Las Vegas Shooting Spree, June 2014

[Asta]

Earlier today I ran across the story of the Port Arthur Massacre that occurred in 1996 in Tasmania. I vaguely remember what happened, even reading a lot of material hasn't really triggered any vivid memories of this incident. The irony of this is that Australia passed sweeping gun control laws, with a massive government buyback of firearms (over 600,000) and public support of the new strict gun laws was overwhelmingly in favor of the new laws. It's an interesting story with its own conspiracy theories that I found quite intriguing.

So what does that say about our society when little children are gunned down in an elementary school and nothing changes? As an earlier member pointed out, there have been like 74 more school shootings since Newtown. Are we like all anesthetized or something?

As an afterthought: Whenever we are confronted with so called "conspiracy theories", it often helps to ask the question, "Who gains?"

[Hunter]

And even more interesting, Asta, is if you look at all gun legislation SINCE SANDY HOOK, you will see it is overwhelmingly PRO GUN as opposed to being more strict. Explain that one, it is a fact.

As Drew, myself and others have pointed out, they do not want to disarm the population, in fact the evidence suggests they are working to actually put more guns on the street. The objective seems to be to encourage civil disorder so that they can continue to clamp down in other ways that are much easier and less controversial and more effective than disarmament. These spree shootings are helping them accomplish this.

Disarmament would be a nightmare for them in America, guns are too much a part of our tradition and culture, they define who we are as a nation. So what you do is just put more guns on the street, create an environment where spree shootings become more and more common and then crack down in other ways that are easier and more effective and less controversial than disarmament like militarizing the police, NSA Surveillance and other police state type measures. There is no need to take guns away when the people willingly allow you to do those sort of things.

[8bitagent]

And even more interesting, Asta, is if you look at all gun legislation SINCE SANDY HOOK, you will see it is overwhelmingly PRO GUN as opposed to being more strict. Explain that one, it is a fact.

As Drew, myself and others have pointed out, they do not want to disarm the population, in fact the evidence suggests they are working to actually put more guns on the street. The objective seems to be to encourage civil disorder so that they can continue to clamp down in other ways that are much easier and less controversial and more effective than disarmament. These spree shootings are helping them accomplish this.

Disarmament would be a nightmare for them in America, guns are too much a part of our tradition and culture, they define who we are as a nation. So what you do is just put more guns on the street, create an environment where spree shootings become more and more common and then crack down in other ways that are easier and more effective and less controversial than disarmament like militarizing the police, NSA Surveillance and other police state type measures. There is no need to take guns away when the people willingly allow you to do those sort of things.

I agree 100% Hunter. A few years ago someone on here floated the hypothesis of..what if instead of the goofy right wing theory of the powers that be wanting to "take away the guns"...there's somehow an agenda to flood America with guns. Afterall, gun sales rose 400% in just one year after Obama's election and subsequently AFTER each major mass shooting like Batman or Sandy Hook(with fear peddlers like Alex Jones telling people the gub'ment gonna snatch their firearms)

I've long posited a theory that the "next 9/11" won't be a literal terror bombing or some mini nuke as some people think...but a series of increasingly crazy Beslan styled shocking gun events or a single shocking incident
to incite race riots and or riling up the Clive Owen open carry militia types. Like if you have something that creates an explosive LA riot type reaction and then sets off the Tea Party types.

[Hunter]

I think it was you and I who floated that idea, I remember having that very discussion with you a few years ago, we were talking about how its sure looked like they were flooding the streets with guns not trying to take them away, in fact you and I had that dicussion right after James Holmes a few months after I joined here. I remember it now. That seems more and more true every passing day.

I think you may not be far off the mark with that theory, sure seems to be headed in that direction exactly.

[American Dream]

Monday, June 9, 2014

"This is the start of a revolution..."




http://visupview.blogspot.com/2014/06/t ... ution.html

[JackRiddler]

[8bitagent]

Pretty much. How are mass shootings not considered terrorism?(Unless it's Nadal Hasan at Ft Bragg)
It's funny, the powers that be and media said post 9/11 to expect endless Islamic jihad terror attacks on the homefront. Instead its been mostly an
endless string of homegrown white non Muslim attacks using guns.

