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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:01 pm

Here's a relevant portion from the link above:

Once out of prison, Robertson’s life apparently changed course. He adopted the teknonym “Abu Taubah” (a reference to a passage of the Quran dealing with repentance for sins), became an imam, and, according to his own account, worked periodically as a covert operative for the CIA and FBI. Robertson, who had previously served in the U.S. Marine Corps, claims to have been a government operative for several years over the past decade, helping conduct domestic terrorism investigations as well as foreign “espionage” operations. The U.S. government, according to a defense memorandum, “acknowledges that Robertson has provided extensive assistance to the authorities.”

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In a 2012 lawsuit Robertson filed from jail — ultimately dismissed on grounds of being improperly filed — Robertson claimed to have been targeted by the government for malicious prosecution after refusing to conduct an overseas operation requested by the CIA. In a suit filed against the prosecuting attorney in his case, then-Attorney General Eric Holder, as well as against eight FBI agents whom he specified by name, Robertson alleged that for many years after his 1991 arrest, he worked as an informant for both the FBI and CIA, until a dispute in 2007 led to a falling out with both agencies. Robertson alleges the government then began seeking legal retribution against him, culminating in his entrapment and malicious prosecution on gun possession and tax charges.

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https://theintercept.com/2015/06/09/abu-taubah-case/
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby FourthBase » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:12 pm

I kind of get the feeling that the fact that we know so much about Robertson's history with the spooks argues against him still being an instrument of theirs. Or, conversely, it's totally the perfect cover for still being on their team or under their control. But I'm leaning toward the former. Just way too much information about way too public a feud. The falling out, and consequently his jihadism, seems genuine to me, on the face of it, so far.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:38 pm

Video from inside the club:

"Amanda Alvear, a victim of the massacre, shot the Snapchat video."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN_x1HUaYPQ

Slightly longer version?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJKmxqCPdfw

Another video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B72-ouRzeMs

Longer version of the above video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s5OEYL6kUE
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:48 pm

ORLANDO SHOOTING DAD A LONGTIME CIA ASSET
Posted on June 13, 2016 by Daniel Hopsicker
http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/06/13/or ... cia-asset/
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby backtoiam » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:51 pm

elf that is the same vid i referenced earlier when i said it looked like a camera from 1950 technology. Thanx for posting that elf because I was too lazy to do it.

That is the best we have? Really? Perhaps up to 300 people are trapped in a room for three hours with a dude shooting bullets. People are scrambling all over the place trying to find a place to to hide.

Also supposedly they are tweeting their ass off and sending out facebook stuff. But somehow no video comes out in a video quality that can show us what is happening.

I did video editing for a living for a while. I know how this shit works. A damn Iphone has great video quality and that is all we have? Seriously? I'm not buying it. Not yet.

I need to see people crawling out the doors full of bullet holes bleeding all over the sidewalk. I also want to see it from multiple sources and independent victims which we still have not met....yet....

I want to hear hollering and screaming and yelling and bloody people crawling alllll over the place. (actually I don't want to see that, but I think yall understand what I mean, hopefully)

The evidence is lacking on this deal. Also the mainstream news is only banging, banging, banging, banging, and banging on LGBT and Clinton and Trump? Where in the hell are all these dozens and dozens and dozens of victims and witnesses?

We have not seen them and we will not see them because they do not exist.

Having said that I will say this..........in the future this will probably become more sophisticated. Green screen technology is a wonder. No doubt. I have created many things with green screen technology. As this intensifies we might, maybe, see more witnesses, better drama, etc....

The lack of details on these HUGE events is TELLING..............
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Nordic » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:54 pm

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_575e4 ... d23ca879bb

Obama Warned Two Weeks Ago That Something Like The Orlando Shooting Could Happen
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Nordic » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:58 pm

backtoiam » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:51 pm wrote:elf that is the same vid i referenced earlier when i said it looked like a camera from 1950 technology. Thanx for posting that elf because I was too lazy to do it.

That is the best we have? Really? Perhaps up to 300 people are trapped in a room for three hours with a dude shooting bullets. People are scrambling all over the place trying to find a place to to hide.

