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Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby operator kos » Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:46 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1250962/From-hypersexuality-sluggish-cognitive-tempo-disorder-The-excuses-lazy-new-psychiatrists-Bible.html

Lost the remote control and can't be bothered to get up to change the channel on the TV? Don't worry, you're not lazy, you simply have sluggish cognitive tempo disorder.

Or maybe you're prone to a bit of a tantrum when you misplace the car keys? Possibly a sign of intermittent explosive disorder.

These are just two of dozens of extravagantly titled 'conditions' under consideration for the latest edition of the Diagnostics and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders – the psychiatrists' 'bible'.

Symptoms of sluggish cognitive tempo disorder include passiveness, dreaminess and sluggishness – traits that could easily be confused with laziness.

And with other potential entries including sex addiction there are concerns the revised manual will trigger a boom for drugs companies.

Richard Bentall, professor of clinical psychology at Bangor University, dismissed the new conditions as having 'no basis in science', adding: 'The more disorders there are, the more private business psychiatrists get.'

But the American Psychological Association, which compiles the manual, says the new disorders simply reflect changes in our society.

Not all the proposals are so frivolous, with plans to include a new category for autism. Dr David Kupfer, of the revision taskforce, said the book aimed to be 'based upon the best science available'.

People who whinge constantly may be suffering from negativistic personality disorder, while those prone adult tantrums can take comfort in the diagnosis of intermittent explosive disorder.

Sex features prominently in the list of conditions mooted inclusion in the fifth edition of the manual which is due to be published in 2013.

Some of the contenders include hypersexuality, sufferers of which repeatedly act out their sexual fantasies without any thought for the hurt it may cause others.

Those languishing at the other end of the spectrum may be interested to know that their lack of sex drive can be classified as sexual arousal disorder.

Also on the cards for listing is absexuality, nicknamed the 'Mary Whitehouse syndrome', because of its definition as being a condition which people get a thrill out of being appalled by pornography and other obscenities.

While there is no suggestion that Whitehouse got a kick out of salacious viewing, there is no disputing her passion for attacking broadcasters if she felt standards have slipped.

Richard Bentall, professor of clinical psychology at Bangor University, said: 'Most of these diagnoses are meaningless and have no basis in science.

'But the more disorders there are, the more private business psychiatrists get.'

But Darrel Reiger, a member of the taskforce working on the updated manual, which is known as DSM-5, denied that the revisions were influenced by drugs being developed by pharmaceutical companies.


He said: 'One of the reasons for doing this is that we were concerned about establishing better thresholds of diagnosis for people with genuine disorder.'

Not all of the proposals are so frivolous. Other plans include a new category for autism and related disorders such as Asperger's syndrome and improving the criteria for diagnosis of eating disorders such as anorexia and bulimia.

The updated manual is also likely to include scales to help psychiatrists identify people most at risk of suicide.

Dr David Kupfer, who chairs the revision taskforce, said: 'The process for developing DSM-5 continues to be deliberative, thoughtful and inclusive.

'It is our job to review and consider the significant advances that have been made in neuroscience and behavioural science over the pas two decades.

'Skull and Bones The American Psychological Association is committed to developing a manual that is both based upon the best science available and useful to clinicians and researchers.'
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby Simulist » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:04 am

Lucy: Well, as they say on TV, “The mere fact that you realize you need help indicates that you are not too far gone.” I think we better pinpoint your fears. If we can find out what you’re afraid of, we can label it. Are you afraid of responsibility? If you are, then you have hypengyophobia. How ‘bout cats? If you’re afraid of cats, you have ailurophasia. Are you afraid of staircases? If you are, then you have climacophobia. Maybe you have thalassophobia. This is a fear of the ocean. Or gephyrophobia, which is the fear of crossing bridges. Or maybe you have pantophobia. Do you think you have pantophobia?

Charlie Brown: What’s pantophobia?

Lucy: The fear of everything.

Charlie Brown: That’s it!

Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Good grief.
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby Uncle $cam » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:23 am

Closer and closer to Psikhushka, in other words, punitive psychiatry... "compulsory therapeutic treatment and or worse..,etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_58 ... Penal_Code)
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:48 am

Uncle $cam wrote:Closer and closer to Psikhushka, in other words, punitive psychiatry... "compulsory therapeutic treatment and or worse..,etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_58 ... Penal_Code)


Hey you need to fix that link.


operator kos wrote:And then there's this...

Orthorexia: Can Healthy Eating Be a Disorder?

:roll:


From that link:

As the list of foods to steer clear of (bye-bye, trans fats and high-fructose corn syrup) continues to grow, eating-disorder experts are increasingly confronted with patients like Rutzel who speak of nervously shunning foods with artificial flavors, colors or preservatives and rigidly following a particular diet, such as vegan or raw foods. Women may be more prone to this kind of restrictive consumption than men, keeping running tabs of verboten foods and micromanaging food prep. Many opt to go hungry rather than eat anything less than wholesome.


Translation:

Evil feminazi vegan women are crazy!

Stevo did you write that?
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby stefano » Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:49 am

There's a great short story in all of this.
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby stefano » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:08 am

Here's APA's site keeping track of the editing of DSM-V. You can check it for "Disorders not currently listed in DSM-IV". Definitely some kind of disturbance in there for everyone. Mixed Anxiety Depression is probably the one they'll use as a pretext to sedate the relatively conscious. Just a coincidence that it will probably lead to people saying: "Oh, he has M.A.D."?

Mixed Anxiety Depression: having two or more of the following symptoms: irrational worry, preoccupation with unpleasant worries, having trouble relaxing, motor tension, fear that something awful may happen.

This one's like the ones in the OP, attempts to bring any oddity under control and profitable treatment. My mother has an acute case of it.

Hoarding disorder: persistent difficulty discarding or parting with personal possessions, even those of apparently useless or limited value, due to strong urges to save items, distress, and/or indecision associated with discarding.
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby compared2what? » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:25 am

Uncle $cam wrote:Closer and closer to Psikhushka, in other words, punitive psychiatry... "compulsory therapeutic treatment and or worse..,etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_58 ... Penal_Code)


Per the numbers, we've progressively been getting further and further away from it since the mid-1970s, approximately. For a variety of reasons, all of which are eventually reducible to the usual single common denominator ultimately. ($$$.)

FWIW, the Reader's Digest version is basically that from the post-Vietnam/post-acid-damage era onwards, there were just too many people clearly in need of in-patient and/or day-program amounts of rehabilitative care for social awareness of them and their needs to be wholly preventable.

Consequently, the state could no longer get away with the pretense that any of the mental health care services it ostensibly provided to the needy actually existed. Nor were they any more willing to pay what it would cost to provide them than they'd been back when loonies were loonies and bins were bins and the whole ugly business could be safely taken care of cheaply and out of sight.

So. By the late '90s, the overall number of working psychiatrists, psychologists, and social workers was exponentially higher than it had been twenty years earlier. As was the number of people who were voluntarily seeking and receiving treatment of some probably inadequate or actively harmful kind from a wide variety of private practitioners and/or facilities.

But state-mandated and/or state-run and/or state-funded residential care was effectively extinct in most parts of the country by the late '80s. At the same time, with the exception of social workers, the number of people entering the licensed mental-healthcare-giving workforce stopped increasing. Which logic suggests means that in about five or ten years, it should actually start decreasing, assuming death as usual and so forth.

In short, the only reason that the number of floridly mentally ill homeless people roaming the streets hasn't increased by several hundred thousand annually since c. 1982 is that the state long ago stopped going to the trouble of "psychiatric" when direct-to-punitive worked just as well.

By which I mean that they just send the people who once would have been warehoused in state institutions straight to state penitentiaries nowadays. Although that's now showing signs of moving in a private-sector direction, too, actually. And who could have predicted?

Anyway. I don't think it's really time to start worrying about being chased down by butterfly-net-wielding jackbooted thugs from the Department of Health and Human Services just yet, all things considered.

Because among other things, I can easily recall reading at least two articles that were, for all practical purposes, identical to the one in the OP every year since, at a conservative guess, 1992. And not just with no concomitant increase at all in punitive psychiatric practices by the state. There's actually been a very significant decrease in the range of affordable and accessible punitive psychiatric treatments available on a private basis, too!

