'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby The Consul » Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:44 am

It will be reported on the weather segment of the news channels.
"Today's tarball warning has been reduced to moderate."
Just bring Goo-Off to the beach like sunblock for the decaying atmosphere.
Back to the news, John Boehner says "Don't worry -There's oil in them beaches. We will be able to dredge them for a handsome profit in 8-12 years!"

As far as the limits of the American People go....we passed that on March 19, 2003. We became a no bullshit hands-on coroporate fascist state. No Hitler needed. Just the right distracting face, the right distracting act.

We live in a time when lone guys with handicams are our only hope. It's like the Ocean is Rodney King.
Mothers letting their kids play in it. My god. Our brains have been utterly washed.
Maybe when South Beach looks like the Aral Sea people will have had enough. But will we do anything differently besides move inland and read about it on the internets?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:04 am

Simulist wrote:You know, this may sound nuts — but since that's never stopped me before, here I go.

I think the ruling class knows that there is an unparalleled economic catastrophe in our not-too-distant future, and that they have been planning for it for at least two decades. During the past decade of those 20+ years, planning has moved from "paper" to "the field." Now that sufficient legislation is in place to protect the interests of our oligarchs — and to jail any "terrorist" who might threaten those interests — we're watching actual scenarios unfold, intended to gauge and measure the literal limits of what the American people might be willing to put up with.

There's probably a whole department at the Brookings Institution (for just one example) devoted to just this.

Not saying that the Gusher in the Gulf was "planned" or "allowed to happen" necessarily (although I certainly wouldn't rule it out), just that this "field scenario" is being used as test case before the wheels to this terminal civilization totally come off.

"At what point will they riot?"

"What methods work best to make them turn on each other, when they do?"


Oh yeah, that's exactly where my thinking is too. That's why, even though I normally poo-poo Wayne Madsen and David Icke and the like, I'm entertaining the distinct possibility that they could be closer to the truth this time, at least in certain areas. So, essentially, no theory is off the table for me at this point.

I think the Matt Simmons stuff is interesting because of who he is and what his background is/was (not a conspiracy theorist by any stretch), and the fact that he's being completely ignored by the mainstream now. Dylan Ratigan did have him on about a month ago, but I don't think his more recent proclamations have been forthcoming on any mainstream outlet (someone please correct me if I missed it). Isn't that rather telling about not only the size of the spill, but also the size of the cover-up? At least CNN (Anderson Cooper) and a few others (PBS Newshour) are reporting how the media is being kept away. But, Simmons takes it all to a much more extreme level -- one that is hard not to believe, given the extent of the proven lies. And besides, when did we ever get the bigger, deeper truths from the likes of CNN or PBS? I guess I'm talking myself into believing the worst-case scenarios are very possible (methane "volcano", need for gas masks, evacuation nightmares, mass casualties, etc.).

And, yes, the economic nightmare is just about ready to hit (within a year at most, in my estimation). The timing of this really raises red flags for me. Just my rigorous intuition at this point.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Nordic » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:05 am

Seems like it's getting a lot worse. Is it me, or does it look way more intense here:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/07/ ... -ever.html
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:48 am

Nordic wrote:Seems like it's getting a lot worse. Is it me, or does it look way more intense here:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/07/ ... -ever.html


Fortunately I run Linux and washington's blog's video embedding don't work for me, so unfortunately I can't see that shit. Don't know why. Anyhoo, what's the deal with ratios? Does anybody know? So we have a gusher in the GoM. Is there an estimate as to the number of gallons of water in gulf? Look, I see this shit as a cataclysm as most do. But, is there some kind of rubric in which to envision this shit other than the narrow pictures we see on the news and web etc? How widespread are we talking? I assume widespread, very widespread and again, cataclysmic. But what if it isn't true? Could this be an environmental, economic double bind? If you live near an ocean go out and look at it. It is impossibly huge compared to a human's ability to comprehend it even before we slightly grasp it -- it is also invisibly deep. Though, it is truly obvious that vast areas are now FUBAR and if not, become so very soon. I only wonder if this isn't all a scam in the first and last place.

I have nothing to base this thinking of mine on either.

