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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:08 pm

Oh wow, Colby(whom I personally believe was accidented for his involvement in exposing Franklin in 1996) mentions the word "the base" in relation to the fascist stay behind proxies?
Ive long viewed al Qaeda as controlled proxy windup toys of the globalists, rather than "falsely blamed" as the truthers posit(or "blowback" regiments as the left claims)

Remember Rumsfelds P2OG? (Propaganda Due Operation Gladio?)

Youd think thered be a modern documentary or movie about Strategy Of Tension. I mean...Western Intelligence, NATO, Italian government, Vatican banks all acting through a secret Masonic black lodge?
You cant make up this stuff!
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:44 am

vanlose kid wrote:*

(sort of OT) open question.

i was watching this this three-part 1992 BBC doc on Gladio recently:



One of Francovich's. Dead now, suspiciously, as they do.

all you old heads know the story obviously, but something jumped out at me.

W. Colby when talking about the stay-behinds in general uses the phrase "the base" three times. so i start wondering.


Hmm. Sinister context?

didn't "they" (collective) set up stay-behinds in the ME and FE after the retreat of Axis forces? gladio like units in Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Japan, etc.


Ganser was meant to do a follow-up on Gladio-like organisations in non-NATO countries like Switzerland and Austria. Turkey was in the first book, NATO's Secret Armies, and has received a lot of attention because of the Grey Wolves, Ali Agca and the Susurluk incident. I'm not aware of any of those other countries having stay-behinds per se, or as the French say "as such", but Egypt provided refuge for Skorzeny after the war, so there could be a link there, and Japan has it's various extreme nationalist secret societies. Also, the middle-East wasn't occupied by Axis forces, Turkey was neutral and only some sand in Egypt was occupied by the Nazis. Persia/Iran was briefly occupied by the British and Soviets the stop it going over to the other side, most of the ME was League of Nations mandates, under English or French rulership.

Adam Curtis has just put up a blog post about early-post-War "democratic" subversion of Syria: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2 ... water.html

Al-Qaeda means "The Base". they supposedly sprang up out of nowhere in the 70s?


They sprang from Henry Kissinger, now clearing out the augean stables in Zug or Zurich or wherever.

has any one written anything in this vein or looked into it? am i reading too much into a throwaway phrase?


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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby vanlose kid » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:07 am

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good stuff SM. cheers.

the ME not occupied by Axis forces, as in boots on the ground in great numbers, but i remember reading stuff way back about NatSocs in Baghdad, Persia, the Gulf, the Horn of Africa, etc., so they had agents and connects there. so it's entirely possible that they might have been recruited after the fall of Berlin and the post-war "decolonization" , right? i can't imagine the empire leaving it to chance.

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Stephen Morgan » Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:56 am

vanlose kid wrote:the ME not occupied by Axis forces, as in boots on the ground in great numbers, but i remember reading stuff way back about NatSocs in Baghdad, Persia, the Gulf, the Horn of Africa, etc., so they had agents and connects there. so it's entirely possible that they might have been recruited after the fall of Berlin and the post-war "decolonization" , right? i can't imagine the empire leaving it to chance.


Yes. There were long lasting German connections, see "On Secret Service East of Constantinople", for example. The Nazis got everywhere, weird little bands looting Tibet looking for the perfect proto-Aryan barley stock or roaming Africa grabbing skulls for the collections of skull-based physiognomy students.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Jun 24, 2011 3:41 am

Bin Laden courier in touch by cellphone with ISI backed militants
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43518985/ns ... ork_times/
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby 8bitagent » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:27 am

Pakistan cut off its bases for CIA drone use
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43587402/
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Aug 07, 2011 12:20 am

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And of course the latest and possibly most amazing turn, if true (the story keeps changing).

22 SEAL Team 6 members among those killed in Afghanistan
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:56 pm

Is Pakistan really limiting, let alone cutting off, the US drone attack program? I think this is more post-OBL theater.


http://counterpunch.org/porter08172011.html

August 17, 2011

Pakistani Military Steps Up
Veto Over the Drones


By GARETH PORTER


Pakistani civilian and military leaders are insisting on an effective veto over which targets U.S. drone strikes hit, according to well-informed Pakistani military sources here.

