"Earth Getting Mysteriously Windier"

[82_28]

Right now there are people dying and losing their homes.

I kind of don't want to speculate on what is probably just the new normal as the planet gets more fucked up.

But here is something I'm wondering.

If you were in charge of the US and had weather modification capability what would you do right now? What possible use ould you put it too?

New Yorkifying the "small markets" by way of conspiracy gibberish that follows the supposedly "underground" channels and the small markets paved by the fucking right wing idiots who are now being publicly cut loose only to meet with destruction or fear of such.

[brainpanhandler]

Also notice anything about this?

http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat ... &region=he

I'm not seeing it. What am I supposed to be noticing Joe?

Right now there are people dying and losing their homes.

I kind of don't want to speculate on what is probably just the new normal as the planet gets more fucked up.

But here is something I'm wondering.

If you were in charge of the US and had weather modification capability what would you do right now? What possible use ould you put it too?

I can't imagine why I'd be producing huge storms.

I think even if the technology exists to alter the weather that it can't be so powerful as to be precise in its effects.

I'd also suggest searching the archives.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=22069&hilit

[Joe Hillshoist]

BPH - Thats a real time map, I dunno how to track down the actual archived image. I've just realised that ... anyway.

Did you notice a dark area west of the west coast? I maybe just over the coast, what I'd associate with a high pressure system.

If you didn't I'll have to track down an archve loop for the time I made that post.

Basically it looked like it could be a high pressure system between the streaming moisture laden air and the west coast of N America. If you could generate a high pressure system that kept that interfered with the jet stream you might be able to stop some of the radioactive shit streaming across the north pacific.

Just speculating thats all. i dunno if its possible or plausible.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I'm stupid with submit buttons at the moment, but I've tracked down some archive pics.





Those aren't the exact images, but are from the same day. the dark area is sposed to high IR, and represent low moistiure content in the atmosphere.

The second one has something like the line I saw, but it isn't as defined or my memory is crap. The first one is vaguer, butr there's a hint of it.

Anyway I was speculating that if there is some attempt to affect the weather it might be that generating a hp system where the dark area is on those gifs is one, cos it appears that hp/high ir (dark area) seems to be stopping the moisture from hitting the continent. Thats if I'm reading that image right.

It would make sense to do that, cos no one is immune to radioactive fallout.

I dunno if its possible to have that sort of effect tho. the only way to get some data would be to check those images over several years for the same pattern, and then see if its regular at this time of year, etc etc.

Basically if there is a pattern of unusual activity that appears to interfere with the flow of atmospheric moisture eastward over the west coast since this disaster in japan then there may be something in my speculation.

I don't care enough to check and look for that pattern right now, but if anyone else does feel like doing it make sure you let us know if there was anything in that speculation, or if there wasn't.

[JackRiddler]

Right now there are people dying and losing their homes.

I kind of don't want to speculate on what is probably just the new normal as the planet gets more fucked up.

But here is something I'm wondering.

If you were in charge of the US and had weather modification capability what would you do right now? What possible use ould you put it too?

New Yorkifying the "small markets" by way of conspiracy gibberish that follows the supposedly "underground" channels and the small markets paved by the fucking right wing idiots who are now being publicly cut loose only to meet with destruction or fear of such.

Can you expand on this to the point where I might understand it, because it sounds interesting?

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[brainpanhandler]

It would make sense to do that, cos no one is immune to radioactive fallout.

Maybe. I hadn't thought of that. But it's my understanding that the large majority of radioactivity that has been released into the environment by Fukishima has gone into the ocean and relatively little into the atmosphere. That seems likely true, although god knows what was spewed into the atmpsphere by those hydrogen explosions. At any rate it seems as though not that much radioactivity is actually reaching the west coast of the US. Of course that doesn't mean that someone might not use the fear of radioactivity as an excuse to test the system. It seems to me that there would probably be some sort of a way to use haarp to suck moisture out of the atmosphere and that that would have been/is one of the uses it would have been designed for. Artificially producing droughts seems to me like it would be a powerful weapon, especially if you happen to be one of the world's largest agricultural producers.

I see what you are referring to in the pics. Not inconceivable. However, it seems to me that unless there were already favorable conditions for a hp zone extant, then to artificially create an hp zone of that size would require an enormous amount of energy.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I see what you are referring to in the pics. Not inconceivable. However, it seems to me that unless there were already favorable conditions for a hp zone extant, then to artificially create an hp zone of that size would require an enormous amount of energy.

Yeah, I'd agree with that to a fair degree, even to the point where I'd say if this is possible that might be the only way.

The thing with dynamic systems is that even seemingly stable aspects can be destabilised by the precise application of seemingly small amounts of energy. If that energy is applied near the right tipping point. Like some martial arts.

Anyway I'm speculating.

But one thing ... an impression I got from that real time unisys ir loop I posted ... it seemed as if a "pineapple express" (look it up) event was deflected 90 degree to the north as well. Thats another ... description I spsoe, that popped into my head.

Just remember this is in the context of what you would do with weather mod tedh now if you had it, and is there anything resembling evidence for it that may hold more weight than radar rings.