Something is coming out of the Earth that we use, that our very lives depend on insofar as having a mango for lunch in Bismarck and yet it is also going to kill us all. Tell me that isn't a set-up double bind if there ever was one. Icke's bullshit still stands as far as I am concerned -- giving it as I have a day to think about it.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby nathan28 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:46 am

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Fri Jul 02, 2010 2:05 pm

Gulf Coast Nuclear Plants at Risk From BP Oil Spill
http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-stor ... -oil-spill
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby winsomecowboy2 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 12:08 am

It's extraordinary, the lengths to which people will go to normalize the intolerable


Hah! Welcome to my world. Top tiny percentage owning all the loot, larger picture the chosen system requiring the vampiric lifeblood of the planet just to survive with the drones consuming and playing silly money games that allow them to live like some roman nobleman [with flush toilets] in a macmansion with a hidden commercial surburban storage space to house the impulse buys away from view.

This is normal.

Never bought it.

Improvisation is seemingly the only skill not taught in a culture led by it's nose from purchase to purchase.

Water, food, community, if you have nothing to offer you're useless and the world is better off without you. You think your assets speak for you?
What then when they are simply taken from you?
Where this is going is where I have always been.
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Water food and community will no longer be available in the new toxic zones, start improvising.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby ninakat » Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:29 am

Miami, Florida Keys Face Up to 80% Chance of BP Oil, U.S. Says
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-0 ... -says.html
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:12 am

Newsom, wife invested in BP's gulf oil rig

July 3, 2010

It turns out that San Francisco's eco-conscious Mayor Gavin Newsom and his wife, Jennifer Siebel Newsom, own a piece of the deepwater rig at the center of the gulf oil disaster.

According to the mayor's most recently filed economic disclosure statement, last year the couple invested between $10,000 and $100,000 in Transocean Inc. - the company whose ruptured deepwater rig, which is leased to BP, is spewing millions of gallons of oil, endangering wildlife and beaches all along the Gulf Coast.

Just last month, Newsom told the San Diego area East County Magazine that "the environmental catastrophe devastating the Gulf of Mexico is a tragic reminder of why we must take a stand against the oil companies and oppose all offshore drilling off California's precious coast."

http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-06-30/bay-area/21931450_1_rig-big-oil-oil-spill
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jul 03, 2010 8:57 am

BP Texas Refinery Had Huge Toxic Release Just Before Gulf Blowout

The BP refinery in Texas City, one of the largest in the country, is nearly two square miles and is one of the largest in the country. (Lance Rosenfeld)

by Ryan Knutson
ProPublica, Yesterday, 10:30 p.m.

This story is part of an ongoing collaboration between ProPublica and FRONTLINE (PBS).

TEXAS CITY, TEXAS -- Two weeks before the blowout in the Gulf of Mexico, the huge, trouble-plagued BP refinery in this coastal town spewed tens of thousands of pounds of toxic chemicals into the skies.

If you work for BP or a contractor on a rig in the Gulf, or anywhere else, we'd like to hear from you. Tell us about your work conditions, your management, and your observations of what is happening. We will not publish your identity. Call 917-512-0254, fax documents to 212-514-5250 or e-mail Abrahm Lustgarten.
The release from the BP facility here began April 6 and lasted 40 days. It stemmed from the company's decision to keep producing and selling gasoline while it attempted repairs on a key piece of equipment, according to BP officials and Texas regulators.

BP says it failed to detect the extent of the emissions for several weeks. It discovered the scope of the problem only after analyzing data from a monitor that measures emissions from a flare 300 feet above the ground that was supposed to incinerate the toxic chemicals.

The company now estimates that 538,000 pounds of chemicals escaped from the refinery while it was replacing the equipment. These included 17,000 pounds of benzene, a known carcinogen; 37,000 pounds of nitrogen oxides, which contribute to respiratory problems; and 186,000 pounds of carbon monoxide.

It is unclear whether the pollutants harmed the health of Texas City residents, but the amount of chemicals far exceeds the limits set by Texas and other states.

For years, the BP refinery in this town of 44,000 has been among the company's most dangerous and pollution-prone operations. A 2005 explosion killed 15 workers; four more workers have died in accidents since then. Last year, the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration fined the company $87 million for failing to address safety problems that caused the 2005 blast.

In the weeks since the Deepwater Horizon exploded and sank in the Gulf, BP has insisted that the incident, the nation's worst environmental disaster, was a disastrous but unusual misstep for a company that has done much in recent years to change its ways.