Also supposedly they are tweeting their ass off and sending out facebook stuff. But somehow no video comes out in a video quality that can show us what is happening.

I did video editing for a living for a while. I know how this shit works. A damn Iphone has great video quality and that is all we have? Seriously? I'm not buying it. Not yet.

I need to see people crawling out the doors full of bullet holes bleeding all over the sidewalk. I also want to see it from multiple sources and independent victims which we still have not met....yet....

I want to hear hollering and screaming and yelling and bloody people crawling alllll over the place. (actually I don't want to see that, but I think yall understand what I mean, hopefully)

The evidence is lacking on this deal. Also the mainstream news is only banging, banging, banging, banging, and banging on LGBT and Clinton and Trump? Where in the hell are all these dozens and dozens and dozens of victims and witnesses?

We have not seen them and we will not see them because they do not exist.

Having said that I will say this..........in the future this will probably become more sophisticated. Green screen technology is a wonder. No doubt. I have created many things with green screen technology. As this intensifies we might, maybe, see more witnesses, better drama, etc....

The lack of details on these HUGE events is TELLING..............



You don't know shit. You're an idiot. Everything you say is wrong and totally fucking stupid. Just STFU already. You've been banned once before here do why do you keep on?
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby backtoiam » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:00 pm

The spooks read us. They learn FROM US. They will take our perspectives and create better false realities from our analysis. That is the way this shit works. That was a great insult nordic and thanx for that. Show me dozens of victims and witnesses and I am happy to concede to being wrong. I see the political equation being built here. A race war. Hang out, you might learn to see it too.

Elvis gave me mortal hell for predicting the migrant crisis. I was right about that too.........Nordic i'm a pattern maker and observer of the same. I am usually always early.......not late.......
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:09 pm

My gut feeling is that while Robertson is not under CIA or FBI control, he might be a low to mid-level Gladio B operative, which still makes him part of their team, insofar as Gladio-type ops foster fear and bolster empire.

I may be way off in hypothesizing, but just to recap what I've found of value in this thread:

1. Still conflicting evidence on whether this is lone wolf op. There's ear-witness testimony of second shooter; maybe the door blocker was just an innocent bystander reacting counter-productively, maybe not.

2. Omar Mateen worked for G4S, formerly known as Wackenhut, a CIA proprietary company whose G4S shares were obtained through a Pakistani buyout facilitated by Bank Al Falah, whose roots go back to BCCI.

3. Mateen's father, reportedly running for President of Afghanistan and photographed all over the place with United States politicians, is a longtime CIA asset.

4. Mateen's ties to Robertson, former(?) FBI & CIA, but definitely former Marine. Was Mateen a Marine as well? Having military and intelligence ties would make Mateen prime recruiting material as a low-level Gladio operative.

Then again, maybe he is just a bipolar homophobic Islamist loner who just fell off the deep end without anyone else's help. Stranger things have happened. But there's certainly more than enough circumstantial intelligence connections to warrant further digging.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby elfismiles » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:13 pm

Via Jeff Wells over on FB:

Orlando Shooter Was Reportedly a Regular at Pulse and Had a Profile on Gay Dating App
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Early Sunday morning, Omar Mateen shot and killed 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, perpetuating the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history. Mateen, his father explained the next day, had repeatedly been angered by the sight of two men kissing. But according to witnesses, Mateen was also a regular at the club and exchanged messages with at least one gay man on a gay dating app.

Orlando Nightclub Gunman's Father Says Son Was Angry After Seeing Two Men Kissing

An MSNBC staff writer spoke with the father of Omar Mateen, the gunman who shot and killed at least …
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“It’s the same guy,” Chris Callen, who performs under the name Kristina McLaughlin, told the Canadian Press. “He’s been going to this bar for at least three years.”

Ty Smith, who also goes by the name Aries, also said he’d seen Mateen being escorted drunk from the club, Pulse, on multiple occasions.

“(He’d get) really, really drunk... He couldn’t drink when he was at home—around his wife, or family. His father was really strict... He used to bitch about it,” Smith told the Canadian Press.

“Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent,” Smith also explained to the Orlando Sentinel, which spoke with at least four clubgoers who remembered seeing Mateen at Pulse at least a dozen times. “We didn’t really talk to him a lot, but I remember him saying things about his dad at times... He told us he had a wife and child.”

Both Callen and Smith, who are married, tell the Canadian Press they stopped speaking to Mateen after he threatened them with a knife, apparently after someone made a joke about religion.

“He ended up pulling a knife,” Callen said. “He said if he ever messed with him again, you know how it’ll turn out.”

Mateen, who was married in 2009, was abusive and unstable, his ex-wife says. They were married for just a few months before her parents rescued her from their home in Florida, leaving most of her belongings behind. It’s still unclear if he was married again after their divorce was finalized in 2011.

Ex-Wife of Alleged Orlando Shooter Says He Was Unstable and Abusive

The Washington Post spoke with the ex-wife of suspected Orlando shooter Omar Mateen, who says he…
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MSNBC host Chris Hayes also says he spoke to a man who claims both he and a friend received messages from Mateen via a gay dating app. The full story is set to air tonight on Haye’s show, All In.

http://gawker.com/orlando-shooter-was-r ... 1781920316

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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Novem5er » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:16 pm

backtoiam is a selfish, prick who would erase the identity of real people to satisfy his own paranoid delusions.

Here is the Facebook page of one Amanda Alvear, who posted the snapshot video listed above with the gunshots at the end. Her Facebook page has already been changed to "Remembering Amanda Alvear", I assume by some process of the family or Facebook confirming users have died. Check out her posts. Check out her family. Oh, it could all be a giant lie, a fake profile going back years and years with dozens and dozens of fake friends and family. . . .or backtoiam (and others like him) could be a giant twat.

https://www.facebook.com/amanda.alvear

Edited b/c I remembered I don't like calling other posters the c-word, even when they are.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby FourthBase » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:18 pm

elfismiles » 13 Jun 2016 17:48 wrote:ORLANDO SHOOTING DAD A LONGTIME CIA ASSET
Posted on June 13, 2016 by Daniel Hopsicker
http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/06/13/or ... cia-asset/


I am awaiting Hopsicker's response to the question of how he would reconcile the notion of the shooter dad being a CIA asset with his apparent public war against the ISI.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby backtoiam » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:29 pm

Novem5er » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:16 pm wrote:backtoiam is a selfish, prick who would erase the identity of real people to satisfy his own paranoid delusions.

Here is the Facebook page of one Amanda Alvear, who posted the snapshot video listed above with the gunshots at the end. Her Facebook page has already been changed to "Remembering Amanda Alvear", I assume by some process of the family or Facebook confirming users have died. Check out her posts. Check out her family. Oh, it could all be a giant lie, a fake profile going back years and years with dozens and dozens of fake friends and family. . . .or backtoiam (and others like him) could be a giant twat.

https://www.facebook.com/amanda.alvear

Edited b/c I remembered I don't like calling other posters the c-word, even when they are.


I am simply saying that the coverage of this by MSM (mainstream media) is so slanted that it is so inaccurate that it makes no sense. It is also interesting that the usual ri attack dogs went into hiding and now we have the sock puppets doing the attacking. i just notice that shit.....just sayinnnn
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:31 pm

stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:09 pm wrote:Then again, maybe he is just a bipolar homophobic Islamist loner who just fell off the deep end without anyone else's help. Stranger things have happened. But there's certainly more than enough circumstantial intelligence connections to warrant further digging.


By the looks of it, probably both? Nick Denton's sweatshop already found his profile on some gay dating site. Also, a curious family worth further scrutiny. Hinckley Jr. was "both" -- it's the best kind of plausible deniability.
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Re: Hey! How about Orlando Now? (shootings)

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:32 pm

backtoiam » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:29 pm wrote: It is also interesting that the usual ri attack dogs went into hiding and now we have the sock puppets doing the attacking. i just notice that shit.....just sayinnnn


This seems like a truly ideal week for a vacation, bud.
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