Connecticut Elementary School Massacre

[Canadian_watcher]

adam lanza went amok and killed a lot of people including himself. just like a few people have very occasionally done since forever. OR EVERYONE IS LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING, it's all a charade! that is clinically delusional and only a fool would think so. sorry. sick to fucking death of these bullshit sandy hoax nut jobs. it's a sad sad pathetic shame we have to put up with such nonsense. absolutely complete credibility destroying nonsense bullshit psyop shitstorm. congratulations sandy hoaxers for finding a new low point in human civilization.

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is that a self portrait?

adam lanza went amok and killed a lot of people including himself.

and you 'know' this because they said so. Not because you saw it, not because you were there, not because you knew the kid. But because they said so. And you're willing to get angry about it all because they said so.

[FourthBase]

thank you for reminding us all that in truth we can know NOTHING about ANYTHING

That's not what I was saying. In cases of the 'news' though it's really just a giant game of telephone mixed in with political and personal agendas so we shouldn't get too cocky in our pronouncements about so called 'facts' of past cases, etc. let alone use those to try and debunk current questions about current cases.

yes, but... then how would you ever progress from 'questions' to decisions? Yes the news is often wrong, it's shitty, I would much prefer we crowd funded a multi billion dollar operation to but fact finders on the ground everywhere and run something like factopedia, but it's not happening yet. Even then there are going to be various persons pushing alternative truths and some things just can never be known with absolute certainty.

how does maintaining an isolating paranoid world view that doesn't accept consensus on anything ever going to lead to courses of action that improve anything?

Quoting and bolding so that this point isn't lost amid any petty personal animosity.

[conniption]

Education Forum

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:18 AM

Don Jeffries wrote:

The official narrative for what happened in Sandy Hook is impossible (that is, if you can even figure out exactly what the official narrative is, as it has never been consistent). The snopes "debunking" piece Len notes is the internet equivalent of the Popular Mechanics "debunking" of 9/11 "truthers." Snopes exists to "debunk" independent reporting from those unconnected to the msm.

The live helicopter footage that day is available in numerous videos online, and it reveals no one coming out of the school, and no one going in, either. All you see are pockets of police and fire fighters, standing in small groups, looking anything but concerned. The lack of activity is astonishing. No video anywhere of an evacuation of the students, and since there were supposedly some 600 students at Sandy Hook (I've seen various numbers reported, but this seems to be the most common figure), there would have had to have been at least that many parents coming to pick them up. Thus, the helicopter footage should have revealed a real madhouse- more than 1000 people milling about and the mass evacuation of students should have been caught on tape by someone.

One can also see that there are ZERO ambulances or rescue squads at the school. Once this kind of horrific mass shooting was reported, a slew of emergency medical vehicles should have been racing to the scene, to try and render assistance to the victims. Yet we are supposed to believe that not a single EMT person entered the building, to try and save anyone? There were initially two adults reported as injured, one of them shot in the foot. We have heard nothing more about these injured persons, and they have not been interviewed. One would think that kind of interview would have real dramatic impact, but evidently no one in the msm has been interested. If what we've been told is true, the bodies of these little children and adults were not removed from the school until about 10 p.m. that night. Does that sound like standard operating procedure?

As critics have noted, we've seen no footage of the crime scene whatsoever. Why no photo of the shot out glass at the entrance to the school, for instance? Instead, we have been shown the same ridiculous photo of about 20 kids being marched, with their eyes closed for some unknown reason, across a parking lot. It has been suggested (don't know if proof on this is clear) that this photo was actually taken during a drill a few months earlier. At any rate, why is that the only photo we're ever shown? Are we seriously going to believe that none of the photographers on the scene thought to snap other photos of students emerging from the building, or of tearful reunions with their relieved parents?

Instead, we have to be satisfied with a slew of interviews with one Gene Rosen, who is so bizarre and unconvincing that he single handedly creates doubt about this incident in a lot of minds. Again, I won't comment specifically on the parents that have been interviewed, but they do all share in common a startling lack of emotion about the sudden and violent loss of their children. And we must heed the warnings of Police Lt. Vance, who early on indicated that those who post "information" about this event online would be prosecuted. Exactly what crime would someone commenting on this widely publicized event be prosecuted for? Is it now a crime to dispute what government agencies say?

This event, like others of significance, goes well beyond the phony left-right paradigm. Thus, right-winger Glenn Beck attacks the Sandy Hook "truthers," along with his leftist co-hort, ex-CIA intern Anderson Cooper, who absolutely raged out on air against a college professor who questioned the official story, and in fact pretty much demanded he be fired. Good old Anderson- always ready to skewer the rich and powerful.

