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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:26 pm

CIA lawyer: Obama ‘endorsed’ nearly all Bush-era programs

Posted on 09.1.11
By Stephen C. Webster
Categories: Featured, Nation

In a preview of a forthcoming PBS Frontline documentary, John Rizzo, one of the top attorneys for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), claims that President Barack Obama has “endorsed” nearly all of the controversial Bush administration secret warfare programs.

“I was part of the transition briefings of the incoming Obama team, and they signaled fairly early on that the incoming president believed in a vigorous, aggressive, continuing counterterrorism effort,” Rizzo said. “Although they never said it exactly, it was clear that the interrogation program was going away. We all knew that.

“But his people were signaling to us, I think partly to try to assure us that they weren’t going to come in and dismantle the place, that they were going to be just as tough, if not tougher, than the Bush people.”

He added: “With a notable exception of the enhanced interrogation program, the incoming Obama administration changed virtually nothing with respect to existing CIA programs and operations. Things continued. Authorities were continued that were originally granted by President Bush beginning shortly after 9/11. Those were all picked up, reviewed and endorsed by the Obama administration.”

This video is from PBS Frontline’s documentary “Top Secret America,” scheduled to air at 9 p.m. on Sept. 6, 2011.

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Elihu » Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:52 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:But his people were signaling to us, I think partly to try to assure us that they weren’t going to come in and dismantle the place,


can somebody deconstruct this as diffusing propaganda?

i think it's the other way around. i saw a cover of texas monthly a couple of years ago with a headshot of obama with a clown-nose looking down at his feet. as in, when the bp honchos went to the whitehouse about the spill, i imagined them going in, sitting down, having tea and crumpets and when obama walked in one of them handed him the clown nose, told him to put it on, dance around a bit and then leave. when they finished the tea and crumpets, they stopped and addressed reporters in the rose garden on the way out. same thing here.

seemslikeadream wrote:This video is from PBS Frontline’s documentary “Top Secret America,” scheduled to air at 9 p.m. on Sept. 6, 2011.


and the outrageous story dutifully fed to us by the government's own mouthpiece. where were you in about feb 2009? way to jump on that story. poor, passive, cia patriots just doing their job.

am i outta line with this kind of analysis?
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:38 pm

you're not out of line at all, except for the screaming for hugh, which makes no sense whatsoever.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Elihu » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:03 pm

Nordic wrote:you're not out of line at all, except for the screaming for hugh, which makes no sense whatsoever.


thanks nordic i feel better. and i'm putting the manatee down and stepping back. i think i'm exhibit A from jeff's excellent post today. i'm being assimilated in some strange way that i do not understand :dnahelix:
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:46 am

I now simply refer to Obama as Obama Bush Laden. To me they are a singular entity, a fully groomed egregoric tulpa from the bowels of the controllers or out of a Lovecraftian tale.

Bin Laden may be "dead", but his goldstein body has been parasitically woven back into the 77 headed dragon.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Marie Laveau » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:33 am

I haven't kept up on this thread, but the last page is stellar. The other forum I was on was full of people who were all hopped up on the change that was gonna happen just as soon as Obama took the throne.

I got all kinds of hate for saying he was a tool of empire, just like Bush II, Clinton, BushI, and Reagan before him. All of them, for that matter.

Now, of course, the cat is out of the bag. And a person gets all kinds of hate for saying the next person will be a tool of empire, too.

"NOT RON PAUL! HE'S DIFFERENT!" Uh, yeah. He's been in D.C. for how many years? He's different.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Nordic » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:25 pm

Here we go, your daily Moment of Hate:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-0 ... icans.html

Obama Asks EPA to Withdraw Ozone Rules

By Mark Drajem - Sep 2, 2011 12:16 PM PT

President Barack Obama quashed proposed rules on ozone from the Environmental Protection Agency, agreeing with Republicans and industry to withdraw the costliest regulation being considered by the administration.
Obama said he is seeking to reduce regulatory burdens as the economy recovers, and said the EPA would weigh tighter standards on ozone, which causes smog, in two years.

“Ultimately, I did not support asking state and local governments to begin implementing a new standard that will soon be reconsidered,” Obama said today in a statement.

