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Postby undead » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:20 pm

Well, there is the obvious queen of the flowers, of course. This looks interesting as well. I've never taken SSRIs before (pretty much the only type of psychiatric I've never taken) but I might be open to trying something to that effect if it came from a plant. The similarity of the name to cannabis is very interesting. Kane Bosom (hebrew) or Kane Vouri (greek) could be derivative. Maybe it was originally a word for "plant that makes you feel good".

Kanna - Sceletium tortuosum powder

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The mood-enhancing plant known in it's homeland as "canna" , “channa” or “kanna”, is a low-growing succulent indigenous to South Africa. It was so esteemed among native tribes that they'd travel hundreds of miles to collect plants in the wild. Reports from Dutch colonists dating back as far as 1662 describe its use as an inebriant noting that natives would chew, smoke or snuff the fermented plant parts and "their spirits would rise, eyes brighten and faces take on a jovial air, and they would commence to dance."

Sceletium has significant mood-elevating and anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) properties. When used as a daily tonic at doses as low as 100mg to 200mg, users report improvements in mood, decreased anxiety, relaxation and a sense of well-being. At higher dosages ranging between 500mg to 2000mg, kanna acts as a calming euphoriant and empathogen. Users report increased personal insight, interpersonal ease and a meditative, grounded feeling without any perceptual dulling. Kanna has a profound ability to open the heart. Many users note enhanced tactile and sexual response. Some reports also note significant potentiation of alcohol and cannabis. High doses produce distinct inebriation and stimulation often followed by sedation.

The mood-elevating action of sceletium is believed due a number of alkaloids including mesembrine, mesembrenol and tortuosamine. Preliminary research suggests these alkaloids may interact with the brain’s dopamine and serotonin receptors. It’s been noted that kanna exerts activity as an selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor or SSRI.

Caution!: Do not combine with SSRI’s, MAO inhibitors or any other psychiatric medications or cardiac medications. Not for use by pregnant or nursing women or anyone under the age of 18. Not intended to treat, diagnose, cure or prevent any disease. Sceletium, nor the information contained herein have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.

Our kanna is processed using the most current modern method which avoids any potential problems with molds and bacteria that occur duing the traditional fermentation process. Sustainably harvested organic foliage and roots are crushed, dried carefully at 80 degrees Celsius and pulverized to yield a fine powder.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:28 pm

Here, for whatever it is worth, is one set of suggested guidelines from Andrew Weil for developing an integrative treatment program for depression. I think that these sorts of approaches would be most effective for mild to moderate depression...


Recommended Lifestyle Changes for Depression Treatment


In Buddhist philosophy, depression represents the inevitable consequence of seeking stimulation. The centuries old teachings suggest that we seek balance in our emotional health and lives, rather than continuously striving for the highs, and then complaining about the lows that follow.

Its basic recommendation encourages the daily practice of meditation, and this is perhaps the best way to address the root of depression and change it. This requires long-term commitment, however, as meditation does not produce immediate results.

Exercise. For more immediate, symptomatic depression treatment, there is no better method than regular aerobic exercise. Numerous studies have demonstrated the efficacy of a daily workout for improving emotional health and boosting self confidence. I recommend thirty minutes of continuous activity, at least five days a week for best results.

Check your meds. Make sure you are not taking any over-the-counter or prescription medications that contribute to depression. Avoid all antihistamines, tranquilizers, sleeping pills and narcotics if you have any tendency toward depression. You should also be cautious about the use of recreational drugs, notably alcohol, cocaine, amphetamines, downers, marijuana and ecstasy. These substances may provide a temporary sense of relief, but are likely to intensify depression to dangerous levels if used regularly.

Cut caffeine. Addiction to coffee and other forms of caffeine often interferes with normal moods and can aggravate depression.

Try acupuncture. This modality has proven itself to be very useful in treating several mood disorders, including depression.

Seek professional help. Find a psychotherapist, mental health professional or grief counselor who can help you explore the elements contributing to your depression and facilitate recovery. Cognitive behavioral therapy can be especially helpful.

Anti-depressant medications. Speak to your physician to determine if you are a candidate for anti-depressant medication. Proceed with caution, however, as an analysis by British researchers published in February, 2008, suggested that many commonly prescribed anti-depressant pharmaceuticals have limited effectiveness.

Nutrition and Supplements

B vitamins. The B vitamins, especially folic acid and vitamin B6, can be helpful in mild depression, and you should know that B vitamins can increase the efficacy of prescription anti-depressants.