The sources, who met with IPS on condition that they not be identified, said that such veto power over the conduct of the drone war is a central element in a new Pakistani demand for a formal government-to-government agreement on the terms under which the United States and Pakistan will cooperate against insurgents in Pakistan.

The basic government-to-government agreement now being demanded would be followed, the sources said, by more detailed agreements between U.S. and Pakistani military leaders and intelligence agencies.

The new Pakistani demand for equal say over drone strikes marks the culmination of a long evolution in the Pakistani military's attitude toward the drone war. Initially supportive of strikes that were targeting Al-Qaeda leaders, senior Pakistani military leaders soon came to realise that the drone war carried serious risks for Pakistan's war against the Pakistani Taliban.

A key turning point in the attitude of the military was the unilateral U.S. decision to focus the drone war on those Pakistani insurgents who had already decided to make peace with the Pakistani government and who opposed the war being waged by Al-Qaeda and the Pakistani Taliban against the Pakistani military.

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) was allowed to run the drone war almost completely unilaterally for years, according to former Pakistani military leaders and diplomats, and the Pakistani military has only mustered the political will to challenge the U.S. power to carry out drone strikes unilaterally in recent months.

Gen. Pervez Musharraf allowed the drone strikes from 2004 to 2007 in order to ensure political support from the George W. Bush administration, something Musharraf had been denied during the Bill Clinton administration, Shamshad Ahmad, who was Pakistan's foreign secretary and then ambassador to the United Nations from 1997 to 2002, told IPS.


"Those were the days when we felt that we had to work with the Americans on Al-Qaeda," recalled Gen. Asad Durrani, a former director general of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence agency (ISI), in an interview with IPS.

The choice of targets "usually was done by the U.S. unilaterally", said Durrani. Two Pakistani generals confirmed that point in a separate interview with IPS.

The Musharraf regime even went so far as to provide cover for the drone strikes, repeatedly asserting after strikes that the explosions had been caused by the victims themselves making home-made bombs.

But that effort at transparent deception by the U.S. and Musharraf quickly fell apart when drone strikes were based on faulty intelligence and killed large numbers of civilians rather than Al- Qaeda leaders.

The worst such strike was an Oct. 30, 2006 drone attack on a madrassa in Chenagai village in Bajauer agency, which killed 82 people. Musharraf, who was primarily concerned with avoiding the charge of complicity in U.S. attacks on Pakistani targets, ordered the Pakistani military to take complete responsibility for the incident.

The spokesman for the Pakistani military claimed "confirmed intelligence reports that 70 to 80 militants were hiding in a madrassa used as a terrorist training facility" and said the Pakistani military had fired missiles at the madrassa.

But eyewitnesses in the village identified U.S. drones as the source of the attack and said all the victims were simply local students of the madrassa. Local people compiled a complete list of the names and ages of all 80 victims, showing that 25 of the dead had been aged seven to 15, which was published in the Lahore daily The News International.

Senior military officers believed the CIA had other reasons for launching the strike in Bajaur. The day before the drone attack, tribal elders in Bajaur had held a public meeting to pledge their willingness to abide by a peace accord with the government, and the government had released nine tribesmen, including some militants.

Former ISI chief Durrani recalled that the strike "effectively sabotaged the chances for an agreement" in Bejaur. That was "a very clear message" from the CIA not to enter into any more such peace agreements, Durrani told IPS.

The Bejaur madrassa strike was a turning point for many officers. "So many of us went in and said this is stupid," Durrani recalled.

When Musharraf was pressured to step down as Army chief of staff, and was replaced by Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani in November 2007, the unilateral character of the CIA's drone war "pretty much continued", according to Gen. Jehanger Karamat, who was ambassador to the United States from 2004 to 2006 after having retired as Army chief of staff in 1998.

