'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

[82_28]

Sorry, 82, that's a load of crap.

It's not David Icke talking it's Wayne Madsen. Wayne Madsen is a fool and even more of a conspira-porn fool than Alex Jones.

Then there's this:

They said that the temperature at that depth, some 400 degrees, will turn the water to steam creating a pressure that will lift the ocean floor. They estimate that this will create a tsunami of between 20 to 80 feet, or even higher, that will bring the poisoned ocean ashore to leave great tracts of land uninhabitable and without life.

American investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, writes that satellite imagery withheld by the Obama administration shows that 'under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest'. This information, he says, has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public.

It's not hot at those depths, it's cold. Really cold. That's why those huge plumes of oil are still underwater, because they're too cold to come all the way to the top.

And yeah, Wayne Madsen. Like that guy is privy to "almost" national security-level classification. And WTF is "almost" national security-level classification.

This is bunk.

No. The depth at the bottom of the hole is how I read it. The water a mile down is that cold, but not 3 more miles down inside the Earth.

[Nordic]

Sorry, 82, that's a load of crap.

It's not David Icke talking it's Wayne Madsen. Wayne Madsen is a fool and even more of a conspira-porn fool than Alex Jones.

Then there's this:

They said that the temperature at that depth, some 400 degrees, will turn the water to steam creating a pressure that will lift the ocean floor. They estimate that this will create a tsunami of between 20 to 80 feet, or even higher, that will bring the poisoned ocean ashore to leave great tracts of land uninhabitable and without life.

American investigative journalist, Wayne Madsen, writes that satellite imagery withheld by the Obama administration shows that 'under the gaping chasm spewing oil at an ever-alarming rate is a cavern estimated to be around the size of Mount Everest'. This information, he says, has been given an almost national security-level classification to keep it from the public.

It's not hot at those depths, it's cold. Really cold. That's why those huge plumes of oil are still underwater, because they're too cold to come all the way to the top.

And yeah, Wayne Madsen. Like that guy is privy to "almost" national security-level classification. And WTF is "almost" national security-level classification.

This is bunk.

No. The depth at the bottom of the hole is how I read it. The water a mile down is that cold, but not 3 more miles down inside the Earth.

That's how you read it, but you read it from Wayne Madsen. It's science fiction.

[82_28]

I didn't read anything from the good Mr. Madsen. I have seen his name many a time and yet I have never sought the motherfucker out to read on my own. It appears Icke refers to him and with that, obviously his vetting chops are what we think they are -- namely, he'll fall for anything. However, it does appear that Icke, from what I saw on that video that I referred to, knows what the fuck he's talking about. And if he does know what the fuck he's talking about at any given time, the article/newsletter I posted is quite foreboding. We know there is a disaster underway as it is. One cannot deny the gravity of this. I really don't give a shit that an Icke references a Madsen. They're both quacks in any given circle that wants to consider them at all. But in all consideration, I thought the Icke piece was terrifying and voiced a lot of what I have been feeling. And if true, if remotely accurate, with or without Icke or Madsen, what he says demands to be considered, if only to comprehend the method in which we will all die.

[Nordic]

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I learned a long time ago that if I got myself worked up about anything Madsen said, it was a waste of emotion, time, and my brain cells.

Yes, it's a godawful disaster and I have a very bad feeling about it getting worse instead of better.

But people were saying that Saddam Hussein's burning oil wells were gonna cause a "nuclear winter" all over the planet, too, and that didn't happen, and that wasn't even Wayne Madsen saying that shit.

[82_28]

But people were saying that Saddam Hussein's burning oil wells were gonna cause a "nuclear winter" all over the planet, too, and that didn't happen, and that wasn't even Wayne Madsen saying that shit.

Perhaps this is what nuclear winter looks like. Slo-mo. Does anybody really know what happens at the center of the Earth? This shit is only 3 miles below the seabed and we can't even figure that out. In all seriousness, and I mean it, there could be something akin to demons dwelling down there. I'm a life long atheist who has become more spiritual over the years, but even I am open to that possibility. Centers of planets are extremely mysterious places. Have you ever tried to grok what goes on 20 or 30 miles below the surface we see of say, Jupiter? You got 300,000 miles to go at that point too. We have no idea.

