Aliens, Culture Control & the End of Dream's End

[chiggerbit]

Sorry, don't mean to interrupt this particular line the discussion is taking, but OP Ed, did you see my post on the previous page? The reason I ask is that I seem to remember that DE found the topic of TD and masks to be of interest.

Ok, carry on with the current line, everybody.

(Ack, wouldn't you know that this started another page. This is the page I meant, OP ED:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 217#253217 )

[Col. Quisp]

And of course there's this... how perfect:

http://www.moma.org/collection/browse_r ... rt_order=1

Anagram...right.

[Sarah Bellum]

Anna Gaskell went to Bennington College. So did Bret Easton Ellis, the writer working on a script for the Duncan Blake film. So did Ben Mack, pal of ARG master Joseph Matheny.

What were they putting in that cafeteria food?

[OP ED]

Anna Gaskell went to Bennington College. So did Bret Easton Ellis, the writer working on a script for the Duncan Blake film. So did Ben Mack, pal of ARG master Joseph Matheny.

What were they putting in that cafeteria food?

just msg.

300 other people graduate there every year.
i dislike nebulous [i.e. useless] connections. they tend to make waters murkier rather than aiding clarification.

[compared2what?]

Freelancer, there's no arguing about taste and I hope it goes without saying that there's no harm in you or anybody seeing value where I don't. But I still don't.

Also:

I'm standing my ground wrt the work being of little or no value (as expressed by X) when the variable (as expressed by Y) is defined as the maximum possible number of coherent sentences specific to inherent qualities of the work that's greater than two until I see some text that doesn't work out to better than X = -1, even assuming a fixed coherence factor of one hundred percent and erring on the side of inclusion about what is and isn't inherent to the work. Dammit!

[Wombaticus Rex]

Bennington is definitely a nexus of weirdness, but they go out of their way to attract weird kids -- highly talented creatives, and they've got an amazingly surreal campus. It's one of the single most expensive colleges in the country, and a great place to play shows.

[chiggerbit]

I wonder what she's really like.

It seems really weird that her father's business partner is the one who got custody when the kids were orphaned. Is there any info what happened to them?

[Sarah Bellum]

From an article on Anna's brother Jon Gaskell: "His father, a prominent Des Moines stock-broker, died of a heart attack when Gaskell was 20. His mother was killed in a car accident when he was 11." LINK

Anna was 20 or 21 (by differing accounts) when her father died. So why do adults over 18 need a "guardian?"

[chiggerbit]

Good question.


Interesting:
http://www.wexarts.org/db/press/857_November07_Box.pdf

[OP ED]

bitsized: IOOA:

Okay. Good. I think. Is "Good" a response that's congruent with what you write? Please let me know if it isn't.

i suppose it may well be. if by "good" you mean that i am and will be fine and that my ego-scaffolding is unaffected. i have dealt with creepy people before. if my current patterns continue to converge i will deal with them appropriately at that time. my interest in mentioning it isn't so much to convey that i was in some sort of danger. if this seemed to be the case i apologize for likely needlessly concerning. i was perhaps somewhat unclear. the point is that creepy things happen all the time. to me anyhow. and if you're going to go out of your way to look for creepy things besides those naturally occurring you will be required to differentiate between coincidental things and things with real causal relationships. for the record, if i had the merest inkling that i was in ongoing present danger, i am an evil landlord, i could go somewhere else. Ohio, Kalamazoo, Universe B, wherever.

[all of my guns/permits are exactly the same in ohio, some of my knives aren't though so i'd have to leave them under my bed or something, i don't know how they regulate firearms in universe B]

so, good is good. i will let you know if it isn't. but the internet wouldn't be told where i was going.

Honey, no creepy people (by which I mean "people who do high-level psy-op hit jobs") are rational. They're completely out of their fucking minds, which in my view is another excellent reason not to waste your time combing through the minute details of their incomprehensible and bizarre actions.

[and waste years of college credits?]

i like creepy people. i mean, in the sense that i like hurricanes and sharks. they're fascinating. sometimes you can even help them.

[people engaging in ongoing dangerous and/or violent behavior should be helped even more efficiently]

[preferably medication]

...

Despite which, some creepy people are very predictable, within certain parameters. But that's less because they're rational than because they've been heavily conditioned by a tightly controlled organization to think and act in accordance with authorized totalitarian standards. Still, it can be useful to know.

agreed, for the most part.