The CIA's drone war became more contentious in 2008, as the Bush administration concentrated the strikes on those who had made peace with the Pakistani government. Two-thirds of the drone strikes that year were on targets associated with Jalaluddin Haqqani and Mullah Nazeer, both of whom were involved in supporting Taliban forces in Afghanistan, but who opposed attacks on the Pakistani government.

Targeting the Haqqani network and his allies posed serious risks for Pakistan. When the Pakistani Army was fighting in South Waziristan, it had its logistic base in an area that was controlled by the Haqqani group, and it had been able to count on the security of that base.

Meanwhile, ISI had given the CIA accurate information on anti- Pakistan Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud's location on four occasions, but the U.S. had failed to target him, according to a May 2009 column by retired Pakistani Gen. Shaukat Qadir.

In 2009, more of the drone strikes - almost 40 percent of the total - focused on the Taliban under Mehsud, and Mehsud himself was killed, which tended to mollify the Pakistani military.

But that effect did not last long. In 2010, only three strikes were aimed at Mehsud's anti-Pakistan Taliban organisation, while well over half the strikes were against Hafiz Gul Bahadur, an ally of Haqqani who had signed an agreement with the Pakistani government in September 2006 that he would not shelter any anti-Pakistani militants.

The Barack Obama administration had made a deliberate decision around mid-2010 that it didn't care if targeting the Haqqani network and other pro-Pakistani Taliban groups upset the Pakistanis, as the Wall Street Journal reported Oct. 23, 2010.

But two events caused Pakistani army chief Kayani to demand a fundamental change in U.S. policy toward the drone war.

The first was the arrest of CIA operative Raymond Davis on the charge of killing two Pakistanis in cold blood in January, which was followed by intense U.S. pressure for his release.

The second was a drone strike on Mar. 17, just one day after Davis was released, which was initially reported to have been an attack on a gathering of Haqqani network officials.

It turned out that the drone attack had killed dozens of tribal and sub-tribal elders who had gathered from all over North Waziristan to discuss an economic issue.

A former U.S. official admitted that the strike was carried out because the CIA was "angry" over the fact that Davis had been kept in prison for seven weeks. "It was retaliation for Davis," the official said, according to an Aug. 2 Associated Press story.

That strike helped galvanise the Pakistani military leadership. ISI chief Shuja Pasha took it as a slap in the face, because he had personally intervened to get Davis out of jail. Kayani shocked the Americans by issuing the first denunciation of drone strikes by an Army chief.

When Pasha went to Washington in April, he took with him the first official Pakistani demand for an equal say in drone strike decisions.


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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:58 pm

Interesting development.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/world ... nted=print

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September 22, 2011

Mullen Asserts Pakistani Role in Attack on U.S. Embassy

By ELISABETH BUMILLER and JANE PERLEZ


WASHINGTON — Pakistan’s intelligence agency aided the insurgents who attacked the American Embassy in Kabul last week, Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the Senate on Thursday.

In comments that were the first to directly link Pakistan’s powerful spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, with an assault on the United States, Admiral Mullen went further than any other American official in blaming the ISI for undermining the American military effort in Afghanistan. The United States has long said that the ISI has close links to Afghan insurgents, particularly the Haqqani network, but no one has been as blunt as Admiral Mullen.

Admiral Mullen is to retire at the end of this month, and coming from him the statements carried exceptional weight. He has been the American military official who has led the effort for years to improve cooperation with the Pakistanis.


Same paragraph still, reporting ends next sentence is boilerplate.

But relations have reached a nadir since American commandoes killed Osama bin Laden deep inside Pakistan in May. Pakistani officials were not told of the raid in advance, and questions remain about whether Pakistani intelligence was sheltering the Qaeda leader.

The attack on the American embassy, and ISI support for the Haqqani network — which also forms one of the most lethal parts of the insurgency attacking American forces in Afghanistan — is the latest point of tension.

Pakistan’s intelligence agency has supported the Haqqanis as a way to extend Pakistani influence in Afghanistan. On Thursday Admiral Mullen made clear that support extended to increasingly high-profile attacks aimed directly at the United States.