The attacks by Beck, Anderson, snopes and the like are all part of the Cass Sunstein campaign to make "conspiracy theories" illegal. Anyone who raises questions about the inconsistencies in this story is instantly labeled a "conspiracy theorist." The reason so many individuals are putting out these videos on the internet, focusing on the flaws in the official narrative with varying degrees of success, is because the mainstream "journalists," as always, just swallow every "official" pronoucement without question, and fawn over the likes of Gene Rosen. An average preschooler could do a better job of critical reporting than these msm "journalists" do.

The most basic questions about this event have not been answered sufficiently. What weapons were used? How did Adam have his brother's identification, when he hadn't seen him in two years? Why was a body-initially said to be that of Adam's father-reportedly discovered in Ryan Lanza's home in New Jersey? If it wasn't his father's body, what body did they find there? Who owned the car Adam drove to school that day? Was it Adam's mother, or a career petty thief that was seemingly unconnected to the Lanzas? How did Adam get into the school? First, a witness told reporters she saw the principal buzz Adam in, and that she did so because she recognized him (remember, this was early on, when all reports indicated his mother was a teacher there). Then, we were told Adam blasted his way in. Finally, police claimed they shot the glass out to open the entrance door. So which of the three versions are we to believe?

There are so many more questions here. If we truly had a free press, and real investigative reporters, there would be a huge story here. Instead, all we get from our establishment press are hit pieces on those "conspiracy theorists" who dare to point out that, once again, the emperor is wearing no clothes.

[justdrew]

adam lanza went amok and killed a lot of people including himself.

and you 'know' this because they said so. Not because you saw it, not because you were there, not because you knew the kid. But because they said so. And you're willing to get angry about it all because they said so.

yep. "they" being the HUNDREDS if not thousands OF my fellow human beings who bore witness to the horror.

[lupercal]

^ where are they and why haven't they spoken up? I've read about a few child witnesses giving highly inconclusive eye-witness testimony, period. There were also reports of gag orders issued by town officials on parents of survivors. If true, why would such orders be necessary when the established facts are a) contradictory, b) scarce, and c) unconvincing?

The problem is that said facts don't support the conclusions we're being sternly ordered to accept. Why should we? I didn't vote for anyone involved in the investigation, and I find the political repercussions offensive. The narrative isn't plausible, fits a conspicuous pattern of intel operations and has no credible defenders. And no, I don't consider Wolf, Anderson, Rachel or any of the army of anonymous internet identities spouting one preposterous whopper after another credible.

[justdrew]

Education Forum

Posted 25 January 2013 - 07:18 AM

Don Jeffries wrote:

The official narrative for what happened in Sandy Hook is impossible (that is, if you can even figure out exactly what the official narrative is, as it has never been consistent). The snopes "debunking" piece Len notes is the internet equivalent of the Popular Mechanics "debunking" of 9/11 "truthers." Snopes exists to "debunk" independent reporting from those unconnected to the msm. it is not anywhere in any responders job to provide a perfect historical fully documented timeline of events like this. it will take time for all data to be drawn together.

The live helicopter footage that day is available in numerous videos online, and it reveals no one coming out of the school, and no one going in, either. All you see are pockets of police and fire fighters, standing in small groups, looking anything but concerned.
the TV stations have leaked or uploaded to youtube RAW video feeds from the choppercams? I seriously absolutely doubt it. All that is available would be edited for air quality. They would very likely have chosen and/or been asked not to video parts of the event out of sensitivity to victims and friends/family.

The lack of activity is astonishing. No video anywhere of an evacuation of the students, and since there were supposedly some 600 students at Sandy Hook (I've seen various numbers reported, but this seems to be the most common figure), there would have had to have been at least that many parents coming to pick them up. Thus, the helicopter footage should have revealed a real madhouse- more than 1000 people milling about and the mass evacuation of students should have been caught on tape by someone.

the parking lot was not where people were. there was a huge crowd at the nearby fire station I think it is.

One can also see that there are ZERO ambulances or rescue squads at the school. Once this kind of horrific mass shooting was reported, a slew of emergency medical vehicles should have been racing to the scene, to try and render assistance to the victims. Yet we are supposed to believe that not a single EMT person entered the building, to try and save anyone?

who's asking you to believe this? you dont fucking know what EMT crews may or may not have done. you just dont fucking know.

There were initially two adults reported as injured, one of them shot in the foot. We have heard nothing more about these injured persons, and they have not been interviewed.

maybe they dont WANT to be interviewed? maybe they don't appreciate hoaxtards crawling up their assholes looking for microchips.