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i don't have nearly as many cameras as i do firearms, but it is something i will consider, in the event something similar happens again. normally i have a cameraphone actually, but it was early enough that it was still on the charger instead of in my pocket.

That sounds good...

I often have my camera so I can shoot if I see stuff like security guard brutality or something else interesting..

As to mistaking dreams or hallucinations for a real cloaked figure...
Maybe its possible, but I have never experienced such illusions - even pretty freaked out I usually have a strong sense of the unreality of such. Of course its just my perceptions...But I do know other peoples trips might cause one altered perceptions or visions too - Ive inadvertently done that to other humans and animals a couple times..

Seems you know some people Id rather not know

Hope its nothing.

you will know if i am concerned because i won't be around. i'll be hiding somewhere.


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OP ED said:

eventually i walk over to the window of the garage door, looks out on my driveway.

there is some dude [speculative] standing in my driveway. about say, 40 yrds away, near the street. in a robe and cloak. with a strange mask on. looks like an elephant.

just fucking staring at my house.

Are you aware of the "aliens" fitting that description who made an appearance in Iran and Italy way back in October of 1954? I found them in my copy of (first edition) UFOs and the National Security State (by Richard M. Dolan):

In Teheran at 2:30 a. m. on October 12, a man on the second floor of his house saw a luminous, white object hover about 50 feet from his window. Lights shone from various parts of the craft and the witness clearly saw a small figure inside the craft, dressed in black and wearing a mask with a hose. (page 142/first edition)

And:

On November 8th in the town of Monza, a crowd of 150 people investigated a light coming from a stadium. The people saw three figures in light-colored clothing and transparent helmets, standing near a disc-shaped craft on three legs. The beings made guttural sounds among themselves; one had a dark face and a hose or trunk coming up to his face. The craft left upward silently. (page 145/first edition)

I also remember reading an article online that asked whether these "aliens" were wearing gas masks and the tube from the mouth/nose area looked like an elephant's trunk from a distance. Still looking for that bookmark, but haven't been able to find it.

With the number of "alien abduction" witnesses who've reported aerosol sprays being used on them, I'm actually surprised that the number of "aliens with trunks" isn't much higher. [Note: I now put quotation marks around the word alien when used in the context of abductions, since I have a strong suspicion that many of them are being done by human covert ops types. Not all, but many.]

LilyPat

nope. sorry.

[OP ED]

Sorry, don't mean to interrupt this particular line the discussion is taking, but OP Ed, did you see my post on the previous page? The reason I ask is that I seem to remember that DE found the topic of TD and masks to be of interest.

Ok, carry on with the current line, everybody.

(Ack, wouldn't you know that this started another page. This is the page I meant, OP ED:
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewt ... 217#253217 )

i don't really find the topic of masks to be that interesting. or perhaps at least not to me personally. sort of obvious really.

[monkeytribe23]

Sunny, i have pondered this and it doesn't make sense to me that DE was fair gamed. I am positive that Co$ would have someone monitor the situation (and that would mean monitoring RI, for sure) because the TD/JB story was mainstream, but... Why would the Co$ put effort into bringing MORE attention to the already suspicious deaths of TD and JB by winding up the blog pages? That is surely what Eve's 'art' did?

However:

DE has totally pulled his blog. Then he has pulled the wayback machine access to ANY of his material.

Jeff has quit.

I see 2 dead people. I see 2 dead blogs. If Eve is just an asshole, playing a game of "get a reaction" on a forum or 2, would DE and Jeff behave the way they have? There have always been assholes...

Hava has said there are a group of international con artists using this board as a testing ground for running scams.

If this is the case, that would explain DE's & Jeff's reaction. They feel threatened.

It would also excuse DE for seeing TD & JB deaths as and ARG. Maybe it *was* an alternate reality game, just for DE, and more of a con-game than a roll playing on-line detective mystery...

It would not excuse Jeff for allowing that to go on here if he knew it to be so.

Which i don't think he would.

So...

If you take Eve out of the equation... what have you got left? Pretend for a moment that she is not a super spy, she is just someone with way too much free time and a grudge. all the damage to DE was thru her. is it possible it was all just a game by one pissed off person with no real purpose other than to be an asshole?

And if it was all just eve... who is she and why did she do this? She killed two of the best blogs i have found on teh hole of teh interwubs.