“With ISI support, Haqqani operatives planned and conducted that truck bomb attack, as well as the assault on our embassy,” Admiral Mullen told members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. “We also have credible evidence that they were behind the June 28th attack against the Inter-Continental Hotel in Kabul and a host of other smaller but effective operations.”

In short, he said, “the Haqqani network acts as a veritable arm of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Agency.”

The truck bomb attack that Admiral Mullen referred to occurred at a NATO outpost south of Kabul on Sept. 10, when a cargo vehicle packed with explosives killed at least five people and wounded 77 coalition troops. The injury toll was one of the worst for foreign forces in a single episode in the 10-year-old war.

It is unclear what steps American officials are prepared to take against the Haqqanis, but the increasingly strong public statements have made clear that taking on the group has become a more urgent priority as the United States looks to withdraw from Afghanistan and leave a stable country and viable government behind.

On Thursday the Pakistani Interior Minister, Rehman Malik, said his government would “not allow” an American operation aimed at the Haqqani network in North Waziristan.

Mr. Malik seemed to indicate that Obama administration officials had threatened Tuesday in their meetings in Washington with the head of Pakistan’s intelligence agency, Maj. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, that American troops were prepared to cross the border from Afghanistan into North Waziristan to attack the Haqqani militants.

“The Pakistan nation will not allow the boots on our ground, never,” Mr. Malik said in an interview with Reuters. “Our government is already co operating with the U.S. — but they also must respect our sovereignty.”

In a meeting in Islamabad Wednesday with the head of the F.B.I., Robert Mueller, Mr. Malik said that the Haqqani network was not present in Pakistan, a statement that American officials said they found disingenuous.

In his remarks to Pakistani reporters Wednesday, Mr. Malik said that if the United States provided information on the whereabouts of the Haqqani network in Pakistan, Pakistani “law enforcement” would go after them.


Let's admonish this guy, shall we?

In making such claims, Mr. Malik was ignoring several years of effort by senior American military officials and diplomats to convince the Pakistani army to launch operations against the Haqqani militants who are centered around Miran Shah, the main town in North Waziristan.

The Pakistani army has a base in North Waziristan situated not far from compounds of the Haqqani network.

Since the attack on the American embassy in Kabul, Pakistani military officials have told Pakistani reporters that it is up to the Americans to deal with the Haqqani fighters inside Afghanistan.

The Pakistanis argue they do not have sufficient troops in North Waziristan to take on the Haqqanis. But aside from the main Pakistani objective of keeping the Haqqanis as a pro-Pakistani force in a post war Afghanistan, some Pakistani military experts say the Pakistani army is reluctant to fight the Haqqanis because there was concern the army would not prevail against them.

No decisions had been made on what actions the Obama administration might take against the Haqqani network in North Waziristan, a senior American official said Thursday.

The options would be discussed at a National Security Council meeting at the White House Monday, he said.

Admiral Mullen testified alongside Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, who told the committee that the attack on the embassy and the assassination this week of Burhanuddin Rabbani, the leader of Afghanistan’s High Peace Council and a former Afghan president, were “a sign of weakness in the insurgency.” He cast the attacks as signs that the Taliban had shifted to high-profile targets in an effort to disrupt the progress the American military has made.

“Over all, we judge this change in tactics to be a result of a shift in momentum in our favor,” Mr. Panetta said.

No one has yet claimed responsibility for the attack on Mr. Rabbani.

Despite his optimistic remarks about American progress, Mr. Panetta said the American military had a difficult job ahead and had to do better in preventing the insurgents from carrying out raids like the one on the embassy. “While overall violence in Afghanistan is trending down — and down substantially in areas where we concentrated the surge — we must be more effective in stopping these attacks and limiting the ability of insurgents to create perceptions of decreasing security,” Mr. Panetta said.

The hearing, called by the panel to review American military policy in Iraq and Afghanistan, was the first for Mr. Panetta as defense secretary.

Like Mr. Panetta, Admiral Mullen sought to cast the recent attacks in Afghanistan in the best possible light. “We must not attribute more weight to these attacks than they deserve,” Admiral Mullen said. “They are serious and significant, but they do not represent a sea change in the odds of military success.”