[smoking since 1879]

I'm just gonna throw this in here, because i've had a beer or two in the sun, and, well, you know how it is

If this is indeed MIHOP or LIHOP (neither of which i seriously consider to be true ... yet), then what is the motive ?

answers on a postcard please...

here is mine:
Create a problem; stop new exploration in the gulf (thus saving all that lovely oil for later), exploit the big recent find in the Med (right off the coast of Palestine (how convenient that they are not in a position to exploit it themselves...) and as a bonus, create a nice dead zone buffer between the upper states and the hell hole that is mexico (as perceived form the top of the castle walls). Are *they* pulling the ladder up after themselves?

color me stupid (and slightly tipsy)

p.s. I love you all

[Nordic]

Yeah, 82, in my excursions in the rocky mtns when I lived in Denver, I noticed that individual mountains had their own spirit, their own personality, their own vibe. Some were peaceful and comforting, others were angry and a bit psychotic, some were quietly ominous. And those were just mtns right out in the open.

I'm terrified of going deep underwater. Once it starts getting dark, count me out. And yeah, way down there? Who knows. Gives me the serious willies just to think about it.

I think maybe I was trapped in a sinking ship in a past life. I'm real bad claustrophobic. And on ships I just can't stand to be anywhere but on top of the damn things out in the open.

[82_28]

Always been terrified of water myself. I've largely gotten over it. As a kid though, I was the biggest pussy, embarrassingly timid, of the "deep end". There was nothing anybody could do to get me to jump in off the diving board when I was like 5 or 6 or so. The entire class would sit there bobbing in the water waiting for me to jump. They even gave me a life jacket to jump in with. I would just panic! Ain't no thing now and I am perfectly fine. Back then though, I was scared shitless. I agree, it could be another life. For instance, big revealing here, I cried uncontrollably after watching TITANIC at the theater way back when. I cried and cried and cried. Yes I did. HOOAH!

There has always been something too mysterious for words about TITANIC in my life. Sometimes I've wondered if a relative of mine didn't go down in it.

[Nordic]

Hey, maybe you and I were on the same ship together. You know, in that past life. Yeah, I could hardly talk coming out of Titanic. It messed me up for a while.

I was the same way about deep water when I was a kid. Had the same experience, standing on the end of the diving board, everyone waiting for me, yelling at me, and I was paralyzed.

Got over it thank god but it took a while.

[Iamwhomiam]

Regardless the author's credibility, he raises, (sorta) what I fear most likely to happen as a consequence of the Deepwater well blowout, and that may prove to be much more damaging than that caused by the great quantities of oil it is releasing into our waters.

They said that the temperature at that depth, some 400 degrees, will turn the water to steam creating a pressure that will lift the ocean floor. They estimate that this will create a tsunami of between 20 to 80 feet, or even higher, that will bring the poisoned ocean ashore to leave great tracts of land uninhabitable and without life.

When the undersea reservoir has become sufficiently depleted of oil and the pressure of the weight of the sea becomes greater than that ejecting the oil, some water indeed will enter the reservoir and will turn to steam, but I do not think that will result in the raising of the sea floor. The sea floor would raise if there was no vent, but the well {and its relief wells) will not allow that pressure build-up.

The enormous pressure within the reservoir will never again come anywhere close to what it was before BP punched a hole in it. I believe that steam from whatever water, if any makes its way down the well, cannot equal that being displaced and that such steam raising the seabed higher and so suddenly that it creates a tsunami of any height is an impossibility.

But here's what I do fear will occur - and let's pray I'm wrong: The pressure pushing the oil up the well and out through fissures in the sea floor, those that are naturally occurring and those created from oil gushing through the blown-out well casing, will not be diminished. I feel the weight of the waters of the Gulf on its sea floor will be what maintains this pressure and that eventually the seabed will collapse.

As this occurs Gulf waters will spontaneously rush in, causing the shoreline to recede, a tell-tale sign that indicates a soon approaching tsunami. Once the "Everest" sized void, (which I feel is actually much greater than this mountain could displace) becomes filled with water and debris from the collapsing sea floor the resulting shockwave will cause an enormous tsunami far more damaging than several simultaneous hurricanes could cause.

Zoom in on the map to see the astounding quantity of on and off-shore oil wells in and around the Gulf, and take note of the areas covered by the shelf.

Map Showing Geology, Oil and Gas Fields, and Geologic Provinces of the Gulf of Mexico Region

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[seemslikeadream]

VIDEO: Allegations of new BP cover-up: Dumping sand to cover oil

[Nordic]

But here's what I do fear will occur - and let's pray I'm wrong: The pressure pushing the oil up the well and out through fissures in the sea floor, those that are naturally occurring and those created from oil gushing through the blown-out well casing, will not be diminished. I feel the weight of the waters of the Gulf on its sea floor will be what maintains this pressure and that eventually the seabed will collapse.