Now what's really insane is that arguably one of the most brazen and deadly terror attacks in the West since 9/11 was committed by an anti Muslim neo Nazi Christian blonde haired
guy, killing 77 after blowing up part of the government and downtown and then ending up at an island where he killed a bunch of teenagers.

This naturally was called a terrorist attack right away....but assumed to be the work of "al Qaeda" or al Qaeda inspired jihadis. When, it turned out no, it was by a lone
white Christian nut, boy did that tune change...it morphed into being a terror attack to "attack by a deranged man"

[elfismiles]

Las Vegas gunman killed by police, not wife, authorities say
By Alexia Shurmur
LAS VEGAS Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:21pm EDT

A combination photo shows Jerad Miller (L) and Amanda Miller in undated handout photos obtained by Reuters June 9, 2014.
Credit: Reuters/Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department/Handout via Reuters

(Reuters) - A gunman who was part of a husband-wife team who killed two Las Vegas police officers in a weekend pizza restaurant ambush was shot and killed by police, not by his wife in a murder-suicide as first stated by authorities, police said on Wednesday.

The couple, who police said harbored anti-government and white supremacist views, gunned down the two policemen as they ate lunch on Sunday, then made their way to a nearby Walmart store where they killed an armed bystander who tried to stop them, authorities have said.

Las Vegas police initially said that the couple - wounded and surrounded by police - had died in an apparent murder-suicide after the wife, 22-year-old Amanda Miller, shot her husband multiple times before turning the gun on herself.

But police said on Wednesday that 31-year-old Jerad Miller was killed by police, and cited as a source of possible confusion surveillance footage that appeared to show Amanda Miller raise her gun toward her husband just after he was shot. Amanda Miller shot herself seconds later, they said.

"His death was ruled a homicide as a result of police gunfire," Assistant Clark County Sheriff Kevin McMahill told a news conference.

McMahill said three responding officers had fired their weapons during the standoff, but police do not yet know which officer was responsible for Jerad Miller's death.

According to police, the Millers had cooperated with Nevada law enforcement twice this year to provide witness testimony, but detectives did not receive any indication that the couple had anti-police sentiments.

Information about the suspects gleaned from police and social media painted a picture of a pair with increasingly extremist views on law enforcement, culminating in a Facebook post a day before the shooting warning of the "dawn of a new day."

Investigators have not yet found any links between the couple and extremist groups, and McMahill said police believe the pair, married in Indiana in 2012, worked alone.

Police said the Millers had expressed support in social media for renegade Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, whose property was the scene of a high-profile April standoff between federal agents and Bundy supporters over a forced round-up of his cattle from public land.

The Bundy family said on Tuesday the Millers were at the protest site for a few days but were asked to leave after other demonstrators expressed concern about Jerad's "aggressive nature and volatility."


(Editing by Cynthia Johnston and Will Dunham)


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/ ... 9K20140611

[Hunter]

Whoa, so they were some sort of informant/witness to what exactly. Interesting find Smiles.

[elfismiles]

Whoa, so they were some sort of informant/witness to what exactly. Interesting find Smiles.

Thanks Hunter ... hat tip goes to Jack Blood: http://deadlinelive.info/2014/06/19/las ... nformants/

[JackRiddler]

hmmm...

[SonicG]

This article has this about being witnesses:

Jerad’s angry call to Indiana’s Bureau of Motor Vehicles was considered a threat and prompted one of three inter­actions with Las Vegas police before last Sunday’s rampage. The officer who interviewed him apparently didn’t find a threat warranting prosecution. Nor did officers who twice interviewed the couple as witnesses to crimes involving friends and neighbors express any concern about them.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/bundy ... -their-own
Some other interesting tidbits there also...

[Hunter]

Yes I posted about that upthread, he had called the DMV and told them that he would shoot and kill anyone who tried to take his drives license away. The cops were sent to his house and nothing further came of it as far as we know. Could they have been recruited at that point? Maybe, seems far fetched but who knows anymore how this shit works.