The EPA’s proposed regulations for ground-level ozone would have revised rules issued during President George W. Bush’s administration in 2008. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson has said those rules wouldn’t stand up to legal scrutiny. The EPA’s proposal would have cost $19 billion to $90 billion, according to the White House.

The EPA will revisit the ozone standard in 2013 as required by law, Jackson said today in a statement. Business groups, which joined Republicans to protest that environmental and other U.S. rules under consideration would further weaken the economy, applauded Obama’s decision, as health and environmental groups derided it as capitulating to business.
“The Obama administration is caving to big polluters at the expense of protecting the air we breathe,” Gene Karpinski, president of the League of Conservation Voters, an environmental group, said today in an e-mailed statement. “This is a huge win for corporate polluters and a huge loss for public health.”

‘Good News’

Business group representatives had met Aug. 16 with White House Chief of Staff William Daley to push their case for scrapping the ozone changes. They said the costs would be much greater than the administration estimated.
“The signal today was that message is being heard” by the White House, Jack Gerard, president of the American Petroleum Institute in Washington, which represents companies such as Exxon Mobil Corp., said in an interview. “These are the kinds of signals that the economy and business needs to begin pulling money off the sidelines and start investing.”

Obama, facing re-election next year, is under political pressure on the economy, which the Labor Department today said failed to add jobs last month. Unemployment remained at 9.1 percent, the department said.

The president is set to address Congress Sept. 8 to outline plans for boosting hiring and economic growth as Republicans criticize him for his policies, including rules and regulations on business.

“This action alone will prevent more job losses than any speech the president has given,” Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the top Republican in the Senate, said in a statement.

Republican Votes Planned

House Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, asked Obama last week to detail the estimated cost of regulations proposed by the administration, and Republicans say they plan a series of votes on measures to delay or prohibit environmental or labor protections they blame for a weak economy. The EPA’s ozone proposal was the costliest of seven rules identified by the administration.

“This sudden admission by President Obama that ill- considered regulations do, in fact, have a negative impact upon our economy is a welcome breakthrough,” Representative Fred Upton, a Michigan Republican and chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, said in a statement. His committee is scheduled to vote on measures to scuttle two other EPA proposals next week.

The ozone rule has triggered conflicts between the Obama administration and companies such as Chevron Corp. (CVX) and Dow Chemical Co. over environmental regulation, in part because the rules affect all industries in areas that the EPA deems exceed the standards.

Ozone, Sun, Illness

Ozone is created when hydrocarbons and nitrogen oxides combine in the presence of sunlight. Fuel exhaust and vapors are major sources of the chemicals.

The resulting pollution can contribute to breathing difficulties, lung damage and reduced cardiovascular function, according to the EPA’s website.

The proposed standards would apply to states and localities, which will have to take steps to reduce pollutants if the tighter restrictions make them fall out of compliance with the federal ozone rules.

The EPA’s proposed regulations for ground-level ozone would tighten the standard of 0.75 parts per million issued under Bush in 2008.

The EPA’s outside science board had recommended that the standard be lowered to 0.60 to 0.70 parts per million, and that is what the agency proposed in a preliminary proposal last year.

‘Penalty Box’

“No matter where they would have fallen on that scale, there’s no doubt they would have thrown large swaths of the country into non-attainment, or the penalty box,” said Ross Eisenberg, counsel for environment and energy at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. Once that happens businesses need costly permits or technologies to comply, he said.

Environmentalists counter that there is wide leeway under the Clean Air Act to ensure that standards don’t hurt the economy. In a separate meeting with Daley last month, they handed him a study by the Center for American Progress, a Washington group that advises Democrats, showing that areas cited by the EPA in the past didn’t experience lower overall economic growth.

The EPA’s own analysis found that imposing a standard of 0.70 parts per million would have a net positive impact on the economy, as health benefits outweighed the costs to industry.

“The White House completely capitulated to an industry lobbying campaign based on lies” that it would harm the economy, said John Walke, clean-air director of the National Resources Defense Council in Washington. “They found themselves having to repeat those lies.”