One would think that kind of interview would have real dramatic impact, but evidently no one in the msm has been interested. If what we've been told is true, the bodies of these little children and adults were not removed from the school until about 10 p.m. that night. Does that sound like standard operating procedure?

where's your night time video? "Does that sound like standard operating procedure?" bullshit loaded question designed to lead the reader to the author's forgone conclusion. stop being manipulated by "conspiracy" writing techniques. read enough and you'll notice the little rhetorical tricks so beloved of the professional agitprop writer. Who's JOB is to make YOU isolated paranoid and frightened.

As critics have noted, we've seen no footage of the crime scene whatsoever.

it's not common for us to see such pictures. only one bloddy pic has even leaked from columbine as far as I know. Who the fuck wants to see that? Because cops are all evil liers right? but itf they take pictures then we'll believe? what pathetic epistemology.

Why no photo of the shot out glass at the entrance to the school, for instance? Instead, we have been shown the same ridiculous photo of about 20 kids being marched, with their eyes closed for some unknown reason, across a parking lot. It has been suggested (don't know if proof on this is clear) that this photo was actually taken during a drill a few months earlier.

emmm, SMELLS LIKE BULLSHIT.

At any rate, why is that the only photo we're ever shown? Are we seriously going to believe that none of the photographers on the scene thought to snap other photos of students emerging from the building, or of tearful reunions with their relieved parents?

what photographers were on the scene? when did they arrive? You realize great effort is being taken to try to minimize followup emotional pain for those involved? Trying to minimize PTSD etc is best practice. It's been talked about for a long time how to handle events like this, and whatever's being done may not be perfect, but the cops are trying and most media is trying to cooperate.

Instead, we have to be satisfied with a slew of interviews with one Gene Rosen, who is so bizarre and unconvincing that he single handedly creates doubt about this incident in a lot of minds.

what bullshit. There's nothing whatsoever wrong with Gene Rosen and fools saying otherwise are just seeing what they WANT TO SEE.

Again, I won't comment specifically on the parents that have been interviewed,

oh gee, thanks

but they do all share in common a startling lack of emotion about the sudden and violent loss of their children.

disgusting

And we must heed the warnings of Police Lt. Vance, who early on indicated that those who post "information" about this event online would be prosecuted.

insane clowns trying to provoke nut cases into taking up arms against our country probably should be prosecuted. treason is a crime. but obviously, bases on the lack of prosecutions, that statement was aimed against nasty lulz pranks that we would likely have seen otherwise.

Exactly what crime would someone commenting on this widely publicized event be prosecuted for? Is it now a crime to dispute what government agencies say?

nope. but advocating armed rebellion is and AT SOME POINT these people may well need to be dealt with. We're not going to improve anything by destroying this society. and I WILL NOT live in a country run by redneck warlords and their gun collections and thug militias. fuck them.

This event, like others of significance, goes well beyond the phony left-right paradigm. Thus, right-winger Glenn Beck attacks the Sandy Hook "truthers," along with his leftist co-hort, ex-CIA intern Anderson Cooper, who absolutely raged out on air against a college professor who questioned the official story, and in fact pretty much demanded he be fired. Good old Anderson- always ready to skewer the rich and powerful.

whatever. even a stopped clock, yada yada

The attacks by Beck, Anderson, snopes and the like are all part of the Cass Sunstein campaign to make "conspiracy theories" illegal.

There's a Difference between "conspiracy theories" and sedition.

Anyone who raises questions about the inconsistencies in this story is instantly labeled a "conspiracy theorist."

not by me. either gullible to psyops or a right wing traitor is what I would call them.

The reason so many individuals are putting out these videos on the internet, focusing on the flaws in the official narrative with varying degrees of success, is because the mainstream "journalists," as always, just swallow every "official" pronoucement without question, and fawn over the likes of Gene Rosen. An average preschooler could do a better job of critical reporting than these msm "journalists" do.

again with the gene rosen hate. Why these nuts hate this man so much is beyond me. maybe because it's a jewish name? Lots of problems with what passes for journalism, no doubt about it, but once again, any psyop always has to contain some partially true info in the mix.

The most basic questions about this event have not been answered sufficiently.

the official report is still being worked on. Absolutely it will not be sufficient for these false truth seekers. count on it.

What weapons were used?

this has been reported on definitively. disregard early false reports and there's no question about it.

How did Adam have his brother's identification, when he hadn't seen him in two years?

probably has an old expired drivers license. better than nothing, he no doubt didn't have on of his own and probably liked the idea of fucking with his brother. not too fucking mysterious really.

