'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Col. Quisp » Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:32 pm

"corexit" corrects it..what is "it"? Is it us - the overpopulated useless eaters? (Earth) Core wrecks it. "IT" = land/sea and all that live there.

Core exit - stage left!
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 82_28 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:08 pm

Why don't we make a whole motherfucking world out of this corexit shit since it's so awesome! Oh, I got it. I've read this before. COREXIT is straight out of a PKD story. CAN-D, UBIK, UGETIT.

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Dick's former wife Tessa remarked that "Ubik is a metaphor for God. Ubik is all-powerful and all-knowing, and Ubik is everywhere. The spray can is only a form that Ubik takes to make it easy for people to understand it and use it. It is not the substance inside the can that helps them, but rather their faith in the promise that it will help them."[3] She also interpreted the ending by writing, "Many readers have puzzled over the ending of Ubik, when Glen Runciter finds a Joe Chip coin in his pocket. What does it mean? Is Runciter dead? Are Joe Chip and the others alive? Actually, this is meant to tell you that we can't be sure of anything in the world that we call 'reality.' It is possible that they are all dead and in cold pac or that the half-life world can affect the full-life world. It is also possible that they are all alive and dreaming."[3]
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:41 pm

Official: Seep Found Near Well
Officials Overseeing Gulf Disaster Now Pondering Next Step
COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press

UPDATED: 5:50 pm EDT July 18, 2010


NEW ORLEANS -- A federal official said Sunday that scientists are concerned about a seep and possible methane seen near BP's busted oil well in the Gulf of Mexico.

Both could be signs there are leaks in the well that's been capped off for three days.

The official spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Sunday because an announcement about the next steps had not yet been made.

The official would not clarify what was seeping near the well. The official said BP was not complying with the government's demand for more monitoring. BP spokesman Mark Salt declined to comment on the allegation, but said "we continue to work very closely with all government scientists on this."

Retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen will make the final decisions on the next step. The official said Allen would issue a letter to BP shortly allowing testing to proceed in 24-hour increments, but also requiring more analysis of the seep and the possible observation of methane over the well.

If Allen doesn't get the response he wants, the testing could stop, the official said.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:15 pm

U.S. Tells BP to Prepare for Reopening Oil Well After Seep Found

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-19/u-s-s-allen-tells-bp-to-prepare-for-reopening-oil-well-after-seep-found.html


What a fucking mess! :cry:
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:54 pm

DoYouEverWonder wrote:Ah, this does not look good!

http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:22458.asx


That looks like gas, doesn't it?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:07 pm

Jeff wrote:
DoYouEverWonder wrote:Ah, this does not look good!

http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:22458.asx


That looks like gas, doesn't it?

I'm not sure?

They brought the ROV up just after I posted. But I'm not getting a good feeling from the rest of videos either.

The BOP or the ROV filming it has decided to sway back and forth. And the visibility around the BOP has gone to shit.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Hugo Farnsworth » Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:19 pm

I was very surprised that BP got that much pressure on shut-in and that it did not fall off. Normally on a failed test, the pressure will peak and then start to fall off as it leaks. BHP (bottom hole pressure) is around 13,500 psi and to get half that at the well head is not terrible. It is very difficult to estimate or calculate the shut in well head pressure when the formation fluid's properties are unknown (the shut-in well head pressure is reduced by the hydrostatic head of the formation fluids in the well). Heck, it's hard even when they are known (compressibility and phase states of gases).

At least they are not going to try something really stupid like bullheading the well (top kill). I read an article and saw a video which said they are going to try to relieve the pressure by producing it to the surface. BP's insistence on keeping the well shut in is not good. This whole affair should have been handed over to a competent oil company under the auspices of an emergency governmental body from the beginning. That BP is still calling the shots has me greatly concerned.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Julia W » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:41 pm



Thanks all for keeping up with this.
Here's Kunstler on Matt Simmons...