Two weeks ago I was up at my father's place, with him and his fascist wife. I asked them what, exactly, has Obama done that they would consider "liberal". They honestly couldn't think of anything. I asked them "well why do you think he's a liberal, then?"
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby norton ash » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:42 pm

Gotta keep ALL that American weight on the suicide sled. Faster!
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:29 am

I'm actually GLAD they stopped the extra smog shit. I've gotten kind of sick of all the eco green stuff, which I tend to agree with some on the right how it tends to target poor people and developing countries(I absolutely reject the right wing meme that climate change is fake or has nothing to do with man's destruction and polition of the planet)

But the banning of old school lightbulbs, all this smog stuff...thats great for yuppy people with fancy cars...but I am not liking the big nannyficaiton going on in California or the rest of the states
(san francisco with banning happy meals, wanting to ban male circumcision, and democrat senators against violent video games)

I almost could see them taxing us for just breathing, and a growing "kill yourself to save the planet" movement.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Sep 03, 2011 10:08 am

8bitagent wrote:I almost could see them taxing us for just breathing, and a growing "kill yourself to save the planet" movement.


I could go for a "kill a rich cunt and save the planet" movement.
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby operator kos » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:42 pm

Don't know if this has already been posted, as I haven't read all 78 pages of this thread, but it's awesome...

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:35 pm

He Who Gets Slapped: The Progressive Perpetuation of Past and Present Evil
Written by Chris Floyd
Sunday, 04 September 2011 15:23

Five years ago, I wrote several articles about a horrific massacre of Iraqi civilians in Ishaqi. Credible evidence and eyewitness testimony indicated that American soldiers, in the course of a raid, had executed unarmed civilians -- including several small children -- then called in an airstrike to destroy the house, and the evidence of these murders.

At the time, these articles were criticized by some for putting the "worst case" construction on the evidence. After all, in the "fog of war" -- that clapped-out rhetorical trope which has hidden a multitude of sins down through the years -- who could know what really happened? Yeah, some mistakes might or might not have been made -- crossfire, collateral damage, etc. -- but surely no one could believe that American soldiers would deliberately do such a thing. My take -- and that of this blog's co-founder, Rich Kastelein, who put together a devastating flash film on the incident -- was just the usual overblown, knee-jerk, anti-war hissy fit, etc.

But thanks to a recent WikiLeaks revelation, we now know that at least two other groups of knee-jerk, anti-war freaks were also pursuing the "worst-case" interpretation of the massacre: UN investigators, who delivered a detailed report on the evidence to the American occupation forces -- and the invaders themselves. It turns out that American authorities regarded the UN evidence very seriously; so seriously that they took immediate, decisive action .... to cover it all up.

Publicly, of course, the invaders had solemnly promised to investigate the "allegations" with all due speed and diligence; this promise was, of course, an outright lie -- as has been the case countless times with similar "allegations" in America's decade-long war on the world. The atrocity was never investigated by the Americans, who simply tossed aside not only the work of the UN investigators, but also the mountain of first-hand evidence gathered by the US-trained, pro-American Iraqi officials on the scene.

So here we are: we now know that the Americans themselves strongly suspected that the "allegations" were true, that U.S. soldiers had entered a house in an Iraqi village and executed five children under the age of five -- including a five-month old -- and four women, including a grandmother, and the children's father, a young man in this 20s. They had credible evidence for this, they took the evidence seriously -- and they bent all their efforts toward burying the case and protecting the perpetrators (and their commanders). They have sat on this evidence for five years, beyond the end of the Bush Regime and deep into the reign of the Nobel Peace Laureate.

This would be the same Nobel Peace Laureate whose forces, along with their local proxies, carried out yet another mass killing of civilians in Ishaqi last month, as we noted here. Barack Obama has never repudiated the War Machine that routinely produces such atrocities; on the contrary, he has embraced it, praised it, identified himself with it at every opportunity. He has never repudiated the criminal occupation of Iraq, but has instead sought frantically, for months, to extend it, in any way possible, with tens of thousands of "advisers," "trainers," and mercenaries disguised at "State Department security personnel." Along with his favorite general -- now his spymaster -- David Petraeus, he has intensified the Ishaqi-style "home invasion" system in the other war of domination and profiteering that he has not only embraced but boldly escalated, in Afghanistan. He has taken deadly home invasions to new heights -- literally -- with his cowardly drone missile campaign against homes and neighborhoods in undefended villages in Pakistan. And in Yemen. And in Somalia. (And in who knows what other countries in the secret wars and covert ops that his security apparatchiks boast of conducting all over the world?)