Why was a body-initially said to be that of Adam's father-reportedly discovered in Ryan Lanza's home in New Jersey?

probably some reporter got confused with a dead parent and/or just made shit up to drive page views.

If it wasn't his father's body, what body did they find there?

no body at all

Who owned the car Adam drove to school that day? Was it Adam's mother,

YES a thousand times yes.

or a career petty thief that was seemingly unconnected to the Lanzas? How did Adam get into the school? First, a witness told reporters she saw the principal buzz Adam in, and that she did so because she recognized him (remember, this was early on, when all reports indicated his mother was a teacher there). Then, we were told Adam blasted his way in. Finally, police claimed they shot the glass out to open the entrance door. So which of the three versions are we to believe?

I don't care, I'll see what the official report says when it comes out. I think the truth is Lanza broke in, that is what's on the wiki other reports dont make sense and sound like fog-of-war induced miscommunications/misstatements.

There are so many more questions here. If we truly had a free press, and real investigative reporters, there would be a huge story here.

we do have a huge story. it's being investigated.

Instead, all we get from our establishment press are hit pieces on those "conspiracy theorists" who dare to point out that, once again, the emperor is wearing no clothes.

maybe the boiling frog is also nude.

[barracuda]

Yeah, that Don Jefffries piece hasn't gained any credence since the last time conniption posted it. I dunno, conniption, maybe you ought to try it again a few times and see if it sinks in.

[barracuda]

They are, in fact, 'reports from the media' since none of us knows their origin or veracity and each of us heard the evidence via.. you guessed it .. the media.

Well, several of those motives are drawn from the suicide notes of the shooters, but, yes, of course, they could be forgeries.



But however you wanna play the solipsism game, it still doesn't lend credibility to the "plausible" deep state motivations expounded upon upstream by lupercal, as its applicability is ostensibly universal. In fact, it accomplishes just the opposite, because those motivations (politically damaging resignations, Hurricane Sandy political repercussions, Benghazi, small arms sales, etc.) are known to most of us almost exclusively through their media presence.

Luckily, that approach fits in neatly with your earlier thoughts on the matter.

I don't know what happened at the school and I'll never, ever look into it.

[justdrew]

oh it's an article of absolute faith now with the right conspiratards that the gubamint is just trafficking small arms into Mexico too. total bullshit. total ignorance of facts, just spewing whatever crap they want that's been handed to them by the professional LIERS who run the right wing conspiracy world. Owned by the very people they CLAIM to be fighting against. it'd be hilarious if it weren't so god damned sad.

[lupercal]

^ The guntard conspiracies are part of the operation, just like the militia movement and Whitewater conspiracies that hamstrung Clinton for two terms but especially his second. Who profits when Obama is forced to drop everything and come up with totally divisive gun regulations, apart from the gun and ammo sellers who are making out like Midas? Obama's political enemies, that's who.

[DrEvil]

So it was the republican party?
And here I was thinking it was a nefarious plot to demonize autism so they could push more meds on our kids.

[barracuda]

That's weird, because I had thought gun regulation was actually an issue we could sort of count on Democrats to embrace. Didn't a Democrat sign the last meaningful restrictions on assault weapons into law? Why yes, one did. Didn't a Democrat sign the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act? Why yes, one did.

If gun control is an issue Obama can't approach without personal or political suffering, too fucking bad for him. It's his fucking job.

[conniption]

Yeah, that Don Jefffries piece hasn't gained any credence since the last time conniption posted it. I dunno, conniption, maybe you ought to try it again a few times and see if it sinks in.

I dunno, barracuda, maybe I will try it again, and you can copy and paste Len Colby's reply to Mr. Jeffries. It can save you some time.



Says he's from Brazil. Nice enough looking fellow.

[conniption]

justdrew wrote:

Instead, all we get from our establishment press are hit pieces on those "conspiracy theorists" who dare to point out that, once again, the emperor is wearing no clothes.

maybe the boiling frog is also nude.

Maybe the boiling frog never claimed to have any clothes on.

[DrEvil]

Says he's from Brazil. Nice enough looking fellow.

Yeah, he's obviously in on it too. Just look at him!

Sorry, couldn't help myself, but what the holy hell does this guy's photo or where he's from have to do with anything?
Oh, that's right - nothing, unless you think that Brazil was in on it too?

The only reason I can think of for you to post that picture is that you thought he looks like a shady character, and by extension, what he says can't be taken seriously.
Please correct me if you had a good reason that I somehow missed.