http://kunstler.com/blog/2010/07/what-if-hes-right.html

What If He's Right?
By James Howard Kunstler
on July 19, 2010 8:18 AM


Just when America was celebrating the provisional end of BP's Macondo oil blowout, and getting back to important issues like Kim Kardashian's body-suit collection, along comes Matthew Simmons with a rather strange and alarming outcry on doings in the Gulf of Mexico that contradicts the mood of renewed festivity, as well as just about every shred of reportage from any media outlet, mainstream or otherwise.
Matt Simmons Houston-based company has been the leading investment bank to the US oil industry for a long time, financing exploration and drilling in places like the Gulf of Mexico. Simmons, 68, recently retired from day-to-day management of the company. For much of the decade he has been what may be described as a peak oil activist. His 2005 book, Twilight in the Desert, warned the public that Saudi Arabia's oil production had reached its limits and, more generally, that an oil-dependent world was entering a zone of serious trouble over its primary resource. He took this aggressive stance despite risking the ire of the people he did business with.
Matt Simmons is a sober individual and a very nice man (I've met him twice over the years), a button-downed corporate executive who's been around the oil business for forty years. His knowledge is deep and comprehensive. From the beginning of the BP Macondo blowout incident in April, he's taken the far out position that the well-bore is fatally compromised and that BP has been consistently lying about their operations to stop the flow of oil. Perhaps most radically, Simmons claims that an oil "gusher" is pouring into the Gulf some distance from the drilling site itself.
Last week, Simmons came on Dylan Ratigan's MSNBC financial show, but he did a longer interview over at the King World News website. (click here for Eric King's interview with Simmons). Simmons's current warning about the situation focuses on the gigantic "lake" of crude oil that is pooling under great pressure 4000 to 5000 feet down in the "basement" of the Gulf's waters. More particularly, he is concerned that a tropical storm will bring this oil up - as tropical storms and hurricanes usually do with deeper cold water - and with it clouds of methane gas that will move toward the Gulf shore and kill a lot of people. (I really don't know the science on this and welcome any reader to correct me, but I suppose that the oil "lake" deep under the Gulf waters contains a lot of methane gas dissolved at pressure, and that as the oil rises toward the ocean's surface, and lower pressures, the gas will bubble out of solution.)
Simmons makes two additional points that are pretty radical: he says that several states along the Gulf ought to begin systematic evacuations in counties along the shore now. From his experience in Houston with Hurricane Rita (2005), he says a last-minute evacuation is bound to be a disaster -- the highways jammed hopelessly, drivers ran out of gas, and then the gas stations ran out of gas. Based on where the nation's collective state-of-mind is these days, I can't imagine that any Gulf state governor or mayor will heed this warning and begin preparing an evacuation now. (The practical problems are obvious for householders but what if it really is a matter of life and death?)
Secondly, Simmons maintains - as he has from near the beginning of the blowout - that the US military should take over operations from BP and ought to set off a "small" nuclear device down in the well-bore to fuse the rock into glass and seal the site permanently. Simmons says, based on his experience growing up in Utah near the government's underground nuclear testing sites in neighboring Nevada, where scores of very large atomic bombs were set off for years with no measurable consequences above ground, that a small nuclear explosion down in the Macondo well is unlikely to have any effect above the undersea rock surface. I have no idea, personally if this is true.
Matt Simmons is taking a position so "out there" that even the radical peak oil website TheOilDrum.com won't comment on his remarks (at least not as of early Monday morning July 19). I don't know how to evaluate Simmons's contentions myself, except to say that I don't believe Simmons is a nut, or that he's lost his marbles. We also must suppose that someone in his position is able to talk with an awful lot of the best people in the oil industry. Simmons has put his reputation on the line. A lot of bystanders and commentators are treating him as a fool. Simmons himself is painfully aware of his lonely stance and seems, in his public appearances, to be a very regretful messenger.
In the past twenty-four hours, BP has reported some possible leaks coming out of the seabed some distance from the well-bore. Nobody has been able to confirm yet exactly what is happening down there. One other thing Simmons said is that BP should be barred from the media airwaves since, he says, they have lied consistently in order to cover up their criminal negligence and culpability. The company itself cannot be saved because the claims against it are much greater than the value of its assets - but the people running the company could be sent to jail, so the incentive to keep lying remains high.
Jesse at the Jesse's Café Américain website makes an excellent point that if Matt Simmons is correct, and it turns out that the US government has been played by BP, then remaining public trust in the competence and legitimacy of government could evaporate. This is not a happy thing to contemplate at a time when the state of the nation and its economy are so fragile. What follows could make the current political situation seem like little more than, well, than a tea party, compared to the politics-to-come.
Readers here at Clusterfuck Nation are probably well aware of my past declarations of being allergic to conspiracy theories and crazy ideas generally. I'm not really equipped to evaluate Matt Simmons's warnings about the exact nature of the Macondo blowout and what might happen in the months ahead. But I am confident, having met the guy and corresponded with him and read his books, that he is a straight shooter. I'm sure that he is sincere in proclaiming his extreme discomfort with the position he's taken. Listen and decide for yourselves. (Simmons interview with Eric King)
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:11 pm