Yet it is this figure -- this xerox copy of the despised Dubya -- whom all good liberals and progressives are being urged to support. His election is far more important than the mounds of dead children piling up under his command. His personal political fortunes are far more important than the national bankruptcy engineered by the War Machine he proudly leads and the Money Power he faithfully serves -- a bankruptcy that has opened the door to the destruction of programs, hopes and ideals that liberals and progressives have nurtured for generations. His electoral fate is more important than the generations of hate, extremism, violence and instability being bred by his policies. Indeed, Barack Obama's re-election is even more important than the well-being and dignity of one's own child.

So we are told by the Big Progressive Kahuna himself, Markos Moulitsas. In a recent, super-savyy analysis of the Obama Administration's manifest failures to promote its image properly and thus secure the president's re-election, Moulitsas produces this remarkable passage:

Bottom line, if Obama's approach to governing was proving popular, then there'd be little fault. If triangulating against liberals bolstered his numbers with independents, then that'd be cool! Heck, if slapping my first-born in the face bumped his numbers up with independents, I'd tolerate it. But it's not. His current approach isn't working.

"If slapping my first-born in the face bumped his numbers up with independents, I'd tolerate it." I realize this is offered as a deliberately over-the-top rhetorical flourish (perhaps even as a cack-handed, piles-producing strain toward humor), but it bespeaks a partisan obsequiousness -- and a moral blindness -- that staggers the mind. After all, Obama has actually been killing, not just slapping, first-borns (and other children) at a steady clip for more than two years now. And this certainly hasn't hurt "his numbers" with serious, savvy progressives like Kos.

It is just possible, of course, that these on-going atrocities have in themselves kept Obama from "bumping his numbers up with independents," some of whom might object to seeing mass murder committed by their government. But this is not a factor in our progressives' earnest cogitations. No, it's all about the process, the PR framing, finding the "popular approach" and "not looking weak."

These vast outpourings of innocent blood literally do not matter to our serious, savvy progressives. The only thing that really matters is Obama's re-election, his chance to continue grinding up bones and bodies with his beloved War Machine and his runaway Security Organs for another four years.

This is what it's come to: "Take my child, slap her in the face, if it will help you keep on killing." This is all that's left of the "professional left."
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby Simulist » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:42 pm

But, but, but… supporting Obama in 2012 is going to be SO IMPORTANT.

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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby 8bitagent » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:59 pm

operator kos wrote:Don't know if this has already been posted, as I haven't read all 78 pages of this thread, but it's awesome...



I think this deserves its own thread:)
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Re: Fuck Obama

Postby freemason9 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:02 pm

8bitagent wrote:I'm actually GLAD they stopped the extra smog shit. I've gotten kind of sick of all the eco green stuff, which I tend to agree with some on the right how it tends to target poor people and developing countries(I absolutely reject the right wing meme that climate change is fake or has nothing to do with man's destruction and polition of the planet)

But the banning of old school lightbulbs, all this smog stuff...thats great for yuppy people with fancy cars...but I am not liking the big nannyficaiton going on in California or the rest of the states
(san francisco with banning happy meals, wanting to ban male circumcision, and democrat senators against violent video games)

I almost could see them taxing us for just breathing, and a growing "kill yourself to save the planet" movement.


Let me tell you how it will be;
There's one for you, nineteen for me.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don't take it all.
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

(if you drive a car, car;) - I’ll tax the street;
(if you try to sit, sit;) - I’ll tax your seat;
(if you get too cold, cold;) - I’ll tax the heat;
(if you take a walk, walk;) - I'll tax your feet.

Taxman!

'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Don't ask me what I want it for, (ah-ah, mister Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more. (ah-ah, mister heath)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

Now my advice for those who die, (taxman)
Declare the pennies on your eyes. (taxman)
'Cause I’m the taxman,
Yeah, I’m the taxman.

And you're working for no one but me.

Taxman!
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