It is interesting you bring up Anna Gaskel. It occured to me that she obviously has

a) knowledge of 'monarch' and the alice in wonderland symbolism associated.
b) a vested interest in the whole affair.

this qualifies her to be eve. also eve refers to what she is doing as 'art'. and gaskel is an artist.

as far as my theory goes, eve also has said many times that her actions were 'self defense'. which leaves me with my original question, with a different protagonist:

Why would [the Co$] / [Eve] / [Anna] / [anyone] put effort into bringing MORE attention to the already suspicious deaths of TD and JB by winding up the blog pages?

and for a while, it was a full-time effort of the part of someone...

my question could be wrong, of course. maybe the question should be,

Why would [insert name here ] put effort into bringing down DE and, by proxy, Jeff?

or even just:

What was the purpose of the person who did this?

Was the purpose to bring down a blog, blogger, bloggers, or just to completely muddy the waters around TD and JB's deaths? is it just bret easton ellis collecting script ideas?

just to take wombat's advice about framing your questions...

[i would also like to state that i think eve should be ignored. it's getting really lame when she has to come here, point at her blog, and then have to actually explain the joke that is on the blog. really lame. and not very superspy.]

[nathan28]

Good effort at post-mortem, monkey.

I see 2 dead people. I see 2 dead blogs.

The latter happens. You run out of energy or things to write about. Maybe you resolve your question, or address your subject fully. Etc.

Hava has said there are a group of international con artists using this board as a testing ground for running scams.

If this is the case, that would explain DE's & Jeff's reaction. They feel threatened.

I wish hava1 ("zOMG her nam3 is 'EVE'!!!11!") would be more specific at times, but don't think that's coming forward.

I didn't feel threatened when "DE's Ghost" mentioned me, but I did feel a little involved. Now I feel either exhausted or disgusted, maybe a little of both.

It would not excuse Jeff for allowing that to go on here if he knew it to be so.

Who knows. Jeff hasn't commented to any length on any information known only to him--which he surely has some, be it of a factual angle, or just IP addresses, from what I can gather.

If you take Eve out of the equation... all the damage to DE was thru her. is it possible it was all just a game by one pissed off person with no real purpose other than to be an asshole?

And if it was all just eve... who is she and why did she do this? She killed two of the best blogs i have found on teh hole of teh interwubs.

It is interesting you bring up Anna Gaskel. It occured to me that she obviously has

a) knowledge of 'monarch' and the alice in wonderland symbolism associated.
b) a vested interest in the whole affair.

this qualifies her to be eve. also eve refers to what she is doing as 'art'. and gaskel is an artist.

as far as my theory goes, eve also has said many times that her actions were 'self defense'.

Not necessarily. Likewise she might be taking the subject matters as a point of departure for art and that'd be all. I think it'd be really fucking ghoulish for that to be the case... Some of Ms. Gaskell's work is dark, but not that dark. I don't know. I don't know her, got no real interest in making a phone call.

which leaves me with my original question, with a different protagonist:

Why would [the Co$] / [Eve] / [Anna] / [anyone] put effort into bringing MORE attention to the already suspicious deaths of TD and JB by winding up the blog pages?

and for a while, it was a full-time effort of the part of someone...

my question could be wrong, of course. maybe the question should be,

Why would [insert name here ] put effort into bringing down DE and, by proxy, Jeff?

That first bit was my question: what was the point. But who said there was a point?

How do we know this isn't Jeff's schtick? Maybe he wants us to learn a lesson! From his persona here I don't think that's the case, but until this gets resolved (it won't), it could be. He & DE were the epicenter. What that means is, of course, open.

DE locked down his site after the interest here revived. I'll take some blame for that. I want us to take a meta-approach to this, which is hard without the "approach" material. I won't claim to know his motivations.

or even just:

What was the purpose of the person who did this?

Was the purpose to bring down a blog, blogger, bloggers, or just to completely muddy the waters around TD and JB's deaths? is it just bret easton ellis collecting script ideas?

just to take wombat's advice about framing your questions...

Does the pattern of interference suggest the goal was to kill the blogs? There's a dependence there. Look at how Eve & her bots started acting up again. In other words, she's got some stake in knowing what's going on. I think that's another point for the "being a jerk" category. Even if the purpose is to bring down a blog, it could be entirely personal motivation, not some other agency. And again, it doesn't take a lot of energy. Look at Cocoaandtruffles: hardly a multi-volume epic.

[Sarah Bellum]

Blogs dying happens.

But DE's blog's death sure as hell didn't "just happen."

Do we know for certain that Jeff has quit blogging for good?

[monkeytribe23]

Do we know for certain that Jeff has quit blogging for good?

not at all, that was purely speculation.