I'm kind of interested in what 82 is saying too tho. Whats the deal with farm ownership, esp small farm ownership in the areas affected. Will this send many small farmers to the wall?

(Are there any left?)

[crikkett]

Here's a wild speculation.

Last night I was recalling NASA footage of glowing jellyfishy things in space that dove down to swarm electrical storms on the planet. They seemed to be alive.

What if we somehow managed to kill them off and so now, our storms are stronger?

[wintler2]

A link between climate change and Joplin tornadoes? Never!

By Bill McKibben

Caution: It is vitally important not to make connections. When you see pictures of rubble like this week’s shots from Joplin, Mo., you should not wonder: Is this somehow related to the tornado outbreak three weeks ago in Tuscaloosa, Ala., or the enormous outbreak a couple of weeks before that (which, together, comprised the most active April for tornadoes in U.S. history). No, that doesn’t mean a thing.

It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected.

If you did wonder, you see, you would also have to wonder about whether this year’s record snowfalls and rainfalls across the Midwest — resulting in record flooding along the Mississippi — could somehow be related. And then you might find your thoughts wandering to, oh, global warming, and to the fact that climatologists have been predicting for years that as we flood the atmosphere with carbon we will also start both drying and flooding the planet, since warm air holds more water vapor than cold air.

It’s far smarter to repeat to yourself the comforting mantra that no single weather event can ever be directly tied to climate change. There have been tornadoes before, and floods — that’s the important thing. Just be careful to make sure you don’t let yourself wonder why all these record-breaking events are happening in such proximity — that is, why there have been unprecedented megafloods in Australia, New Zealand and Pakistan in the past year. Why it’s just now that the Arctic has melted for the first time in thousands of years. No, better to focus on the immediate casualties, watch the videotape from the store cameras as the shelves are blown over. Look at the news anchorman standing in his waders in the rising river as the water approaches his chest.

Because if you asked yourself what it meant that the Amazon has just come through its second hundred-year drought in the past five years, or that the pine forests across the western part of this continent have been obliterated by a beetle in the past decade — well, you might have to ask other questions. Such as: Should President Obama really just have opened a huge swath of Wyoming to new coal mining? Should Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sign a permit this summer allowing a huge new pipeline to carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta? You might also have to ask yourself: Do we have a bigger problem than $4-a-gallon gasoline?

Better to join with the U.S. House of Representatives, which voted 240 to 184 this spring to defeat a resolution saying simply that “climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for public health and welfare.” Propose your own physics; ignore physics altogether. Just don’t start asking yourself whether there might be some relation among last year’s failed grain harvest from the Russian heat wave, and Queensland’s failed grain harvest from its record flood, and France’s and Germany’s current drought-related crop failures, and the death of the winter wheat crop in Texas, and the inability of Midwestern farmers to get corn planted in their sodden fields. Surely the record food prices are just freak outliers, not signs of anything systemic.

It’s very important to stay calm. If you got upset about any of this, you might forget how important it is not to disrupt the record profits of our fossil fuel companies. If worst ever did come to worst, it’s reassuring to remember what the U.S. Chamber of Commerce told the Environmental Protection Agency in a recent filing: that there’s no need to worry because “populations can acclimatize to warmer climates via a range of behavioral, physiological, and technological adaptations.” I’m pretty sure that’s what residents are telling themselves in Joplin today.

Bill McKibben is founder of the global climate campaign 350.org and a distinguished scholar at Middlebury College in Vermont.

[brainpanhandler]

Right now there are people dying and losing their homes.

I kind of don't want to speculate on what is probably just the new normal as the planet gets more fucked up.

But here is something I'm wondering.

If you were in charge of the US and had weather modification capability what would you do right now? What possible use ould you put it too?

New Yorkifying the "small markets" by way of conspiracy gibberish that follows the supposedly "underground" channels and the small markets paved by the fucking right wing idiots who are now being publicly cut loose only to meet with destruction or fear of such.

Can you expand on this to the point where I might understand it, because it sounds interesting?

.

Guess not.

[wintler2]

Experts warn epic weather ravaging US could worsen

CHICAGO — Epic floods, massive wildfires, drought and the deadliest tornado season in 60 years are ravaging the United States, with scientists warning that climate change will bring even more extreme weather.

The human and economic toll over just the past few months has been staggering: hundreds of people have died, and thousands of homes and millions of acres have been lost at a cost estimated at more than $20 billion.

And the United States has not even entered peak hurricane season. ..

..More than 6.8 million acres in the central United States have been swamped after record spring rainfall overwhelmed rivers already swollen from the melting of a heavy winter snow pack.

Some levees burst under the pressure as the mighty Mississippi River swelled to more than three miles (nearly five kilometers) in width. Others were intentionally breached in order to ease pressure and protect cities downstream.

The latest flooding along the Missouri River has forced mass evacuations and threatened to inundate two nuclear power plants in Nebraska.

Meanwhile, the southern United States is dealing with one of the most extreme droughts since the dust bowl of the 1930s, and the dry conditions have led to massive and uncontrollable wildfires.

