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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 24, 2016 11:08 am

FourthBase » Tue May 24, 2016 6:12 am wrote:How would you ordinarily feel about a presidential candidate who says that the Iraq invasion was based on lies, that the Saudi links to 9/11 should be made public, and that the electoral system is rigged and for sale?


If it's Trump, I'd feel it was obvious that he is a lot more serious about rapidly deporting 11 million people with all the jackbooting that entails; instituting a religious interrogation for entry to the US; holding quasi-fascist political pageants; and getting bellicose with new enemies. All are definitional to his program, chosen persona and rhetoric. And he's doubtless more serious about advantaging a slightly different mix of the super-rich. (Never mind the wall, though some Friends-from-Jersey contractors will profit for the thing that will never actually be built.) As for his opportunistic "left" moves, there is by comparison no basis for believing he'd order an investigation of the Iraq WMD lies, reduce the military budget or end covert interventionism (he has indicated the opposite and anyway how is HE going to challenge the MIC?), break with Saudi (now that he's got funding from Adelson and meeting with Kissinger?) or -- ha ha ha -- pursue rigorous electoral/campaign finance/lobbying/revolving door reform. On that last issue, it will surely be "left to the states," along with health care and abortion rights.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Tue May 24, 2016 11:14 am

Okay, yeah, if Mena comes up, then I would go from like 99% displeased to about 90% displeased, maybe less.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 8bitagent » Tue May 24, 2016 12:43 pm

JackRiddler » Tue May 24, 2016 10:08 am wrote:
FourthBase » Tue May 24, 2016 6:12 am wrote:How would you ordinarily feel about a presidential candidate who says that the Iraq invasion was based on lies, that the Saudi links to 9/11 should be made public, and that the electoral system is rigged and for sale?


If it's Trump, I'd feel it was obvious that he is a lot more serious about rapidly deporting 11 million people with all the jackbooting that entails; instituting a religious interrogation for entry to the US; holding quasi-fascist political pageants; and getting bellicose with new enemies. All are definitional to his program, chosen persona and rhetoric. And he's doubtless more serious about advantaging a slightly different mix of the super-rich. (Never mind the wall, though some Friends-from-Jersey contractors will profit for the thing that will never actually be built.) As for his opportunistic "left" moves, there is by comparison no basis for believing he'd order an investigation of the Iraq WMD lies, reduce the military budget or end covert interventionism (he has indicated the opposite and anyway how is HE going to challenge the MIC?), break with Saudi (now that he's got funding from Adelson and meeting with Kissinger?) or -- ha ha ha -- pursue rigorous electoral/campaign finance/lobbying/revolving door reform. On that last issue, it will surely be "left to the states," along with health care and abortion rights.


There are a lot of columnists that are saying that, if Trump originally was just creating a far right populist "character" to get cheap GOP votes, he almost certainly has now bought into his own Andy Kauffman character.
I recall both the movies Bob Roberts and Man of the Year. A day after winning he told Lester Holt in a sit down interview he was serious about the deportation and Muslim ban.

Now he's saying climate change is a hoax, he'd de-regulate wall street, he's got Cheney's support, he's meeting with Kissinger. Funny how Alex Jones has become a quasi unofficial 24 hour Trump network with Fox, with Roger Stone on near daily saying he feeds Trump all the best conspiracy stuff. I say funny, as while Jones is loving all the anti Mexican/Muslim, extreme gun stance Trump is espousing...Trump says he wants to bring back extreme torture, mass surveilance, ect
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Freitag » Tue May 24, 2016 1:27 pm

CNN Trump interview 2007 "The war is a disaster", "[Condoleeza Rice] never makes a deal", talks about veterans, doubts Bush reads a book a week



When Corporal Ryan Stickney and 200 of his fellow Marines prepared to return to their families after Operation Desert Storm in 1991, a logistics error forced them to turn to a surprising source for a ride home: Donald J. Trump.

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"The way the story was told to us was that Mr. Trump found out about it and sent the airline down to take care of us. And that’s all we knew….I remember asking 'Who is Donald Trump?' I truly didn't know anything about him," the former Marine said.

Corporal Stickney snapped a photo to remember the day by:

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby norton ash » Tue May 24, 2016 1:52 pm

Stinkin' up the place again, Freitag. It's just that right-wingers are too fucking dumb and mean to be actually funny.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Rory » Tue May 24, 2016 3:00 pm

Those memes are awful. There's got to be far better material than that
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue May 24, 2016 3:32 pm

More like Make America Grate Again. As in grated teeth.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 24, 2016 3:47 pm

Rory, would you expect anything better than those?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q954LxEzyY8



(Nothing against the people in the video. They seem to know joy, a good sign they're not the Trump type.)
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Rory » Tue May 24, 2016 5:26 pm

There's pages of Clinton ones here http://www.ninaillingworth.com/the-clin ... e-project/

All factual and incisive.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue May 24, 2016 6:47 pm

Rory » Tue May 24, 2016 2:00 pm wrote:Those memes are awful. There's got to be far better material than that


Some favorites:

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue May 24, 2016 6:55 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Tue May 24, 2016 5:47 pm wrote:
Rory » Tue May 24, 2016 2:00 pm wrote:Those memes are awful. There's got to be far better material than that


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That's the one.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby SonicG » Tue May 24, 2016 8:27 pm

Great, maybe in the future all political campaigns can consist completely of memes...

I think it is obvious that Trump throws out the conspiracy jive just as a part of his desperate need for attention but it will be interesting to see how much of it he gets pressed on moving forward. I have a feeling that he will be backing down on a lot of it, claiming it was exaggeration for the "art of the deal", once the voices of "reason" start whispering in his ear. The main problem will be trying to figure out which quotes to pull out and focus on, since he has made so many out and out lies...
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed May 25, 2016 10:11 am

8bitagent » Tue May 24, 2016 11:43 am wrote:...Trump says he wants to bring back extreme torture, mass surveilance, ect


If he really is saying he wants to bring back mass surveillance, that's something else. What a clusterfuck.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Rory » Wed May 25, 2016 10:15 am

Wombaticus Rex » Tue May 24, 2016 10:47 pm wrote:
Rory » Tue May 24, 2016 2:00 pm wrote:Those memes are awful. There's got to be far better material than that


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Much better.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed May 25, 2016 10:42 am

SonicG » Tue May 24, 2016 7:27 pm wrote:Great, maybe in the future all political campaigns can consist completely of memes...


Can you think of any recent political campaigns based on actual issues? I can't.
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