Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmon

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Postby compared2what? » Fri May 11, 2012 5:22 pm

For example:

Way back on page 26, I pointed out:

According to every single poll on the subject that's been taken over the last nine years, on the other hand, a plain majority of the Israeli general public favors dismantling the settlements. (By somewhere between > 50 percent and > 70 percent, apparently depending on the survey, since there's not a clear trend one way or the other over time.)

Additionally, as of 2011, roughly 60 percent of the Israeli Jewish respondents polled would like to see a government crackdown on extremist-settler violence against Palestinians.

IOW: Those extremist far-right cults on which you're so very disproportionately focused are not at all representative of the Jewish Israeli population as a whole.



Oh ye who speak only of the actions and attitudes of individuals, not of the Jewish or anybody else, despite which, your response...

Alice wrote:Then, assuming that Israel is indeed a democracy, for Jews, in any case, we should have seen a drastic reduction in the construction of Jewish settlements on stolen Palestinian land, when on the contrary, they are spreading at an accelerated pace. The only real Israeli poll that counts is the one that takes place at the ballot, and there, the Israelis make their opinion count, by voting in increasingly racist, fascist, right-wing governments led by war criminals.

"Those extremist far-right cults" are the ones who are actively carrying out the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians with the protection, financing and military backing of the Israeli state. They are supported with huge, tax-free financial donations from American citizens, and from other Jewish citizens abroad. They are the vanguard of Israel, creating a wider and wider space for Israeli Judeo-supremacist enclaves, at the expense of the Palestinians, with the blessing and concrete support of the state and of the Jewish "diaspora".

Besides, I don't understand how you can quote certain polls that do not AT ALL reflect reality as experienced by Israel's Palestinian victims.


...was that it wasn't true because (a) you said it wasn't, and (b) it didn't reflect reality as experienced by Israel's Palestinian victims, in some unspecified way that presumably allows you to know that Israel's Palestinian victims are uniquely the victims of every single citizen of Israel, irrespective of their actions and attitudes. As opposed to victims of American war, I guess. Although why, I don't know. Because you say so?

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I DON"T QUOTE THAT POLL FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN THAT IT REFLECTS PUBLIC SENTIMENT IN ISRAEL.

I HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT, DUE TO ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR THE PALESTINIANS.

WHAT PART OF THAT IS SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO GRASP?
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby barracuda » Fri May 11, 2012 5:23 pm

Vigilant, your link doesn't work for me, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, and you're an anti-semite. Almost forgot to mention that.
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 11, 2012 5:24 pm

barracuda wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:you and others here may oppose them equally but one would be hard pressed to verify that sentiment with actual RI threads on the subject ...but you are entitled to your partialities and prejudices, I suppose....Ad nauseam


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It would be different if this forum were populated by groups of deniers of the Irish genocide, or people who insisted upon supporting hating the Irish for their Irishness. But it isn't.



Holocaust ignoring far worse than repugnant holocaust denial at least latter admits possibility of public discussion History ignored - history repeated Genocide ignored - genocide repeated Evil grows unchecked in the space between double standards



Toll of Irish Holocaust. The 1841 census of Ireland revealed a population of 10,897,449. This figure includes the correction factor established by that year's official partial recount. When, between 1779 and 1841, the U.S. population increased by 640 percent, and England's is estimated to have increased, despite massive emigration to its colonies, by 100 percent, it is generally accepted that Ireland's population increase was 172% 10. The average annual component of this 172% increase is x in the formula (1+ x)62 = 1 + 172%; thus 0.0163, or 1.63%. Accepting that this 1.63% rate of annual population increase continued until mid-1846 (one human gestation after the late-1845 beginning of removal of Ireland's food), the 1846 population was 11,815,011.
Assuming that rate continued, the population in 1851, absent the starvation, would have been approximately 12,809,841. However; the 1851 census recorded a population of 6,552,385; thus there was a "disappearance" of 6,257,456. This population-loss figure of 6,257,456 is scarcely susceptible to significant challenge, being derived directly from the British government's own censuses for Ireland. It is reasonable to assume that the rigor established in the recount of 1841 became the standard for the 1851 census; so that any residual undercount would be systemic, affecting 1841 and 1851 proportionately (and, if known, would increase the murder total). These 6,257,456 include roughly 1,000,000 who successfully fled into exile and another 100,000 unborn between 1846 and 1851 due to malnutrition-induced infertility. Of the 100,000 who fled to Canada in 1847, only 60,000 were still alive one month after landing.11 Among the 40,000 dead was Henry Ford's father's mother who died en route from Cork or in quarantine on Quebec's Grosse Ile.
Thus; though from 1845 through 1850, 6,257,456 "disappeared," the number murdered is approximately 1.1 million fewer; i.e., 5.16 millions. Consequently; if Britain's census figures for Ireland are correct the British government murdered approximately 5.16 million Irish men, women and children; making it the Irish Holocaust. This number, 5.16 million, exceeds the high end of the range (4.2 to 5.1 million) of serious estimates of the number of Jews murdered by Nazis. The least reliable component of the foregoing arithmetic is the number assumed to have successfully fled. If the fleers who survived prove to number, say, 900,000 instead of 1,000,000, the murder count will have to be corrected from 5.16 to 5.26 millions. This amount of adjustment, up or down, of the 5.16 millions murdered is determinable by sensitive review of the immigration records of the U.S., Canada, Argentina, and Australia; and of government records on the Irish who fled to Britain at the time. We invite bona fide documentation of the foregoing; whether in confirmation or rebuttal. Economists and historians are disqualified if their published work on the events of 1845-1850 covers up the British army's central role therein. Such individuals lack the standing to participate in this truth-quest.

