Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Rory » Fri May 13, 2011 2:46 am

Is proper scary. Scary because I have little or no context to frame what's happening (and it appears to happening a lot and also that it's most being ignored by the news media). My instinct was that the Russians (me being prejudiced perhaps) dealt with Chernobyl pretty quickly and the Japanese were surely going to be more professional and have more engineering know how (than a soviet government); therefore that they would be better equipped to deal with what's going down. Apparently not :(

I was a kid (in the UK) during the Chernobyl fire and have vague memories of being told not to drink rainfall (normally of which there is a lot and would have gotten into the drinking water anyway though diluted). I've friends from mainland Europe who stated their governments (french) advised not to even go out when it was raining and some dairy products were stopped at source along with some countries culling livestock (swedes).

I'm in Southern California now and i have not heard a single item of related advice from official sources. As if there is no radiation danger whatsoever, here on the USA West Coast.

As an aside: Dr. Moret seems kind of prone to a kind of hyperbole. (The stuff about SONY being Standard Oil New York?? And her comments that the NWO are doing this deliberately comes across a bit Icke'y).
I'm sure that she knows a lot more about atomic physics than I do but her primary message is destracted from when she makes claims that are so far out of context from the accepted paradigm. Maybe HAARP is being used as she describes but to the average joe/jane on the ground it's the realm of sci fi fantasy.
Makes me think there's a point between what we are hearing (little or nothing) and what she's describing (possible exaggerations). Adds to the uncertainty factor. Deffo not good shit however you look at it.

What ever happened to CND btw? The bomb didn't go away and was never banned. And the CND sigil is now the 'peace' symbol - where my perceptions managed?
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby crikkett » Fri May 13, 2011 11:15 am

Rory wrote:As an aside: Dr. Moret seems kind of prone to a kind of hyperbole. (The stuff about SONY being Standard Oil New York?? And her comments that the NWO are doing this deliberately comes across a bit Icke'y).
I'm sure that she knows a lot more about atomic physics than I do but her primary message is destracted from when she makes claims that are so far out of context from the accepted paradigm. Maybe HAARP is being used as she describes but to the average joe/jane on the ground it's the realm of sci fi fantasy.
Makes me think there's a point between what we are hearing (little or nothing) and what she's describing (possible exaggerations). Adds to the uncertainty factor. Deffo not good shit however you look at it.


Dr. Moret can't fill lecture halls and sell books on physics alone. She can however, cash in serious bucks and get scores upon scores of people to click her links with fantastical claims and conspiracy theories.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 13, 2011 12:34 pm

Plan to flood Fukushima reactor could cause new blast, experts warn

Plant operator Tepco reveals meltdown and breach of pressure vessel, with Greenpeace warning against pumping water in

Justin McCurry in Tokyo
guardian.co.uk, Friday 13 May 2011 12.23 BST

A worker inside the No 1 reactor building at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant
A worker inside the No 1 reactor building at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. Photograph: AP

Experts have warned of a potentially dangerous radiation leak if Japan proceeds with plans to flood a damaged reactor containment vessel at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant. The facility's operator has admitted uranium fuel rods in the No 1 reactor partially melted after being fully exposed because of the 11 March tsunami.

Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco) said water levels had fallen to at least one metre below four-metre-long fuel rods inside the reactor core and melted fuel had slumped to the bottom of the reactor's containment vessel.

The damage is more severe than Tepco had previously reported and is almost certain to frustrate its quest to bring the plant under control within six to nine months. Officials said the leaked fuel was being kept cool and there was no risk of an explosion of the kind that blew the roof off the reactor in March.

The discovery was made after engineers were able to enter the reactor building, where they adjusted water gauges, for the first time since the plant was crippled by the earthquake and tsunami.

Officials said initial findings indicated a large leak in the pressure vessel but temperatures remained well below dangerous levels.

"There must be a large leak," Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at the utility, told reporters. "The fuel pellets likely melted and fell, and in the process may have damaged the pressure vessel itself and created a hole."

Nuclear safety official Takashi Sakurai said: "The situation in the core hasn't changed [since early in the crisis] and the fuel rods are being cooled by water continuously being injected into the core."

Japan's nuclear safety agency said it believed partially melted fuel had fallen to the bottom of the pressure vessel, which holds the reactor core together, and may have leaked into its concrete base, known as the dry well.

Greenpeace has urged Tepco to abandon plans to flood the container with water, given the likelihood that melted fuel has damaged it. Shaun Burnie, nuclear adviser to Greenpeace Germany, said: "Flooding a reactor that has fuel [that has fallen] through the pressure vessel is not a good idea."