Admiral Mullen voiced a stern warning to Pakistan, who he said was undermining its own interests as well as the American interest in fighting terror networks in the region.

“In choosing to use violent extremism as an instrument of policy, the government of Pakistan, and most especially the Pakistani army and ISI, jeopardizes not only the prospect of our strategic partnership but Pakistan’s opportunity to be a respected nation with legitimate regional influence,” he said. “They may believe that by using these proxies, they are hedging their bets or redressing what they feel is an imbalance in regional power. But in reality, they have already lost that bet.

“By exporting violence, they’ve eroded their internal security and their position in the region. They have undermined their international credibility and threatened their economic well-being.”

But he said he did not believe he had wasted his time by pouring so much effort into improving ties with Pakistan’s government.

“I’ve done this because I believe that a flawed and difficult relationship is better than no relationship at all,” he said. “Some may argue I’ve wasted my time, that Pakistan is no closer to us than before, and may now have drifted even further away. I disagree. Military cooperation again is warming.”

Jane Perlez reported from Islamabad, Pakistan.


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Oh, and this is as good a place as any to copy in Greenwald's spectacular new rule of thumb for understanding the Times (though not directly relevant above).

Mr. Greenwald in explaining the 'Geithner Mystery' wrote:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn ... index.html

SNIP

Geithner wasn't chosen and hasn't remained despite being "associated with the deregulatory policies of the past" and despite being the bankers' "man in Washington." [As a reviewer of Suskind's latest book wrote.] He is empowered precisely because of those facts, as was pointed out even before Obama's inauguration. That Geithner and Summers were empowered after enabling the financial crisis through Wall Street subservience isn't a mystery; it's the explanation. (And just by the way, replacing the word "despite" with the phrase "because of" is -- in general -- one of the most valuable tools for translating Washington propaganda into reality; here is an excellent example showing how that works, from the first paragraph of a New York Times article two weeks ago:


Documents found at the abandoned office of Libya’s former spymaster appear to provide new details of the close relations the Central Intelligence Agency shared with the Libyan intelligence service -- most notably suggesting that the Americans sent terrorism suspects at least eight times for questioning in Libya despite that country's reputation for torture.


Note how the paragraph instantly transforms from misleading nonsense into obvious truth simply by changing "despite" to "because of"; this repeatedly is an effective instrument for deciphering propaganda -- e.g., the U.S. continues to brutalize people in the Muslim world "despite" the fact that doing so produces more Terrorism and thus ensures Endless War.)
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:39 pm

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(cross-post here and in the Afpak thread)

Kabuki may be over now.

In the aftermath of the US strike from Afghanistan on a Pakistani border post, killing dozens of soldiers.


http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.as ... in-15-days

US given 15 days to close Shamsi airbase

Updated 11 hours ago

ISLAMABAD: The Federal Cabinet's Defence Committee on Saturday ordered the United States to vacate the Shamsi airbase within 15 days and closed NATO supply lines into Afghanistan in response to a deadly cross-border NATO air strike.

The military’s top brass including CJSC, COAS and the Naval and Air Force chiefs attended the meeting.

The meeting was also attended by the Interior, Defence, Foreign, Information and Finance Ministers while senior minister Pervaiz Elahi and the secretary defence were also in attendance.

The Defence Committee that met under the chairmanship of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, hours after the Nato strike in Pakistan that killed 24 troops, categorically said that attacks on Pakistan check posts were unacceptable.

It was also decided that the Prime Minister would take the Parliament into confidence on Pak-US relations. Parliament will also be taken into confidence over the shape of Pakistan's future relations with Nato and ISAF.

Condemning the Nato attack, the committee said that the strike violated international laws.

The defence body said no compromise would be made on the sovereignty and protection of the country. "People and army will ensure Pakistan's sovereignty and integrity at any cost."

It termed the attacks on Pakistan check posts as completely unacceptable and rejected the labeling of today's event as accidental.