To our knowledge nobody else has ever published the above arithmetic or named the food removal regiments and battleships. Evidence that other truth-telling accounts exist would be greatly appreciated. Irish academia shuns and slurs Tom Gallagher's Paddy's Lament and Englishwoman Cecil Woodham-Smith's The Great Hunger for mentioning the Food Removal. Woodham-Smith fudged, but not enough to satisfy the cover-up cabal. For example; she reported that the 1841 partial recount established a correction factor of one-third for the 1841 census figure; but she used the uncorrected figure to calculate! By this and other fudges she arrived at a population-loss of only 2.5 million. She allocated only half a page to the core facts of the Genocide; the food removal data, while using some two hundred pages to describe British government "relief measures" as if they were something other than cosmetic exercises; a cover-up. But just as Telefis Eireann out-Britished Yorkshire TV by refusing to co-premiere the latter's 1993 exposé of the 5/17/74 British bombings of Dublin/Monaghan streets that murdered 33 and maimed 253; and as the Irish police menace the survivors of that bombing instead of arresting the known British perpetrators; so do Irish historians out-British Woodham-Smith by ostracizing her for exposing the Food Removal. They out-do themselves in describing the "benefit" of the Irish Holocaust; how Britain reduced poverty in Ireland ( by murdering those it had impoverished! They promote the notion that only the blighted potato crop belonged to the Irish while Ireland's abundant livestock, grains, etc., all "belonged" to mostly absentee English landlords. By that insane standard all of the property and production of Europe and Asia, excepting starvation rations for workers, would belong to W.W.II GIs and their heirs (or to the Axis had it won).

Irish are not guilty. Though many Holocaust Irish, like many, say, Auschwitz Jews, took deadly advantage of their own weakest, neither the Irish nor Jewish communities had hand or part in the conceiving and planning of the genocides from London and Berlin; respectively. But, the German government repented and paid $100 billion (dollars) reparations to Jews while the British government and its Dublin surrogates still use terror and slander against those who commemorate the Irish Holocaust. It is still dangerous - after 150 years - to reveal the truth of it. ...
http://www.irishholocaust.org/tollofholocaust
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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby barracuda » Fri May 11, 2012 5:28 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:Holocaust ignoring far worse than repugnant holocaust denial at least latter admits possibility of public discussion History ignored - history repeated Genocide ignored - genocide repeated Evil grows unchecked in the space between double standards


Gee, we don't have many threads here about the colonial American slave trade, either. I guess we just don't give a shit.
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Postby Simulist » Fri May 11, 2012 5:28 pm

compared2what? wrote:
Simulist wrote:Which brings me then to this question, which I ask sincerely: "What in the world IS (supposed to be) the legitimate basis for Israel's dispossessing Palestinian people of their homes?"

Since we know that "God" didn't give "this land" to the Israelis, who — besides the United Nations — did?

(In other words, I think this whole problem might have been solved way back in the 1940s had there been a decent escrow officer from a title company in charge. ;) )


The short-ish answer is that it was a response to the aftermath of the Holocaust/WWII, brokered by and among and/or between a number of western powers/interests and zionist leadership, for a number of reasons. It was cynical on the part of some and well-intentioned on the part of others, in some ways. But it was also racist (ie -- entailed a prejudiced dismissal of the rights and interests of Arabs) on the part of all, irrespective of anybody's intentions.

That's a lot more clearly evident now than it was in 1948, when Arabs were still cartoon sheiks, veiled houris and comically toothless fez-wearers in the eyes of most. It's also a lot less obscured by the political primacy of restoring the functional status of practically every economy/society in Europe now than it was then. And it's also a lot less obviously a decision borne of antisemitism now than it was then. By which I don't just mean that the H was then recent, but that both the United States and England were then very antisemitic (and xenophobic!) countries/cultures, neither of which wanted to be saddled with jewzillion masses of Eastern European immigrants.

Nevertheless, it was a bad idea then. And it's a bad idea/thing (in the obvious ways, for the obvious reasons) now.

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Zionism was also always a bad idea, imo. In every form. But it should be noted that it wasn't always the unitary goal of zionism to literally found a nation-state in Israel. Prior to (roughly) the Balfour Declaration, some zionists were just aiming for a cultural home location/refuge for Jewish refugees. For example. Plus -- as I've already said many, many times -- it wasn't at all a popular -- or even a well-accepted -- idea among Jews generally, ever, in any form, anywhere until the Holocaust. For that reason (and others) it was far from a done deal even after the Balfour Declaration.