Outlining a worst-case scenario, Burnie said very large amounts of cold water hitting the melted fuel could cause an explosion, trigger substantial damage to the reactor and create a "high risk of atmospheric release running for days, if not weeks." He added: "I think [the flooding option] will now be scrapped."

Greenpeace said problems could escalate rapidly if the fuel melted through the reactor vessel. "As the fuel rods were fully exposed and subsequently melted, it is highly likely that the core's integrity is compromised and that there is larger amount of melted fuel at the bottom of the reactor pressure vessel." John Large, an independent nuclear engineering consultant in London, said Tepco's plan to flood the reactor was riddled with "potential risks". It appeared not to have factored in the extent of damage to the fuel rods and the structural state of the containment vessel, including whether it was watertight. "It seems to be poorly thought through," he said, adding that the firm had not demonstrated that the strategy could work.

Matsumoto ruled out a possible explosion but said: "We have to revise the flooding method. We can't deny the possibility that a hole in the pressure vessel caused water to leak."

The use of water to keep the reactors cool has led to the build-up of about 70,000 tons of contaminated water at Fukushima Daiichi. Tepco is pumping the water into a nearby storage building while it sets up a decontamination system.

Cooling water has leaked from the cores of reactors 2 and 3. One other unit at Fukushima Daiichi did not contain fuel rods at the time of the earthquake, while another two have achieved "cold shutdown" – their cooling water is below boiling point.

The permanent or temporary shutdown of reactors at Fukushima Daiichi and other nuclear plants could leave only a third of Japan's 54 reactors in operation by the end of the month, NHK has reported.

The public broadcaster said the disaster had prompted the suspension of 14 reactors, while 19 others were offline for inspections. Two reactors at Hamaoka nuclear plant in central Japan are to be shut while a tsunami wall is built.

The prime minister, Naoto Kan, has ordered the temporary closure of Hamaoka, which sits on an active fault line, amid warnings that it could be crippled by another huge earthquake expected to hit the region in the next 30 years.

In all 35 reactors – or about two-thirds of Japan's total – will have been shut down by the end of May. Officials are hoping to achieve a 15% cut in energy use during the summer to avoid rolling blackouts.

The government has decided to use taxpayers' money to help Tepco compensate tens of thousands of people affected by the Fukushima accident. Total damages are expected to run into trillions of yen, equating to tens of billions of pounds.

Reports said the government would issue special-purpose bonds worth 5tn yen (£37bn), with other utilities asked to pay into a newly established fund. Tepco would be required to contribute annual premiums and allow monitoring of its management by a government-appointed commission.

Analysts said the scheme would ensure Tepco's status as a listed firm and prevent market instability, although there are fears that the costs will be passed on to consumers in the form of higher electricity bills.

"This scheme will help alleviate concerns of financial market turmoil because holders of Tokyo Electric shares and bonds will be protected," Yasuhide Yajima, a senior economist at the NLI Research Institute, told Reuters.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Fri May 13, 2011 12:35 pm

http://cryptogon.com/?p=22320

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-201 ... 05098.html

Giant polyester covers will soon be placed around the damaged reactor buildings at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex to help contain the release of radioactive substances into the atmosphere, the plant operator said Friday.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. will install the first cover at the No. 1 reactor, the focus of recent stabilization efforts.

Workers will erect a steel framework and place a giant polyester tent-like cover around the reactor building. The cover will be 55 meters high, 47 meters long and 42 meters wide.

The operation to fit the cover will begin next month. Similar covers will be placed around units Nos. 3 and 4. The work is expected to be completed by the end of the year.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby crikkett » Fri May 13, 2011 1:45 pm

eyeno wrote:This one gives me a pit in my stomach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haMePBnk ... ded#at=358


Fucking the forecasts are blocked now. This is not good.

I can only say that I'm grateful that our rainy season's almost over, which I think means that the radioactive elements wont precipitate onto my garden (so readily).
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 82_28 » Fri May 13, 2011 4:19 pm

Rory wrote:Is proper scary. Scary because I have little or no context to frame what's happening (and it appears to happening a lot and also that it's most being ignored by the news media). My instinct was that the Russians (me being prejudiced perhaps) dealt with Chernobyl pretty quickly and the Japanese were surely going to be more professional and have more engineering know how (than a soviet government); therefore that they would be better equipped to deal with what's going down. Apparently not :(

I was a kid (in the UK) during the Chernobyl fire and have vague memories of being told not to drink rainfall (normally of which there is a lot and would have gotten into the drinking water anyway though diluted). I've friends from mainland Europe who stated their governments (french) advised not to even go out when it was raining and some dairy products were stopped at source along with some countries culling livestock (swedes).