St. John's wort. St. John's wort is an herbal remedy that has long been used in Europe as a treatment for mood disorders. Standardized extracts have shown an effectiveness equaling Prozac in the treatment of mild to moderate forms of the disease. It should not be taken with anti-retroviral medications, birth control pills, or antidepressant medications, especially SSRIs like Prozac or Celexa. Try 300mg of an extract standardized to 0.3 percent hypericin, three times a day. It's full effect will be felt in about eight weeks.

SAMe (S-adenosylmethionine). Has the advantage of working more quickly than St John's wort. Use only the butanedisulfonate form in enteric-coated tablets, or in capsules. Try 400-1,600 mg a day on an empty stomach.

Fish oil. Recent preliminary studies suggest that omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil may be helpful in maintaining a healthy mind. I think that reasonable doses of fish-oil supplements (1,000 - 2,000 mg per day) might be useful in addressing mild depression. Fish oil is an excellent source of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), an essential fatty acid found in nerve and brain tissue.

In addition, follow a well-balanced diet and include an antioxidant multi-vitamin/mineral supplement to ensure you are meeting your nutritional needs for all the essential nutrients.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby undead » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:46 pm

AD - yes, you are correct. Right now we are beginning to see the naked elitist population control scheme being put into effect, and psychiatric drugging will play a central role in this. They want an obedient, dependent, and short-lived population of slaves to serve them. Slaves don't get talk therapy, they get psychiatric drugs for their mental disease. You have a mental disease if you don't like being a slave. The psychiatric diagnosis is their way of solidifying apartheid in the medical and scientific realm, giving their political judgment the weight of the entire history of western scientific progress. They pick the ones that are likely to act up and label them so they can be easily dealt with.

The elites, on the other hand, can do whatever they want. They can get acupuncture, eat organic food, and smoke medical cannabis legally. Obama's organic garden is a prime example of this. Another example is Bloomburg, who famously told the public that he enjoyed smoking marijuana. I think that very few of the elites actually appreciate these things from a self-preservation angle. This will change when the ones who don't appreciate them get cancer and die.

So when it comes to users of alternative healthcare we are looking mostly at the children of the elites and upper middle class. Those intelligent enough to recognize the value of alternative healthcare will tend to be anarchist / libertarian, seeing the state as the supporter of all things fucked up. That public health, public education, and the rest of the "welfare state" is the only reason their parents ever achieved that middle class status does not occur to them because the history has been erased. That, and the task of reforming the system is so colossal that most people who have the spare time and energy to think about it would rather not, so they rationalize this intellectual laziness into ideologies like anarchism and libertarianism.
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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:49 pm

American Dream wrote:Here, for whatever it is worth, is a thumbnail sketch of a set of guidelines from Andrew Weil for developing an integrative treatment program for depression:


Mostly good common sense advice and at worst harmless, if not useful for severe mental illness. If you're depressed but physically healthy, and if you're not exercising, eating well and being moderate with the daily food-drugs like caffeine, and if you're not talking through your problems with someone, then yeah, going straight to the prescription dispensary is a very bad idea, an avoidance, a false hope for a quick-fix, and a gamble with the "side" effects.

If you are at least doing those things, then you can start looking at medical alternatives. But this is funny:

St. John's wort. ... Standardized extracts have shown an effectiveness equaling Prozac in the treatment of mild to moderate forms of the disease.


Indeed, an effectiveness equaling Prozac. Much as we saw in the St. John's/Zoloft study. Which is to say, the SSRIs do about as well as the placebo in treating depression (in the cases classified as "not severe," meaning the vast majority), and der Johanniskraut does no worse.

Not to deny whatever your personal experience may be. If you feel it helps, whatever it is, it probably does. Or I wouldn't want to persuade you otherwise without first getting to know you and gathering some observations to make such a judgement.

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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby undead » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:52 pm

Let Them Eat Prozac

This website explores threats to public safety and academic freedom surrounding the SSRI group of drugs – Prozac, Zoloft (Lustral), Paxil (Seroxat/Aropax).

It makes available trial transcripts in 3 major cases involving SSRIs and suicide and homicide.

It also makes available correspondence surrounding issues to do with ghost writing, efforts to draw attention to the hazards of these drugs and the dramatic changes taking place in academia as an increasing proportion of clinical research is privatised.

This background data has been synthesized in book form in Let Them Eat Prozac published by James Lorimer for the Canadian Association of University Teachers, ISBN no 1-55028-783-4. Chapters 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10 are made available here linked to their respective background materials.