That notwithstanding, Palestinians are living with and dying from the consequences now. And we live in the now. So it might be more helpful to consider it within the framework of the now than within the framework of some intangible, strictly notional and widely rumored tribal collective nastiness on the part of Jews.

That's all I'm saying.

That sounds like a credible summary of the events leading to 1948; thank you for it. Also, I agree that we live in 2012 — which seems pretty obvious on the surface, but is also surprisingly easy for me to forget sometimes concerning subjects like this.

Also, Alice, I've downloaded the paper that you've suggested, and I am interested to read it.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 11, 2012 5:30 pm

barracuda wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:Holocaust ignoring far worse than repugnant holocaust denial at least latter admits possibility of public discussion History ignored - history repeated Genocide ignored - genocide repeated Evil grows unchecked in the space between double standards


Gee, we don't have many threads here about the colonial American slave trade, either. I guess we just don't give a shit.



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Postby American Dream » Fri May 11, 2012 5:33 pm

If you have good principles, you have good principles:
In our struggle against Zionism, racism, and all forms of colonialism and imperialism, there is no place for anti-Semitism or the vilification of Jews, Palestinians, or any people based on their religions, cultures, nationalities, ethnicity, or history. At this historic junction -- when the need to struggle for the liberation of Palestine is more vital than ever and the fault lines of capitalist empire are becoming more widely exposed -- no anti-oppressive revolution can be built with ultra-right allies or upon foundations friendly to creeping fascism.




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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby Simulist » Fri May 11, 2012 5:34 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:
barracuda wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:Holocaust ignoring far worse than repugnant holocaust denial at least latter admits possibility of public discussion History ignored - history repeated Genocide ignored - genocide repeated Evil grows unchecked in the space between double standards


Gee, we don't have many threads here about the colonial American slave trade, either. I guess we just don't give a shit.



There is only one holocaust deniel that anyone cares about here

Since you seem determined to continue using that term — as if the Jewish Holocaust were not unique — please respond to my points on the previous page:

Simulist wrote:Murder is a crime, and it's wrong. But unless I'm grossly misinformed on the subject, the Holocaust was "the Final Solution" to exterminate every Jewish man, woman, and child. To utterly wipe the Jewish people from the face of the earth.

Because of this, I see few crimes that compare in (A) intent, or (B) scope — if any.

Is this not true?
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Postby barracuda » Fri May 11, 2012 5:35 pm

seemslikeadream wrote:There is only one holocaust deniel that anyone cares about here


It's just that everyone here loves the Jews so much, they can't stop talking about them.

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Re: Anti-Imperialism & Anti-Humanist Rhetoric of Gilad Atzmo

Postby eyeno » Fri May 11, 2012 5:41 pm

barracuda wrote:Eyeno, your link doesn't work for me, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, and you're an anti-semite.



By all means let me "serve you" then. Since I didn't write this article i'm not an anti-semite. This nice man (jewish man) is the anti-semite.

Your ad-hominem cannon is working good today huh? Does your mommy know you are on her computer in the basement studying (but not learning) rhetorical devices? (sorry couldn't help myself)

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Stalin's Jews

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

Published: 12.21.06, 23:35 / Israel Opinion

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Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.



Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.



We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.



Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.



In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.



Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.



All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened
to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.



And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."



Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.



Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.



Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.



In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.



The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.



Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.
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Postby barracuda » Fri May 11, 2012 5:45 pm

:happybanana:

I'm not sure how that article makes you any less of a Jew-hater, vigilant, although it does show you haven't been reading the thread very closely.
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Postby Simulist » Fri May 11, 2012 5:45 pm

eyeno wrote:
barracuda wrote:Eyeno, your link doesn't work for me, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, and you're an anti-semite.



By all means let me "serve you" then. Since I didn't write this article i'm not an anti-semite. This nice man (jewish man) is the anti-semite.

Your ad-hominem cannon is working good today huh? Does your mommy know you are on her computer in the basement studying (but not learning) rhetorical devices? (sorry couldn't help myself)


Stalin's Jews

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

Published: 12.21.06, 23:35 / Israel Opinion

Tweet

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.



Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.



We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.



Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.



In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.



Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.



All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened
to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.



And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."



Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.



Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.



Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.



In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.



The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.



Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything here? And why — except that you want to disparage Jewish people even further — would you bother posting it?
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Postby solace » Fri May 11, 2012 5:48 pm

barracuda wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:There is only one holocaust deniel that anyone cares about here


It's just that everyone here loves the Jews so much, they can't stop talking about them.

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If the thread ever got a theme song I suggest that Willie Nelson Classic, "Jew Were Always On My Mind," might be apropos.
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Postby Simulist » Fri May 11, 2012 5:49 pm

Gah!!!

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Postby seemslikeadream » Fri May 11, 2012 5:54 pm

barracuda wrote:
seemslikeadream wrote:There is only one holocaust deniel that anyone cares about here


It's just that everyone here loves the Jews so much, they can't stop talking about them.

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it's not the love that being closely watched for here but carry on and as long as this thread continues we will all be reminded over and over and over and over again that RI is not an anti-semitic Jewish holocaust denying website
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