But a look at BP's record in running the Texas City refinery adds to the mounting evidence that the company's corporate culture favors production and profit margins over safety and the environment. The 40-day release echoes in several notable ways the runaway spill in the Gulf. BP officials initially underestimated the problem and took steps in the days leading up to the incident to reduce costs and keep the refinery online.

Former workers and industry experts say BP's handling of the recent release of chemicals was typical of the plant's and company's operating practices.

The 40-day emissions were initially reported by the Daily News of Galveston, Texas, but received little national attention.

The unit was never completely shut down, and if it would have been, the event probably would have received more attention. Any reduction in production for even as little as 24 hours is considered sufficiently important to be reported in the financial press to investors and others.

Michael Marr, a BP spokesman, said the company had invested more than $1 billion since 2005 to improve the refinery.

Marr said BP initially monitored the emissions using a method approved by Texas regulators. It did not show any release in "excess of regulatory exposure limits to workers or the community during anytime." Using what Marr described as a method that "enables us to better understand the unit's emissions," BP found the much higher rate of release and notified Texas regulators on June 4.

Environmental experts say the amount of chemicals released was one of the largest in recent Texas history.

"This was a giant release over that 40-day period," said Neil Carman, who worked for the regulators for 12 years before joining the Sierra Club. "Even 50,000 pounds is big."

Carman said a study he performed showed the BP Texas City Refinery was already releasing more benzene into the atmosphere than any other place in the U.S. from 1997 to 2007.

BP spokesman Marr says the refinery's 2009 emissions dropped 20 percent from 2008, including a 50 percent drop in benzene emissions. BP had also invested in onsite chemical treatment to reduce emissions, Marr said.

"I would already argue that there's too much benzene in the air in Texas City," Carman said, "and then you add this release over 40 days, and it's just unconscionable that BP would do this."

Officials in Texas City, who were not informed of the scale of the release until after it was over, have asked BP to explain how this could have occurred. Marr said the company is now reviewing its procedures.

"I'm like, 'Oh goodness,'" Bruce Clawson, Texas City's coordinator for emergency management, recalls thinking when BP notified him about the release. "I had a lot of questions and they didn't have a lot of answers at that time."

Clawson said he is not yet satisfied. "Obviously, we do not like anything to be released," he said. "We expect better from them."

Marr said the incident began on April 6 when a component of the refinery's ultracracker went offline. The ultracracker, an integral part of the plant's processing of crude oil into gasoline and other petroleum products, processes 65,000 barrels of oil per day. A financial analyst who follows the industry said that each barrel should earn BP $5 to $10 in profits.

The part that malfunctioned, a hydrogen compressor, traps noxious chemicals, which can then be reused for fuel in the plant and other purposes. When the compressor stopped working, BP decided to send the gases to a 300-foot high flare, whose high temperatures turn the dangerous material into carbon dioxide.

The company knew that the burning process was incomplete and that at least trace amounts would escape. Marr said BP believed the plant's existing monitors, which are placed just a few feet above the ground level and approved by Texas regulators, would detect any excess emissions.

According to Marr, BP immediately also received measurements from a separate monitor that took readings from the flare. It was not until June 4, he said, that the company understood that the emissions were far higher than was permitted.

Despite repeated requests for clarification, Marr declined to say how long the company spent analyzing the data from the flare.

Industry experts say BP had reason to believe from the outset that emissions from the flare would be substantial.

Widely circulated industry guidelines assume that at least 2 percent of what is sent to a flare goes unburned and passes into the atmosphere. Because such large quantities of gas move through a refinery, this can amount to tens of thousands of pounds.

Carman of the Sierra Club says that flares also may be substantially less efficient than the industry believes. He said studies have shown that as much as 20 percent of what is sent to flares is released into the atmosphere.

"A 20 percent release from the flare would equal 5 million pounds and the benzene would have been 170,000 pounds," said Carman.

California regulators said that couldn't happen there. In Contra Costa County, home to several refineries, flares are to be used to handle chemical releases only in emergency situations, not regular operations.

"Refineries aren't allowed to do that in the Bay Area," said Randy Sawyer, the director of the hazardous materials programs in Contra Costa County. "If you have an upset and you need to get rid of gases in a hurry, you can send it to a flare. But if you continue to operate and dump a lot of stuff to a flare, that's not what they were designed for and it adds to pollution." California requires refineries to keep backup hydrogen compressors on hand and it stations regulators at the plants who are alert for any unscheduled flaring.