On the face of it, the investigation of possible hazards posed by SSRIs does not seem to have followed the conventional dynamics of science, where anomalies in the data are supposed to spur further investigation. In this case, debate has been closed down rather than opened up. Journals that might have been thought to be independent of pharmaceutical company influence have “managed” not to publish articles and the appropriate scientific forums have “managed” not to debate the issues.

Is this evidence of undue pharmaceutical company influence?

Is it evidence of the power of the current epidemiological paradigm in medicine that effectively only values one form of evidence – that stemming from Randomised Controlled Trials?

Is it evidence of a Matthew Effect, whereby concerns stemming from centres other than Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard or Yale are simply much less likely to be taken seriously?

These questions go to the heart of the current debate on academic freedom and the role of commercial support for Academia. In order to move this debate forward, we would be happy to publish on this website germane material, whether from others who have lost posts within either Academia or pharmaceutical companies, or people who have had difficulties raising hazards about pharmaceutical agents, or other material.

Please forward additional material to:

James Turk
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Or post to:

North Wales Department of Psychological Medicine
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Further material from Miller v Pfizer, Motus v Pfizer, Berman v Lilly, and other cases are available on request from the above address.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 11, 2011 2:58 pm

I would add also a word of caution about medical marijuana in the treatment of depression.

While some people do indeed feel that it helps them, others report that it can make things worse.

Your mileage may vary....
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Postby undead » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:23 pm

American Dream wrote:I would add also a word of caution about medical marijuana in the treatment of depression.

While some people do indeed feel that it helps them, others report that it can make things worse.

Your mileage may vary....


"Depression" is very often the result of being in a negative situation, in which case taking something to make the situation more tolerable can distract one from finding the main cause of the problem. Having temporary relief from depression and then crashing back down into it can indeed make it worse. I think that having a healthy relationship with cannabis requires a certain kind of positive thinking, and it can be difficult to do this when you are chronically depressed.

Or, it could help you to see what barriers are stopping you from feeling positive and give an insight into how to remove them. One reason I don't like to talk about "depression" in abstract is that it can mean so many things, and you can't really generalize about it accurately. Most people can benefit a lot from a little bit of cannabis. It will not solve everything by itself, though.

When it comes to cannabis, the people who should really be careful are the ones who experience extreme states of consciousness endogenously, because it can intensify them in the extreme.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby eyeno » Fri Mar 11, 2011 3:45 pm

Well, there is the obvious queen of the flowers, of course.



Are you talking about Passion Flower?
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby undead » Fri Mar 11, 2011 4:47 pm

eyeno wrote:
Well, there is the obvious queen of the flowers, of course.



Are you talking about Passion Flower?


No, I meant cannabis. Passion Flower is nice too, though. Especially for sleeping problems. I have seen passionflower work well for a young boy about 5 years old who was "hyper active". He still had a lot of energy but the passionflower calmed him down so his parents could keep up. It really makes a lot more sense than giving a kid a stimulant because they have too much energy. And it won't turn them into a drug addict later in life like amphetamines do.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby compared2what? » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:48 pm

AD and undead --

You're both liars and trolls, as well as all-around deceptive, dishonest -- and possibly even dangerously malicious but definitely bone-ignorant -- assholes. Go fuck yourselves.
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Re: don't care what the scilons say, psychiatry now a sick j

Postby American Dream » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:02 pm

QFT:


compared2what?wrote:
AD and undead --

You're both liars and trolls, as well as all-around deceptive, dishonest -- and possibly even dangerously malicious but definitely bone-ignorant -- assholes. Go fuck yourselves.
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Postby barracuda » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:22 pm

We don't ban people for occasional breaches of etiquette and board rules, compared. If that were the case, half the board would be gone. We simply request that you generally observe the posting guidelines regarding obscenity.
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Postby compared2what? » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:35 pm

barracuda wrote:We don't ban people for occasional breaches of etiquette and board rules, compared. If that were the case, half the board would be gone. We simply request that you generally observe the posting guidelines regarding obscenity.


FUCK.

Well, fine. I guess I'll take it to the Court of Appeals, then.
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Postby Project Willow » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:44 pm

American Dream wrote:QFT:


Are you admitting to being a troll? :shrug:

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C2W, yeah, I tried that too once.

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Postby Searcher08 » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:47 pm

compared2what? wrote:AD and undead --

You're both liars and trolls, as well as all-around deceptive, dishonest -- and possibly even dangerously malicious but definitely bone-ignorant -- assholes. Go fuck yourselves.
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Wots the deal? Please? Feels like you are engineering a 'constructive dismissal' Fine if that's your bag, but just leaves me feeling... a bit depressed TBH
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