union. The CIA, as its deputy director Robert Gates acknowledged under congressional questioning in 1992, had decided to keep that evidence from President Reagan and his top advisors and instead continued to grossly exaggerate Soviet military and technological capabilities in its annual "Soviet Military Power" report right up to 1990.

Given that context, a decision was made to provide America's potential enemies with the arms, money - and most importantly - the knowledge of how to run a war of attrition violent and well-organized enough to humble a superpower.

That decision is coming home to roost.

The Cold Warriors were proud of luring the Soviets into the quagmire of Afghanistan, but their role in luring the United States into the quagmires of Afghanistan and Iraq remains too murky.

"The full story of the productive (sic) U.S.-China cooperation directed against the Soviet Union (especially in regard to Afghanistan), initiated by the Carter Administration and continued under Reagan, still remains to be told," Brzezinski wrote in his book, The Geostrategic Triad.

That story needs to be told before Robert Gates is confirmed as Secretary of Defense.

WE OWE OUR TROOPS BETTER

We owe it to our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq not to put them under the command of a man implicated in financing and training the enemies they fight. We owe it to the troops to give them a commander who will protect them from IEDs and missiles, not one with a proven record of protecting the ISI who supplies those weapons.

Update [2006-11-9 17:13:4 by LondonYank]:: A couple people have criticised lack of direct ties between OBL and Gates. Below are extracts from two articles which are heavily footnoted with sources.

Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden and the Taliban By Phil Gasper

One of the first non-Afghan volunteers to join the ranks of the mujahideen was Osama bin Laden, a civil engineer and businessman from a wealthy construction family in Saudi Arabia, with close ties to members of the Saudi royal family. Bin Laden recruited 4,000 volunteers from his own country and developed close relations with the most radical mujahideen leaders. He also worked closely with the CIA, raising money from private Saudi citizens. By 1984, he was running the Maktab al-Khidamar, an organization set up by the ISI to funnel "money, arms, and fighters from the outside world in the Afghan war."

Since September 11, CIA officials have been claiming they had no direct link to bin Laden. These denials lack credibility. Earlier this year, the trial of defendants accused of the 1998 U.S. embassy bombing in Kenya disclosed that the CIA shipped high-powered sniper rifles directly to bin Laden's operation in 1989. Even the Tennessee-based manufacturer of the rifles confirmed this.34 According to the Boston Globe,

Some military analysts and specialists on the weapons trade say the CIA has spent years covering its tracks on its early ties to the Afghan forces.... Despite the CIA's denials, these experts say it was inevitable that the military training in guerrilla tactics and the vast reservoir of money and arms that the CIA provided in Afghanistan would have ended up helping bin Laden and his forces during the 1980s.35

"In 1988, with U.S. knowledge, bin Laden created Al-Qaeda (The Base): a conglomerate of quasi independent Islamic terrorist cells spread across at least 26 countries," writes Indian journalist Rahul Bhedi. "Washington turned a blind eye to Al-Qaeda, confident that it would not directly impinge on the U.S."36

The 9/11 Commission One Year Later (PDF at page 205)

The Formation of al-Qaeda As early as June 1979, and perhaps earlier, the United States had already commenced a series of covert operations in Afghanistan designed to exploit the potential for social conflict. According to Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Adviser under the Carter Administration, US involvement had begun long before the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan on December 27, 1979. (1) Brzezinski's revelations have been corroborated by former CIA Director Robert Gates in his memoirs From the Shadows, where he writes that US intelligence began sponsoring an Afghan rebellion in Afghanistan six months before Soviet intervention. (2)

According to Jane's Defense Weekly, the ISI operatives in contact with al-Qaeda had received assistance from "American Green Beret commandos and Navy SEALS in various US training establishments." Over 10,000 mujahideen were "trained in guerilla warfare and armed with sophisticated weapons." By 1988, Jane's reports that "with US knowledge, Bin Laden created Al Qaeda (The Base): a conglomerate of quasi-independent Islamic terrorist cells in countries spread across at least 26 countries." But in the meantime, "Washington turned a blind eye to Al-Qaeda." (3)
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Gates once more....

Postby stoneonstone » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:20 pm

Seems to me that there is another nexus in his re-appearance.

Poppy and the gang appear to be pulling nuts out of the fire.

It's been years since I looked at my old October Surprise files, but I recall that Gates was one of the CIA gang that was reputed to be in the mess. That'd tie nicely with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad being identified as a former Hostage Crisis player http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/id28.html.

And it helps explain the stuff floating around that Gates is pushing to come to terms with Iran.

Maybe they have a long-standing in on that front...

Everytime you see a fresh load, it helps to remember the previous spoor one stepped in.

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