IOW: It's pretty much meds or nothing for most, irrespective of age, need or income level.

And while that's obviously a bad deal for the most, it's equally obviously an excellent one for the happy few. So I don't really see what they'd have to gain by fucking around to the status quo, to be honest. Because, you know: Why would they, when they can just keep having their cake and eating it too, instead.

It's a grim picture.
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby Uncle $cam » Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:34 am

Uncle $cam wrote:
Closer and closer to Psikhushka, in other words, punitive psychiatry... "compulsory therapeutic treatment and or worse..,etc...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_58 ... Penal_Code)

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
Hey you need to fix that link.


I have no idea why it wont work, as I've tried it several times...

Perhaps this one is better?
Article 58, Criminal Code of the RSFSR (1934)
http://www.cyberussr.com/rus/uk58-e.html#58-1a

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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:12 am

I think its just the last ) is not part of the url.

Maybe it looks like

...._58 ... Penal_Code[/url])

instead of

..._58 ... Penal_Code)[/url]
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby compared2what? » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:29 am

Forgive me for having attempted to breach the bovine stoicism that leaves you so implacably uninterested in the millions of your fellow citizens who are actually living in real-life gulag conditions right now, solely because the state relies on you to disregard them in favor of the self-serving fantasy world in which you're so righteously resisting the non-existent fascist threat to your personal freedom represented by the spectre of punitive psychiatric diagnosis that started haunting Europe seventy or eighty years ago, Uncle $.

If I'd been thinking, I would have realized that your commitment to justice is much too strong to allow you to make any compromises wrt overlooking a chance to show some more of the petty personal animosity you so rightly feel toward me. For having pointed out that your claim of opposition on principle to some number of sneaky and underhanded actions by Jeff that was greater than the one you were able to point to (due to its having been neither sneaky nor underhanded) was somewhat contradicted by your having cut-and-pasted a post of mine to submit under your own name on another site.

Please don't ever let me or anyone else persuade you to show any sign that you give a fuck about anything other than the free pursuit of your own interests. It's a comfort to know that you're strong enough both to ignore me and to stand up to some words that someone with a degree wrote up in hopes of seeing included in a book at the same time. Because if that book ever gets published, it'll be every bit as oppressive as a widely distributed passive and inanimate object can possibly be, I'm quite sure.

So stay classy, will you? And handsome. Plus all those other good things for which I so admire you, basically. You're the best. Never forget that.
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby stefano » Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:57 am

compared2what? wrote:If I'd been thinking, I would have realized that your commitment to justice is much too strong to allow you to make any compromises wrt overlooking a chance to show some more of the petty personal animosity you so rightly feel toward me.
No such thing as too much petty personal animosity, eh what?
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby Peregrine » Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:28 pm

compared2what? wrote:If I'd been thinking, I would have realized that your commitment to justice is much too strong to allow you to make any compromises wrt overlooking a chance to show some more of the petty personal animosity you so rightly feel toward me. For having pointed out that your claim of opposition on principle to some number of sneaky and underhanded actions by Jeff that was greater than the one you were able to point to (due to its having been neither sneaky nor underhanded) was somewhat contradicted by your having cut-and-pasted a post of mine to submit under your own name on another site.

Please don't ever let me or anyone else persuade you to show any sign that you give a fuck about anything other than the free pursuit of your own interests. It's a comfort to know that you're strong enough both to ignore me and to stand up to some words that someone with a degree wrote up in hopes of seeing included in a book at the same time. Because if that book ever gets published, it'll be every bit as oppressive as a widely distributed passive and inanimate object can possibly be, I'm quite sure.



Um, a little confused here. I've gone over the thread wondering what prompted this. Have I missed something? :shrug:
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Re: Lazy? You've got a psychiatric disorder.

Postby operator kos » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:50 pm

My favorite "disorder" of all time is Oppositional Defiant Disorder:

"Oppositional defiant disorder is a pattern of disobedient, hostile,
and defiant behavior toward authority figures."

No one around these part has that, do they?
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