Last year, the Texas Attorney General filed a civil lawsuit against BP for “poor operating and maintenance practices’’ that caused an “egregious amount of emissions.”

That case cited 53 separate incidents that, taken together, are roughly equal to the 538,000 pounds BP calculates it released over the 40 days this year.

If BP had shut down the ultracracker, it would have lacked a key component needed to create gasoline suitable for its customers, said Mark Demark, the department chair of process technology at Alvin Community College.

"It's a big deal to shut the ultracracker down," he said. "It's operating at two to three thousand pounds of pressure, 700 degrees Farenheit; so it would take you a week just to cool that place down."

Demark, who worked for Shell for 33 years, said if he had been faced with that choice, he would probably have halted operations.

"Just from a public relations standpoint, for 40 days to have a flare going, you have to be really inconsiderate to your community," he said.



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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Sat Jul 03, 2010 10:36 am

So its almost migrating season for millions of ducks and other fowl. They fly down and stay for the winter. Some birds also go down to South America. What is being planned or looked at is to flood some sugarcane, rice, etc. planting fields to give the birds clean habitat, so that they don't get contaminated. Its still going to happen, but the thinking is to give them clean areas and maybe entice them away.


The Consul wrote:It will be reported on the weather segment of the news channels.
"Today's tarball warning has been reduced to moderate."
Just bring Goo-Off to the beach like sunblock for the decaying atmosphere.
Back to the news, John Boehner says "Don't worry -There's oil in them beaches. We will be able to dredge them for a handsome profit in 8-12 years!"

As far as the limits of the American People go....we passed that on March 19, 2003. We became a no bullshit hands-on coroporate fascist state. No Hitler needed. Just the right distracting face, the right distracting act.

We live in a time when lone guys with handicams are our only hope. It's like the Ocean is Rodney King.
Mothers letting their kids play in it. My god. Our brains have been utterly washed.
Maybe when South Beach looks like the Aral Sea people will have had enough. But will we do anything differently besides move inland and read about it on the internets?



I liked this post and just wanted to quote it. That same guy had another youtube 'report' showing how the beach hotels had put out GO JO dispensers for the beach goers. The frog is beginning to boil, but the frog now has go-jo.

http://www.youtube.com/user/CopperTheRa ... u8-tV5s4RQ


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BP oil rushes into Mississippi Delta after Hurricane Alex
wwltv.com
Posted on July 2, 2010 at 6:21 PM
It's been two days since skimmers boats and vacuum barges have worked the waters off of Plaquemines Parish and it shows.
Hurricane Alex whipped up the surf and kept oil spill responders on shore.
Friday, Gov. Bobby Jindal and Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser flew over the freshly oiled wetlands.
"For the last few days, skimmers haven't been out there, boom hasn't been effective as it should have been, the wind, the swells have been pushing the oil into the wetlands and this was a miss," said Jindal. "Alex didn't actually come near our coast."
Alex also scattered miles of containment boom deployed along the coast to keep oil out of the marshes.
"It's all over, Barataria Bay," said Nugesser. "Everything that they had out there has been blown up on shore. They're out, trying to redeploy it now."
Nungesser said he hopes Alex was a wake-up call for the federal government to increase its sense of urgency.
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The governor also sent about 20 National Guard troops to keep an eye on the Coast Guard. He said they will board boats looking for oil and wildlife caught in the sludge.
He also said he expects more oil to pop up in the marsh over the next 48 hours.

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http://www.wwltv.com/news/gulf-oil-spil ... 04334.html
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Okay, the National Guard is 'keeping an eye on' the Coast Guard? Local commentary on how this is playing out down here.