Google News, 11/26/11

Pakistan Tells US to 'Vacate' Air Base as Border Strike Inflames Tensions
Fox News - ‎40 minutes ago‎
AP Pakistan's government has ordered the US to "vacate" an air base used for suspected drone attacks, in retaliation for a NATO strike that allegedly killed two-dozen Pakistani soldiers, Fox News has confirmed.

NATO Strikes Kill Pakistani Forces, Raising Tensions
New York Times

Pakistan stops NATO supplies after deadly raid
Reuters

Highly Cited:Nato: 'Highly likely' we caused Pakistan troop deaths [ORLY?]
BBC News

From Pakistan:
Pakistan to have US close Shamsi airbase within 15 days
The News International

Opinion:
Should Australia pull its troops out of Afghanistan?
[What, 5 minutes after the US stuck its troops in Australia?]

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:26 pm

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Thanks Weather Balloons.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/fe ... assination

Health workers linked to CIA's Osama bin Laden assassination plot are sacked

Punishments handed out to 17 low-ranking health department employees for unwittingly helping CIA

Seventeen local health workers have been fired in Abbottabad for their part in a CIA scheme to try to confirm the presence of Osama bin Laden in the northern Pakistani town.

The low-ranking health department employees were punished for helping Dr Shakil Afridi, who was assigned by the CIA to set up a fake vaccination scheme in Abbottabad, ahead of the 3 May US military operation that found and killed the al-Qaida leader there.

In July last year, the Guardian revealed that Afridi was hired by the American spy agency, which was trying to establish whether Bin Laden was living inside a compound to which it had tracked an al-Qaida "courier".

Afridi used unwitting local health visitors to go house to house to vaccinate Abbottabad residents for hepatitis B, with the aim of getting inside the suspected Bin Laden home and extracting DNA from one of his children. The al-Qaida leader had habitually lived with many members of his large family even while on the run. The scheme, apparently unsuccessful, was run in the weeks before the 3 May raid.

The fate of Afridi, who was arrested by the Pakistan military's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency in late May last year, and remains in their custody, has added to a break-down in relations between Washington and Islamabad. American officials are pressing Pakistan to free Afridi, to allow him to travel to the US, where he would be resettled. However, he faces possible treason charges at home for working for a foreign intelligence agency.

The sacked health workers would have known nothing of the true purpose of the vaccination programme. They include all the 15 of the women health workers employed in Nawa Sher, the district of Abbottabad where Bin Laden had lived, plus two more senior health officials in the town. Among the fired employees is a nurse known as Bakhto, whose full name is Mukhtar Bibi. She is believed to have got inside the bin Laden compound with the vaccination programme.

Afridi was a senior health official posted in a part of the tribal area, far from Abbottabad, which was way outside his jurisdiction. He travelled to Abbottabad and used the health workers there without the knowledge of the senior Abbottabad administration.

Zafeer Ahmed, in charge of health services for Abbottabad, said that the 17 were dismissed for breaking the rules.

"There was negligence as these workers did not have permission from the provincial government or the health department to work with Shakil Afridi," said Ahmed. "I was ordered by the provincial government to take action against them."

A provincial government inquiry into the affair is on-going and higher ranking health officials could be disciplined in future.

No Pakistani official has been held responsible for failing to detect Bin Laden's presence in the country.

The sacked women health workers would be paid little but would probably have been dependent on government employment to make ends meet for their families.

The CIA scheme, as well as having grave consequences for Afridi, and now triggering the dismissal of health officials, has damaged vaccination programmes throughout Pakistan, including for polio, as it greatly added to wild rumours that the medicines are actually an American conspiracy to sterilise Pakistanis.

Afridi was earlier this month reportedly removed from his post, while his wife was separately dismissed from her government job, running a girls' college in the north west.

In January this year, the former CIA chief, Leon Panetta, now the US Defence Secretary, publicly called for Afridi's release, acknowledging his role for the first time in the hunt for Bin Laden. American officials believe that Afridi should be lauded for his services, not punished.

"I am very concerned about what the Pakistanis did with this individual [Afridi]. This was an individual who, in fact, helped provide intelligence that was very helpful with regard to this operation," Panetta had said.