More than 4.7 million acres have been burned in some 32,000 separate fires so far this year, which is more than twice the annual average over the past decade, according to the National Interagency Fire Center.

Texas, Arizona and New Mexico have lost the most land, and one fire even spread to the grounds of the top US nuclear research lab on Monday. ..


Climate change could bring less tornadoes, because while a warmer atmosphere will absorb more precipitation, causing more storms, it could also reduce the wind shear that builds storm intensity when cold and warm fronts collide.

However, the intensity of future droughts, heat waves, storms and floods is expected to rise drastically if greenhouse gas emissions don't stabilize soon, said Michael Mann, a scientist at Penn State University.

"Even a couple degree warming can make a 100-year event a three-year event," Mann, the head of the university's earth systems science center, told AFP.

"It has to do with the tail of the bell curve. When you move the bell curve, that area changes dramatically." ..

[Gouda]

Fierce storm surprises Wis. campers, child killed

July 2, 2011

http://news.yahoo.com/fierce-storm-surp ... 40111.html

SIREN, Wis. (AP) — A fierce thunderstorm swept through a normally rural Wisconsin county that was packed with holiday campers, toppling trees that killed an 11-year-old girl, blowing ashore boats and injuring more than three dozen people, officials said Saturday.

The storm moved across Minnesota and Wisconsin on Friday, packing winds approaching 80 mph and hail as large as softballs. In northern Wisconsin's Burnett County, at least 37 people went to hospitals after the storm toppled hundreds of trees and left several thousand utility customers without power.

A search was underway Saturday along the St. Croix River for missing canoeists, the Wisconsin Emergency Management Office reported. Boats were upended and blown ashore in the area, while an airport hangar in neighboring Douglas County collapsed.

The storm came at one of the worst times of the year for rural Burnett County: a summer holiday weekend, when the area's lakes and rivers attract tens of thousands of visitors, said Julie Kittleson of the county's emergency response center.

"The population here is about 15,000. But this weekend there's probably about 80,000," she said of the county, which is about 90 miles northeast of Minneapolis.

Law enforcement reported the girl who died was killed when a tree fell on her at a campground in the country, though no other details have been released.

The storm moved into southwest Minnesota on Friday afternoon and took nearly six hours to pass through before slipping into northwest Wisconsin, said Matt Friedlein, a National Weather Service meteorologist. The bad weather had moved out by Saturday morning, when skies were clear and sunny with temperatures in the 80s.

Anita Frase, the owner of Bay Park Resort & Campground in Trego, said ]she and the resort's 300 visitors knew a storm was coming but they didn't expect it to hit so swiftly and with such intensity.

"About 9 o'clock the winds picked up and within five minutes it was upon us. Those were probably the darkest skies I've ever seen up here," she said, adding that the storm knocked down several trees, with some landing on vehicles. "A lot of people were very nervous. Some of the kids were crying."

Workers were also rattled at a Grantsburg store near the St. Croix River that rents canoes, kayaks and gear. Store clerk Aimee Van Tatenhove said the wind was so strong and loud that no one realized a medium-sized tree had fallen into the roof until employees went outside.

In Minnesota, a driver was injured when hail the size of a baseball hit a vehicle's windshield, said Meeker County Sheriff Jeff Norlin. Roofs were torn away in several towns.

"Some communities had multiple passes at this storm — including golfball-, baseball- and softball-sized hail," said McLeod County Emergency Management Director Kevin Mathews, who said two tractor-trailers were blown off local highways.

Two Minnesota state parks sustained tree damage so heavy that a conservation officer who was making sure no campers were in the area had to abandon his vehicle and hike through on foot, said Chris Niskanen of the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources.

He urged people to stay out of Camden State Park and St. Croix State Park, which are technically closed because of the state's government shutdown but could still attract campers because they're public land. He cautioned that some trees may have fallen over but gotten hung up on other trees.

"It's an issue of health and safety," he said. "Since those parks are closed they don't have the personnel to go in and remove (the trees). People need to know there's a danger if they start wandering around."

[wintler2]

Jeff Masters of Weather Underground
.. Never in my 30 years as a meteorologist have I witnessed a year like 2010--the astonishing number of weather disasters and unprecedented wild swings in Earth's atmospheric circulation were like nothing I've seen.

The pace of incredible extreme weather events in the U.S. over the past few months have kept me so busy that I've been unable to write-up a retrospective look at the weather events of 2010. But I've finally managed to finish, so fasten your seat belts for a tour through the top twenty most remarkable weather events of 2010. At the end, I'll reflect on what the wild weather events of 2010 and 2011 imply for our future. ..



-Earth's hottest year on record
-Most extreme winter Arctic atmospheric circulation on record; "Snowmageddon" results
-Arctic sea ice: lowest volume on record, 3rd lowest extent
-Record melting in Greenland, and a massive calving event
-Second most extreme shift from El Niño to La Niña
-Second worst coral bleaching year
-Wettest year over land
-Amazon rainforest experiences its 2nd 100-year drought in 5 years
...
see link for much more, images, links etc.

[brainpanhandler]

Wow. "In a sick way for us it's kind of paradise"

[brainpanhandler]