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old_black_dog said on July 3, 2010 at 6:45 AM
National Guard watching Coast Guard? WTF!

cajunfamily said on July 2, 2010 at 9:48 PM
Technically, I think the rig's in federal waters, but I'm not sure. I'm thinking the Coast Guard may have final say if that's the case.

talcatcha said on July 2, 2010 at 8:03 PM
I have heard nothing about the sand berms. I suspect they don't exist anymore and will have to be built from scratch.

stevoreno said on July 2, 2010 at 7:35 PM
Who has law enforcement jurisdiction out in the water? The U.S. Coast Guard or the recently activated Louisiana National Guard? If one or the other isn't doing something right out in the gulf, if each side pulls out their guns who has the final authority? National Guard?

cajunfamily said on July 2, 2010 at 7:14 PM
I'd have to disagree. I think he's doing a pretty good job. Unlike most politicos, if you actually talk to him, you leave with a feeling that it was a genuine conversation. I think he genuinely cares for our state. If he wants to run for higher office one day, so be it. For now though, he's our governor, and I think he takes his job seriously. It's unfortunate that you can't be an effective leader without playing politics today. There are too many hoops to jump through to get things done.

silverfox3 said on July 2, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Again, Bobby is playing politics. Doesn't the law state that skimmers have to be readily available wherever they drill for oil? So taking skimmers from other areas is against the law? Then there's the Jones Act. I'll wager you anything you like that if Obama went around the law to help us out the Republicans would have him impeached for breaking the law. And Bobby would lead the charge. No...I don't think Jindal cares about us any more than any other politician. We just have to pray for a decent outcome because our governor just wants to run for higher office.


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I also wanted to post this. Is this what we have to look forward to? Thirty friggin years? This might as well say the cajun shrimping culture and way of life is over.

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Postby 82_28 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 3:37 pm

NASA Images Show Oil's Invasion Along Louisiana Coast

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These images, acquired on May 24, 2010 by the Multi-angle Imaging SpectroRadiometer (MISR) instrument aboard NASA's Terra spacecraft, show the encroachment of oil from the former Deepwater Horizon rig into Louisiana's wildlife habitats. The source of the spill is located off the southeastern (bottom right) edge of the images.

Dark filaments of oil are seen approaching the shores of Blind Bay and Redfish Bay at the eastern edge of the Mississippi River delta, and also nearing Garden Island Bay and East Bay farther to the south. These areas are home to many varieties of fish. To the north, the arc-shaped pattern of land and runoff is associated with the Chandeleur Islands, which are part of the Breton National Wildlife Refuge. This refuge is the second oldest in the United States and is a habitat for dozens of seabird, shorebird and waterfowl species. Oil is reported to have reached the islands on May 6. Eighteen days later, this image shows filaments of oil crossing the island barrier -- which had been heavily eroded by Hurricane Katrina in 2005 -- and entering the Breton and Chandeleur Sounds.

The left-hand image contains data from MISR's vertical-viewing camera. It is shown in near-true color, except that data from the instrument's near-infrared band, where vegetation appears bright, have been blended with the instrument's green band to enhance the appearance of vegetation.

The Mississippi River delta is located below the image center. The slick is seen approaching the delta from the lower right, and filaments of oil are also apparent farther to the north (towards the top). The oil is made visible by sun reflecting off the sea surface at the same angle from which the instrument is viewing it, a phenomenon known as sunglint. Oil makes the surface look brighter under these viewing conditions than it would if no oil were present. However, other factors can also cause enhanced glint, such as reduced surface wind speed. To separate glint patterns due to oil from these other factors, additional information from MISR's cameras is used in the right-hand image.

Previous MISR imagery of the spill shows that the contrast of the oil against the surroundings is enhanced by using a combination of vertical views and oblique-angle views. The right-hand panel was constructed by combining data from several MISR channels. In this false-color view, oil appears in shades of inky blue to black; silt-laden water due to runoff from the Mississippi River shows up as orange, red and violet; and land and clouds appear in shades of cyan.

The images cover an area measuring 110 by 119 kilometers (68 by 74 miles).


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/featur ... 00602.html
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Postby Nordic » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:01 am

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/vid ... evastation

A whole video of photos I haven't seen before, and a compelling narration to go along with them.

Grand Isle is just completely coated in oil.
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Postby Nordic » Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:09 am

Then there's this:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/85 ... &ATTR=News

Tony Hayward apparently has a lovely little getaway in Spain that he just plunked down 1.3 million pounds for.

What a life this guy wanted back!
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Postby DoYouEverWonder » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:47 am

Somehow it seems appropriate that this news story was filed under the Obituary Section. :blinky:

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Obituaries
Little oversight, looming problems for gas industry
Laura Legere, Times-Shamrock Writer

Published: June 22, 2010

http://www.independentweekender.com/news/little-oversight-looming-problems-for-gas-industry-1.859978
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