Weather Balloons wrote:Nothing to see here. Move along. Bin Laden is dead. The CIA involvement has been thoroughly investigated and dealt with accordingly. Vaccinations are completely safe. Everything is under control. You may now continue shopping.


"Unwittingly"?! If so, WTF?

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Weather Balloons » Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:57 am

Thanks for posting this here Jack, lots of good info in this thread. Looks like I've got some reading to catch up on this weekend.
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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:40 am

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Last couple of weeks this topic has continued in a new thread started by seemslikeadream:

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WikiLeaks Email: Bin Laden’s Corpse Not Dumped at Sea

Stratfor Claims Osama's Body Brought to US

by Jason Ditz, March 04, 2012


In May of last year, the US killing of Osama bin Laden was immediately followed by debate over the disposal of his corpse. The Obama Administration claimed bin Laden was put in a bag and hurled into the sea, which it insisted was “in keeping with Islamic practices,” whereas some were calling for his body to be kept around so it could be overtly desecrated.

WikiLeaks’s release of Stratfor emails, however, shows that the company’s Vice President Fred Burton did not believe that was the case, and told members of the company’s mailing list that bin Laden’s corpse was “Dover bound,” referring to the Dover Air Force Base which is also the site to which US soldiers slain overseas are brought.

Another email from Burton said bin Laden’s body was “bound for Dover, DE on CIA plane” and “onward to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Bethesda.” Technically this would have meant the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, since the AFIP operations were folded into Walter Reed as part of a consolidation plan.

If confirmed, this revelation would be significant for a number of reasons, including the Obama Administration’s repeated claims to the American public that the body was disposed of at sea. It would add yet more intrigue to Dover Air Force Base, already under enormous scrutiny for its mishandling of corpses and disposal of remains at a Virginia landfill.


Which led to this marvelous exchange:

Jeff wrote:I don't doubt it. But it makes me wonder what they would want with it.


seemslikeadream wrote:Image


Also, did we have this one here already?

82_28 wrote:We get the WSJ at work and would have totally missed this story I read the other day, were I not bored at one point in the day.

Bin Laden's House Demolished by Pakistan Authorities

Pakistan authorities on Saturday night demolished the three-story house in Abbottabad where Osama bin Laden lived for years and died last May during a raid by U.S. Navy SEALs in an apparent bid to stop it becoming a tourist site or shrine for al Qaeda supporters.

An Abbottabad resident said Sunday that diggers were removing rubble.

After the raid that killed bin Laden, Pakistan was left with a choice of whether to demolish the house or to manage it as a tourist attraction.

By deciding to demolish it, Pakistan authorities have followed a course taken by Germany, which for years didn't mark Adolf Hitler's bunker after his death to avoid it attracting neo-Nazis.

Immediately after the midnight raid that killed bin Laden, hundreds of local tourists came to look at the house in Abbottabad, a pleasant town ringed by Himalayan foothills about 30 miles northeast of Islamabad, and to collect parts of the downed U.S. Black Hawk that crashed during the sortie.

But soon afterward, Pakistan's military intelligence posted operatives in the area around the clock to stop journalists and tourists from getting close to the house.

During the U.S. raid, Navy SEALs carried off boxes of material from the house, including al Qaeda files. A U.S. official said Pakistan didn't consult Washington about its decision to demolish the house. Relations between the two countries have reached breaking point since a U.S. helicopter raid in November that mistakenly killed 24 Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border. Pakistani officials have not commented on their reason to knock down the complex.

The compound, which was largely hidden behind a large perimeter wall, was an embarrassment for the Pakistan government. It was located in an area of similar houses, bounded by fields of rice and other crops, only a few miles from Pakistan's premier military academy and in a garrison town thick with retired military personnel.

The location of the house raised questions among U.S. officials about how bin Laden was able to live there for five years without raising suspicions. Until now, however, the U.S. has stated it has found no evidence that Pakistan's military or government helped shelter the former al Qaeda leader.

Pakistan's military was humiliated by the unilateral U.S. raid on its territory, of which it was given no forewarning. The army's leaders perhaps also saw the house as an unwanted reminder of an event which hurt its image with many Pakistanis.

