There are no tinfoil hats anymore - Joe Wilson

[seemslikeadream]

<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/3/01750/2057" target="top">www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/11/3/01750/2057</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>The final question came from, as it turned out, myself.<br><br>I asked a serious question about how he thinks the Bush administration will respond if the Dems DO retake both houses of Congress, considering that a) Bush can now LEGALLY arrest, lock up and torture any U.S. citizen he wants to; b) Bush can now declare martial law anywhere and anytime he wants to; and c) Rumor has it that FEMA has contracted with Halliburton to build dozens of detention centers here in the U.S..<br><br>His response was, let's just say, not encouraging.<br><br>Let me put it this way: Did you see the Oliver Stone/Anthony Hopkins take on Nixon? Towards the end, when his administration is crumbling all around him, he takes Alexander Haig (Power Boothe) aside and asks him what options he has left. Haig rattles off a few last-ditch legal maneuvers, and then states, somberly, that "you do still have...the military..." ...at which point Nixon basically folds, pulling himself and the nation back from the brink of insanity.<br><br>Well, apparently something like this really happened, because Wilson described Nixon's final days very similarly. His point was this: Nixon, while deeply flawed, did in the end show some respect for the Constitution.<br><br>George W. Bush is the one who (allegedly?) once literally referred to the Constitution as "just a G-dd*mn piece of paper" some months ago.<br><br>In short, Wilson anticipates that starting November 8th (or more likely in January, when the new Congress takes office), the United States will very likely have not one, but several Constitutional crisis' occur.<br><br>I prefaced my question by admitting that I might be going into tinfoil hat territory. Unfortunately, Wilson stated that at this point, under this administration "there are no tinfoil hats anymore."<br><br>The look on my face in the last photo was still there from his answer. He was able to recover and smile for the camera faster than I could; makes sense, given how much crap he's had to deal with for the past 3 years.<br><br>It wasn't Wilson's response itself that made me think this was worthy of re-posting; it was the fact that he was the one who made it. This wasn't some paranoid guy at the bowling alley; this was Ambassador Joseph friggin' Wilson, and he was deadly serious.<br><br>Both Nancy and Jim could use some last-minute cash:<br> <p></p><i></i>

[HMKGrey]

Yep. My fear exactly. <br><br>IF they lose one or both houses, I fully expect them to pull the whole thing in on top of themselves. <br><br>That said, after watching the Bev Harris documentary on HBO last night... they could yet win by a landslide with the media citing reluctance to change leadership during war time as the key... <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

If the thugs don't win, expect all hell to break loose anyway. It will start with charges of election theft with the help of Chavez owned voting machines, and go downhill from there, with the full support and collaboration of msm. You think Clenis was bad? You ain't seen nothin' yet. We won't be able to escape from the anti-dem tirades-demands for investigations into Dem "scandals", allegations of treason, of aiding and abetting terrorism, on and on, screaming at us 24/7. Dems won't get a damn thing done, and it will most likely kick into highest gear when Chairman John Conyers starts issuing subpoenaes..<br><br>that is, if Diebold will allow Dems the opportunity to get hammered by the press.. <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

And the US generals in Baghdad are readying for an equivalent of the helicopter lifts off the embassy roof that closed the Vietnam War hoax.<br><br>Combined with the fact that these White House crooks go back to the Reagan days of Oliver North's REX84 FEMA plans to prevent the public from ever again influencing White House wars, this spells a reaching for the emergency cord on the fascist bus to eject unruly passengers.<br><br>It will start with propaganda saturation used like psychological teargas to see if the anti-fascist movement can be chilled and demoralized. Then...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

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[dbeach]

"It will start with propaganda saturation used like psychological teargas to see if the anti-fascist movement can be chilled and demoralized. Then...""<br><br>wonder how joltin Joe's book sales are doing???<br><br>and there's his pal Brent Scowcroft of the ATC<br> <p></p><i></i>

[vigilantwarrior]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/colu ... &cset=true

Who knew slow-hand Keillor was a "conspiracy nut" after all?

People still care deeply about our government, despite every invitation to disillusionment. This is the astonishment. For my generation, the first big blow was the failure of Washington to get to the truth about the assassination of John F. Kennedy and then its inability to change a disastrous course in Vietnam. You stand at the majestic polished wall with the 57,000 names on it, and you look across the river to Arlington, and here, within one mile, are two enormous aching sorrows, and a mile behind you is the U.S. Supreme Court, which threw the election of 2000. Some people killed our president and got away with it; men were shipped off to die in a lousy war promulgated by Democrats afraid to be called weak on communism; and an election was stolen, no protest. And yet we still stroll down to the church and cast our ballots. We live on hope.

[Avalon]

I was rather taken by this comment in the DKos responses, by Uncle Cosmo:

Today most all the decency & moderation have been squeezed out of the GOP, there is no collegiality worth mentioning, the whole gummint is in their hands--basically they've narrowed down their gene pool to a very small anaerobic & photophobic pond, & when the air & the light break in they'll have no one able to survive, because they're all implicated by word or deed or association...

And of course, as appropriate as Bush's alleged comment on the Constitution might be, we must always consider it only to be "alleged," as Capitol Hill Blue will not name sources for statements like this and the remarks earlier about Bush's alleged medications.

I found the remarks about "no tin foil hats" to be somewhat ambiguous. Those who have ascended to Democratic power in this election may be able to present some of the same issues heretofore derided as "conspiracy theory" or "tinfoil" positions, and I certainly hope they can.

But remember that 911 is generally a banned subject at Dkos, and those bringing up contradictions and new evidence are still derided as "conspiracy theorists" and loudly and repeatedly chastised about their breaking of "the rules" for daring to mention such heresies.

Same goes for Democratic Underground, where there at least is "the basement" for the 911 heretics, but forum rules of respectful dialogue seem to be abandoned when Demotrolls come down to bitch-slap those trying to contructively analyze new information.

So it's nice of Joe to make that recognition, but I don't have high expectations that in my lifetime any political, intellectual or spiritual positions I (and many, if not most of us here) hold will escape the event horizon of tinfoilry as far as those in the mainstream are concerned.