I'm in Southern California now and i have not heard a single item of related advice from official sources. As if there is no radiation danger whatsoever, here on the USA West Coast.

As an aside: Dr. Moret seems kind of prone to a kind of hyperbole. (The stuff about SONY being Standard Oil New York?? And her comments that the NWO are doing this deliberately comes across a bit Icke'y).
I'm sure that she knows a lot more about atomic physics than I do but her primary message is destracted from when she makes claims that are so far out of context from the accepted paradigm. Maybe HAARP is being used as she describes but to the average joe/jane on the ground it's the realm of sci fi fantasy.
Makes me think there's a point between what we are hearing (little or nothing) and what she's describing (possible exaggerations). Adds to the uncertainty factor. Deffo not good shit however you look at it.

What ever happened to CND btw? The bomb didn't go away and was never banned. And the CND sigil is now the 'peace' symbol - where my perceptions managed?


Hmm. Deffo, don't know either. But this is my first hit for "Standard Oil" "Sony" for a website I help run. We can drill down on the other companies and the various figures and investors on this. Just a starting point!

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Fri May 13, 2011 4:25 pm

TEPCO: New Holes In Fukushima Nuclear Reactor 1 and 3 Discovered, Radiation Leaking Into Ocean

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/0 ... ean-22704/
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Fri May 13, 2011 4:41 pm

Don't worry, the big circus tent will stop it all!
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 82_28 » Fri May 13, 2011 4:44 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony#Origin_of_name

Origin of name

When Tokyo Tsushin Kogyo was looking for a romanized name to use to
market themselves, they strongly considered using their initials, TTK.
The primary reason they did not is that the railway company Tokyo
Kyuko was known as TKK.[9] The company occasionally used the acronym
"Totsuko" in Japan, but during his visit to the United States, Morita
discovered that Americans had trouble pronouncing that name. Another
early name that was tried out for a while was "Tokyo Teletech" until
Morita discovered that there was an American company already using
Teletech as a brand name.[13]

The name "Sony" was chosen for the brand as a mix of two words. One
was the Latin word "Sonus", which is the root of sonic and sound, and
the other was "Sonny", a familiar term used in 1950s America to call a
boy.[6] The first Sony-branded product, the TR-55 transistor radio,
appeared in 1955 but the company name did not change to Sony until
January 1958.[14]

At the time of the change, it was extremely unusual for a Japanese
company to use Roman letters to spell its name instead of writing it
in kanji
. The move was not without opposition: TTK's principal bank at
the time, Mitsui, had strong feelings about the name. They pushed for
a name such as Sony Electronic Industries, or Sony Teletech. Akio
Morita was firm, however, as he did not want the company name tied to
any particular industry. Eventually, both Ibuka and Mitsui Bank's
chairman gave their approval.[9]

Just throwin' it out there.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Fri May 13, 2011 4:48 pm

DHS Claims Al-Qaeda May Replicate Fukushima Disaster
Posted on May 13, 2011 by Mountain Republic
by Kurt Nimmo

Instead of lessening terrorism, the supposed assassination of Osama bin Laden may result in a deliberate Fukushima-style nuclear disaster, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

On May 5, a Department of Homeland Security official at the Pacific Regional Information Clearinghouse in Hawaii presented a report entitled “Recreating Fukushima: A Possible Response to the Killing of Usama Bin Laden – The Nuclear Option.” It stated that “the death of [O]sama Bin Laden may serve as an impetus to apply lessons learned from Fukushima to attack the United States or another Western country.”

This would be accomplished, the report explains, by reproducing the failure of the electric supply that pumped cooling water to the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant in Japan. The official use only report says “the earthquake and tsunami in Japan were ‘acts of nature,’ but a catastrophic nuclear reactor meltdown could potentially be engineered by Al Qaeda” by replicating the cascading loss of electric power.

“A successful attack resulting in a reactor meltdown could potentially cause hundreds of thousands of deaths from cancer, at a minimum,” warn Anthony Kimery and W. Scott Malone, writing for Homeland Security Today, a website covering homeland security affairs. “The ensuing panic would probably be the most immediate danger.”

Despite the fact attacks attributed to al-Qaeda since September 11, 2001, were at best amateurish, senior counterterrorism officials insist “we still must remain cognizant of the fact that Al Qaeda is capable of sophisticated attacks” and the shadowy terror group “is now under increased pressure to avenge their leader’s murder at the hands of infidels with something spectacular.”