As this occurs Gulf waters will spontaneously rush in, causing the shoreline to recede, a tell-tale sign that indicates a soon approaching tsunami. Once the "Everest" sized void, (which I feel is actually much greater than this mountain could displace) becomes filled with water and debris from the collapsing sea floor the resulting shockwave will cause an enormous tsunami far more damaging than several simultaneous hurricanes could cause.

No, it seems to me that as the pressures inside the well start to be equal to the water pressure bearing down outside the well, the spewing from the well will gradually decrease in velocity and volume until it gradually stops.

There's really no reason to believe otherwise .....

And also, regards to "steam" forming. Even if it is hot down there, which it isn't, water only turns to steam at 212 degrees fahrenheit under normal pressure. Under great pressure, it stays water until it reaches FAR higher temperatures. See "Old Faithful" in Yellowstone for further details. And even if it did reach high enough temperatures to turn into steam that far under the ocean, I don't think the steam would bubble up any faster than we already have the methane bubbling up right now. No explosion, no cataclysm, no epic tsunami.

Of course there are a million other things that COULD go wrong, but I don't think either of those are really a big concern.

I mean, the entire seafloor, and the tube coming up, is destroyed, that much is obvious. So if this thing continues with the pressures that it has, you could have an enormous sinkhole occur, where the seabed breaks apart, basically a sinkhole as potentially big as the oilfield itself. The entire lake of oil is then released into the gulf (which is happening anyway, just as a much slower rate).

This may have already happened.

[Nordic]

Man, this is outrageous:

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/ ... l-records/

Louisiana Governor Seals Oil-Spill Records

By JOHN COLLINS RUDOLF

For more than two months, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana has made it clear that he considers the response of the federal government and BP to the gulf oil leak a failure on many fronts.

But elected officials in Louisiana and members of the public seeking details on how Mr. Jindal and his administration fared in their own response to the disaster are out of luck: late last week the governor vetoed an amendment to a state bill that would have made public all records from his office related to the oil spill.

The measure was proposed by Senator Robert Adley, a Republican, and easily passed the Democrat-controlled Legislature. He told the Associated Press that the veto was a “black eye” on the state. “This governor has opposed transparency for the three years he’s been in office,” he said.

In his veto letter, the governor asserted that opening the records could give BP and other companies involved in the Deepwater Horizon blowout an advantage in future litigation over damages to the state.

“Such access could impair the state’s legal position both in responding to the disaster that is unfolding and in seeking remedies for economic injury and natural resource damage,” Mr. Jindal wrote.

But Zygmunt Plater, a law professor at Boston College who served as chairman of an Alaskan legal task force after the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989, called the governor’s legal rationale flawed, particularly in regard to tallying environmental damage.

“It’s extremely difficult for me to see why natural resource claims would be at all compromised,” he said. “The natural resource damages part of that makes no sense to me.”

Mr. Plater said that the governor’s broader argument, that opening the records could give BP a legal advantage during future litigation, was also illogical. Any documents relevant to such litigation would have to be disclosed during the discovery process, he said.

“In the long-term, anything that’s relevant to a legal action by the state is going to be discoverable. It’s going to be revealed in open court,” he said.

Louisiana has an open records law, but it does not apply to records in the custody of the governor’s office.

[Simulist]

You know, this may sound nuts — but since that's never stopped me before, here I go.

I think the ruling class knows that there is an unparalleled economic catastrophe in our not-too-distant future, and that they have been planning for it for at least two decades. During the past decade of those 20+ years, planning has moved from "paper" to "the field." Now that sufficient legislation is in place to protect the interests of our oligarchs — and to jail any "terrorist" who might threaten those interests — we're watching actual scenarios unfold, intended to gauge and measure the literal limits of what the American people might be willing to put up with.

There's probably a whole department at the Brookings Institution (for just one example) devoted to just this.

Not saying that the Gusher in the Gulf was "planned" or "allowed to happen" necessarily (although I certainly wouldn't rule it out), just that this "field scenario" is being used as test case before the wheels to this terminal civilization totally come off.

"At what point will they riot?"

"What methods work best to make them turn on each other, when they do?"

[Jeff]

Not nuts at all, Simulist. Sad to say.

we're watching actual scenarios unfold, intended to gauge and measure the literal limits of what the American people might be willing to put up with.

It's extraordinary, the lengths to which people will go to normalize the intolerable.