compared2what? wrote:Dude, he was a far-right spook.
You mean like other mil-intel whistleblowers like Philip Agee, John Stockwell, Victor Marchetti, Ralph McGehee, etc.?
Prouty and those other names told us information not available outside spook culture. That's why we examine the totality of their lives and output to see if they are shagging us with disinfo, not to see if they are infallible saints.
Prouty was high-level Air Force brought into covert ops in 1943 and for the next twenty years was at the center of the creation of the secret mil-intel government that Americans live under today. And he told us this history in his 'Secret Team' book published between the release of the so-called Pentagon Papers and Watergate, long before the limited hang-out dirty laundry dump of the Pike and Church Committees.
He uses stone-obvious NLP tricks on every page of his book.
That's the most bizarre accusation you've made yet. Stretching your distrust way past the facts.
You cannot explain how he fell for Scientology so hard...
I went to lots of trouble to transcribe the shiny drug program and community service sell plus anti-government abuse flag-waving of CoS that has snowed quite a lot of very intelligent people. If you don't know how CoS gets its traction, you will ascribe evil intent to many people who lack it.
... that he fucking testified to medals, actions and facts that don't exist.
I shredded your source for this puffed up characterization of Prouty's offer of info about fake military records. Read again.
It was someone named Chris Owen writing only about CoS who used CIA-CBS and a CIA disinfoteer named John McAdams as sources. Owen made grotesque errors and had his own myopic agenda. So his judgement and fact-checking are more in error than Prouty's attempts to make sense of LRHubbard's military files.
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As part of his intro to the Pentagon Papers material he describes Daniel Ellsberg as "a hippie" who few people knew actually worked for the government, which is simply a flat-out fucking invention.
When are you referring to? 1972 when 'The Secret Team' was ready to be published?
Prouty correctly identified Ellsberg as fronting a spook-driven deception, a limited hang-out. The so-called Pentagon Papers were more accurately CIA papers and CIA was hanging Vietnam on the Pentagon, a tactic of internecine warfare we can see still going on with the CIA-NYTimes 'outing' the Pentagon generals pimping the Iraq invasion and this bringing awards to the NYTimes journo for his efforts. Shameless distortion of reality, like Henry Kissinger winning the Nobel Peace prize.
Douglas Valentine, author of 'The Phoenix Program' also identified the half-story we got from Ellsberg.
http://www.douglasvalentine.com/http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine03082003.htmlI've read all Ellsberg's books and found that Prouty and Valentine are correct about Ellsberg's notable omissions. He had a period of Vietnam holocaust mea culpa and helped put some brakes on a war (good but...) which he actually helped start by being a point man on the USS Maddox-Gulf of Tonkin hoax. Did you know he helped with that? What a coincidence!
There are right-wing dog-whistles on every page of that book, practically. (All that "men such as GREAT AND GLORIOUS SOLDIERS LISTED HERE" stuff ought to send a signal of that nature to anyone who isn't fucking tone-deaf right off the bat.
Prouty was totally a military man. Duh.
He was high-level during WWII and the Cold War, not a pacifist.
You'll find that other important whistleblowers like Ralph McGehee (CIA) and John Ritter (Marines/UNSCOM) retain their belief in the value of a non-corrupt non-abusive version of their organizations. BFD.
There was more incriminating information about the CIA in the public record in mainstream academic books (for example, Abuse of Power, Theodore Draper, 1967) than there is in The Secret Team long, long before it had to be "suppressed." Which I really do not find at all credible.
It really was suppressed. That's not a figure of speech despite your quotation marks.
No, there's not a more authoritative insider history of how CIA infiltrated branches of the US government or ran its own wars thereby inspiring Ike's stunning television warning to look out for the "military-industrial complex," which most people took to mean the Pentagon since little was known about CIA until the Bay of Pigs. Even today the public has little idea of what spook culture is like or that the tv and movie scripts they were raised on from birth were written by spooks.
And Prouty's information on the significance of NSAM 263 and the security-stripping of JFK in Dallas is unmatched. He identified members of the Operation Mongoose team in Dealey Plaza (Lansdale), identified the 'three tramps' as a theatrical distraction, identified the too-soon timing of a full description of the patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald, among other critically important elements of that false-flag coup.
None of that has been disputed as falsehoods.
Furthermore, if he fell for CoS -- and it's not like the rumors about them were hard to come by -- what makes you feel so certain he's correct about all the stuff he asks his readers to take solely at his word?
If you can't tell the difference between mil-intel history 1943-1963 and the shiny side of 1980s CoS, you're going to have trouble with anything complex or subtle.
Which is, incidentally, everything of any interest he has to say, none of which is checkable through third-party sources. Because Only He Knew.
"None?" Wrong.
There's are other first-hand reports from the era Prouty describes. Some are even honest. Some times.
And if you are going to dismiss all whistleblowers of covert culture out of hand because you can't confirm it through CIA.gov or AskJeeves, good luck learning anything worth knowing.
What specifically about either 'The Secret Team' or 'JFK: The CIA, Vietnam and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy' do you dispute. Or, for that matter, anything in his online articles and correspondence
regarding mil-intel culture?
I abhor Scientology as much as anyone and include in my list of personal allies someone who pioneered deprogramming of cult victims and won a landmark settlement from CoS.
I lost a high school sweetheart to CoS back in the early 80s and went to the library to find out what the hell it was that had so consumed this sweet person's life.
So I don't take CoS lightly at all.
However, I do know why people can be involved and not be evil or stupid.This seems to be
way beyond your ken. People are more complex than you allow.
And the reason I'm spouting all of this "room-for-argument" stuff, although in my view, there is none, is that I'm never going to be able to pull the trigger on him for real...
There's a reason for that.
He wasn't out to deceive or enslave us despite your antipathy and generic distrust.
He was a high-level military man with a unique position as 1955-63 liason between Pentagon and CIA who told what he knew about a unique period of US history when the secret mil-intel government took over and murdered the elected president.