BP's ruptured oil well leaking from top, White House says

Monday, July 19, 2010, 2:22 PM Updated: Monday, July 19, 2010, 2:51 PM
The Associated Press

A White House spokesman says BP's ruptured oil well is leaking at the top, along with seepage about two miles away.

Robert Gibbs also says officials are monitoring bubbles that can be seen on an underwater camera.

Leaks could mean the cap on the well has to be opened to prevent oil and gas from escaping elsewhere.

The mechanical cap on the well stopped the flow of oil into the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday.


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:34 pm

So three months after the initial breach, BP finally gets a damn blowout preventer on the well, just days before the first relief well will supposedly be completed.

And instead of connecting the cap up to the pipe that is in place in order to relieve the pressure on the potentially damaged well structure and collect the oil, BP makes the highly dangerous decision to use the blowout preventer as a temporary seal.

Now, again just days before the first relief well will supposedly be finished (the second relief well would supposedly be just as close to completion as well if BP had not ordered a halt to its drilling in order to retrieve its blowout preventer that they haven't used for anything), BP is now strongly considering attempting a risky static kill using the same equipment and techniques that made their top kill such a resounding success.

Does anyone else get the feeling that BP's priming of and response to this disaster have both been purposefully incompetent? What kind of fucked up decision models have they been using to determine their strategies and priorities? First, they hit the motherload of all motherloads, yet decide to cut every corner possible when constructing the well to extract the billions of barrels of oil they found. Then, once their initial incompetence and cost cutting led to a sea floor gusher, job one for any reasonable human being would have been to contain and collect as much of the damn oil as possible, but instead BP's plan was to disperse and dilute. And now that BP finally has the means to contain and collect (and the relief wells are supposedly this close to completion in any case), BP instead decides to risk compromising the entire structure, first by sealing the well head damaged by BP's previous incompetent top kill efforts, and now by considering attempting another top kill effort just days before the relief wells that have always been touted as the ultimate solution are scheduled to be completed.

Is this all just an effort to obscure the actual output of the gusher at any risk? Or is it even more sinister than that? Is their plan to continue this comedy of risk vs. reward errors and delays until we all finally wake up to who are real masters are? Or is their plan even more sinister than that? Have they not damaged the ecosystem enough for their liking? Is there another catastrophic failure being planned just as we finally see some light at the end of the oil slick?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Simulist » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:39 pm

stickdog99 wrote:Does anyone else get the feeling that BP's response to this disaster was purposefully incompetent?

Yes, much of it. JustDrew seemed to think so early on; several others, too.

If it turns out that they were right, as appears to be happening, they deserve credit for their insight.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:42 pm

Scientists have discovered four gas "seeps" at or near BP's blown-out Macondo well since Saturday, but at this point, the federal government doesn't believe they're a problem and will allow BP to leave the cap on the well for another 24 hours while it watches for signs of ruptures in the underground portion of the well.

Bubbles have been spotted on the seabed about three kilometers away from the well, a few hundred meters from the well, at the base of the original blowout preventer on the well, and coming out of a gasket in the flange on the capping stack that was installed last week.
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