Immediately after the raid, local officials were split on what to do with the house. Some local government officials said they hoped it would become a permanent attraction and help bring more tourists through the town, which relies largely on a large military presence to drive its economy. Other locals at the time said it should be destroyed to end any association between Abbottabad and bin Laden.

While opinion polls show most Pakistanis are now opposed to al Qaeda, which in recent years has launched a number of strikes against Pakistan government, military and civilian targets, some people in Pakistan still admire bin Laden for his role in fighting Soviet troops in Afghanistan in the 1980s and for attacking the U.S. on Sept. 11, 2001.

In the end, the decision to demolish the house was likely taken by Pakistan's powerful Inter-Services Intelligence directorate military spy agency.

The house legally belonged to a Pakistani man who worked as bin Laden's courier and was killed along with his brother in the raid.

Local land records showed a man believed to be the courier purchased land for the house from four sellers for a total of around $50,000 in 2004 and 2005.

Local property dealers valued the compound, which included a three-story whitewashed house with a garden and a large connected area for grazing animals, at around $300,000.

Perhaps in the future, Pakistan officials will mark the site of the house with a plaque so it is not lost to history.

For more than 60 years, German authorities kept the exact location of the bunker in Berlin where Hitler committed suicide in 1945 concealed from the public. But in 2006, before an influx of tourists for the soccer World Cup, authorities erected a plaque marking the spot of the bunker.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 51284.html

In'trestin' timing. . .


I have to agree with the overall assessment that most of what Stratfor claims is bullshit. I thought that just from their newsletters, a compendium out of the US foreign-policy hawk storybook sprinkled with 11th-grade geography.

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Re: Black Box OBL

Postby Aldebaran » Wed May 23, 2012 9:57 am

Doctor who ran fake CIA vaccination drive to find Osama bin Laden is jailed
Shakil Afridi faces 33 years in jail in Pakistan despite calls from senior US officials to release him
The Pakistani medical official who ran a fake CIA vaccination programme to help find Osama bin Laden has been jailed for 33 years.

A spokesman for Khyber Agency, an administrative unit in Pakistan's restless frontier, said Dr Shakil Afridi would face decades in jail – despite calls from senior US officials to release the man who helped with efforts to track down the al-Qaida chief.

The tough sentence for the former surgeon general of Khyber will be taken as another sign of the terrible state of US-Pakistan relations.

And it will further alarm western critics of Pakistan who say the country has put far more effort into trying to understand how US spies and special forces were able to plan and launch the Bin Laden raid than into how the al-Qaida leader was able to remain for so long in the Pakistani army garrison town of Abbottabad.

The sentence was announced just days after Barack Obama snubbed the Pakistani president, Asif Ali Zardari, by refusing to hold a formal meeting with him at the Nato conference in Chicago.

In January Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, said he was "very concerned" about the arrest of Afridi after Pakistan's intelligence service discovered he had set up a fake hepatitis B vaccination scheme with his nurses going from house to house in Abbottabad in the weeks before the raid on Bin Laden's hideout in May last year.

"For them to take this kind of action against somebody who was helping to go after terrorism, I just think it is a real mistake on their part," Panetta said in January.

There had been hopes that Afridi would eventually be quietly released after the controversy surrounding the Bin Laden raid had subsided.

US intelligence officials say the clandestine operation by Afridi did not succeed in determining whether Bin Laden was in the house and the raid went ahead without any certainty that the Navy Seal team would find its target.

However, Pakistani security officials recently told the Guardian that although the nurses working for Afridi were not allowed inside the house to vaccinate any of the children, they did succeed in getting a mobile phone number for someone in the house.

The Pakistani sources say that phone call allowed the CIA to make a voice match to Bin Laden's private courier, a man known as Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti.

US aid groups have complained that the bogus vaccination operation undermined their efforts "to eradicate polio, provide critical health services, and extend life-saving assistance during times of crisis" in Pakistan. The ruse may have fuelled fears, backed by religious extremists, that polio drops are a western conspiracy to sterilise the population.

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