“I consider Al Qaeda, now being pushed by Anwar Al Awlaki [the leader of Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, AQAP, and a possible heir to Bin Laden], in the position to begin planning for a new ’9/11 style’ attack using a weapon of mass destruction … not to say they will not continue their recruiting of ‘lone wolf’ types — I do believe the long term goal of Al Qaeda 2.0 to be a spectacular attack to the US infrastructure that would cause significant and permanent damage to a significant portion of the continental US,” Homeland Security Today was told by former Army Special Forces Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer.

Osama’s assumed successor dined at the Pentagon shortly after the September 11, 2001, attacks, according to documents obtained by Fox News.

“Awlaki was vetted before he was invited to attend a luncheon at the Pentagon in the secretary of the Army’s Office of Government Counsel. His appearance at the meeting was deliberately engineered despite Awlaki’s ties to three of the alleged 9/11 hijackers — Nawaf al-Hazmi, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Hani Hanjour — who were identified as the suicide pilots that slammed Flight 77 into the Pentagon,” Paul Joseph Watson wrote on October 21, 2010.

“While the Al Qaeda organization may, or may not, possess either a nuclear device or radiological material,” the DHS report continues, ”the pressure on the organization to fulfill that threat is now enormous. If Al Qaeda does possess such a weapon, the danger is obvious. If, however, there is no such device or material in Al Qaeda’s control, then it is likely that Al Qaeda and [Bin Laden’s] supporters may attempt an attack comparable in scale that will at least be perceived as a ‘nuclear’ response to Bin Laden’s death.”

Serious experts agree that al-Qaeda’s supposed quest for nuclear weapons is mostly a Hollywood construct.

In 2002, former UN weapons inspector David Albright examined evidence about al-Qaeda’s much hyped nuclear weapons research program and concluded that it was virtually impossible for the group to have acquired any type of nuclear weapon. U.S. government analysts reached the same conclusion in 2002, writes Peter Bergen of the Combating Terrorism Center.

The DHS report arrived around the same time the government announced it had unearthed a plot against U.S. transportation following the alleged raid on Osama bin Laden’s “mansion” in Pakistan.

Computers and DVDs snatched during the raid supposedly contain information about “an operation against trains at an unspecified location in the United States,” set for September 11, 2011. “An advisory suggested that al-Qaida may have planned to tip a train by tampering with the rails so that the train would go off the track at either a valley or on a bridge,” MSNBC reported on May 6.

New York senator Chuck Schumer used the unverified al-Qaeda attack plan to call for a “no ride” list for trains in the United States similar to the “no-fly”list used in airports.

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Nordic » Fri May 13, 2011 4:56 pm

Nah, that would only happen if they showed the photos of his corpse.

Just killing him, unarmed, in his home? That doesn't piss them off THAT much.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Fri May 13, 2011 4:56 pm

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Rory » Fri May 13, 2011 7:18 pm

Cheers 82_28. It would not surprise me in the least that they (SONY) were owned and paid for through a parent corporation though the Standard Oil thing from the good Dr. rings a little bit shrill.
An interesting point regarding the latin word 'sonus' also. Does seem odd though not implausible.

eyeno wrote:DHS Claims Al-Qaeda May Replicate Fukushima Disaster

“A successful attack resulting in a reactor meltdown could potentially cause hundreds of thousands of deaths from cancer, at a minimum,” warn Anthony Kimery and W. Scott Malone, writing for Homeland Security Today, a website covering homeland security affairs.

http://mountainrepublic.net/2011/05/13/ ... -disaster/


There we have it. An admission that the radiation from a similar leak/meltdown could cause 100k + deaths. So why is this death toll being discussed as a 'scary thing that might happen' as opposed to 'scary thing that has happened'?
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby 82_28 » Fri May 13, 2011 8:16 pm

Rory wrote:Cheers 82_28. It would not surprise me in the least that they (SONY) were owned and paid for through a parent corporation though the Standard Oil thing from the good Dr. rings a little bit shrill.
An interesting point regarding the latin word 'sonus' also. Does seem odd though not implausible.

eyeno wrote:DHS Claims Al-Qaeda May Replicate Fukushima Disaster

“A successful attack resulting in a reactor meltdown could potentially cause hundreds of thousands of deaths from cancer, at a minimum,” warn Anthony Kimery and W. Scott Malone, writing for Homeland Security Today, a website covering homeland security affairs.

http://mountainrepublic.net/2011/05/13/ ... -disaster/


There we have it. An admission that the radiation from a similar leak/meltdown could cause 100k + deaths. So why is this death toll being discussed as a 'scary thing that might happen' as opposed to 'scary thing that has happened'?


I think the ever more and more sketchy establishment snopes, who's article on this makes this line of speculation even more suspect adds some interest. But of course they don't let you copy and paste from there as that browser functionality is blocked.

http://www.snopes.com/business/names/sony.asp
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