9/11 Cult Watch

[isachar]

This coming from from someone who can't distinguish between a gate-keeper and someone who wishes to tear down the gates.

Wow you really haven't a clue have you?

None of my one-liners are non-sequiters, just that certain people here don't understand them due to limited thinking.

You have given yourself a name. Names are words. I made a pun on your name. You reject my pun because (paraphrasing) one cannot make a pun on something that isn't a word.

By my count that's two non-sequiters.

Now go away you nasty little booger-eating troll.

[orz]

Names are words

It's not a word, it's a picture. And I was responding sequentially to YOUR non-sequiter lame childish nonsensical pasta-related 'pun'.

[Penguin]

I have just one, deeply acute comment on this thread.

We people arguing like this?

Why are we arguing?

Who does it benefit that we argue about silly things like these?



Just my 2 wooden pennies. Almost wrote cents. Sorry.

[orz]

That was 3p.

[AlanStrangis]

For those having a grand old time calling Jeff a gatekeeper...
http://rigint.blogspot.com/2007/03/its-real-thing.html
If Jeff is gatekeeping (a violation of board rules, no?)... then the "New Truth" movement has been "veal fattening pen keeping*", because this is what the uninitiated see on their TVs...

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Footage of someone asking Larry Silverstein about the "Pull it!" comment AGAIN! NO WAI!

A new edition of Loose Change! And it was mentioned on teh CNNZ!

More Pentagon missile? RLY? NO WAI!

Charlie Sheen?!?!? Hookers AND Thermate!

David Lynch? Transcendental Holographic Lasers!

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In contrast... how many times has the media had a sit down with Indira Singh or Sibel Edmonds, or talked about the war games in any detail, or Minetta's 9/11 testimony etc etc...

If I were to play "Guess the gatekeeping", I know where I'd double down.

[lunarose]

hi mr. wells:

"Isn't revulsion an appropriate response to the "Truth Movement" that ate 9/11 justice?"

i'm curious as to how or when you thought there was ever any chance of anyone getting '9/11 justice'. just looking at the successful efforts of the bush admin to prevent any well-funded investigation with actual subpoena power, the keane commission's complete corruption, the stacking of our judicial system from top to bottom with right wing judges since the reagan years, the firing of non-compliant attorneys by the AG gonzales, the bought-and-paid-for nature of the US political system - in my view you are giving certain fringe elements an unrealistic amount of power. for there to have been any chance of '9/11 justice' in the first place, US history for at least the last 75 years would've had to be completely re-written. it's not like there was this huge worldwide momentum to get at the perpetrators, even if it led to the most high and powerful, and then bickering about controlled demolition blew it. (so to speak.)

[isachar]

Now, let's examine what might have been.

Jeff (and I use him here to represent all of his orthodoxy) might have taken a position like:

Since both the official investigations in the events leading up to and occuring on 911 are transparently phony and illegitimate, there must be a full and bona fide investigation into the criminal acts related to that day.

I fully support all in the 911 truth and justice community who have this as their goal. However, since this is not likely to occur, I fully support all citizen-based efforts to gather, present, preserve, and analyze evidence of these crimes.

We may not all agree on what rises to the level of indictment of the criminals, but that is not our responsibility. Rather, it is the responsibility of our criminal justice and investigatory system that has also been perverted.

Rather, it is our responsibility to keep the knowledge and awareness of these crimes alive until such time as our investigatory and criminal justice systems can bring the perpetrators of these crimes to their full measure of justice.

And, until such time as a definitive and legitimate investigation can be made that is not controlled and directed by some of the leading suspects, all plausible alternatives must be kept on the table. This is fully in compliance with the investigative method that requires all such alternatives to be on the table until they can be definitely ruled out through a legitimate investigatory process.

My personal view (insert jeff's view here if I've mistated it) is that the forensics of the crime don't matter. But that is my personal view and it has no greater legitimacy than others who hold the view that the forensics have equal (or even greater) weight than other evidence.


Now, consider how much different things may have gone if this had been the prevailing view among those jeff derides as 'cultists' and the 'acceptable' left-pablum orthodoxy as represented by jeff and his ilk.

[Jeff]

hi mr. wells:

"Isn't revulsion an appropriate response to the "Truth Movement" that ate 9/11 justice?"

i'm curious as to how or when you thought there was ever any chance of anyone getting '9/11 justice'.

I don't hold out much hope, and I've said there was only a slim chance, but if it's still possible then something like Kucinich initiating an investigation of 9/11 financing and insider trading is much more likely to be how it comes than by collapse fixations.

The money trail, along with testimony from the likes of Edmonds and Singh and the Florida flight school crime scene, serves up a coherent narrative as well as names of probable suspects. Attention to the collapse has neither.

[Penguin]

Yeah, well..I just cant take sides here, I had a precognitive vision of the towers coming down, on the other side of the world, some 15 minutes before the first plane hit, and thought from the beginning that something was very wrong..So I think Id figure well in on the loony crowd

I could end up at the same conclusion by a myriad of routes - Im not picking any "sides". I know what my 3rd eye showed me.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Looks like the anti-conspiricist "Cult Watch" site serves as pointless agit-prop, doesn't it?
Just more fuel on a fire, all heat and no light.


But this site with Richard Gage, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, etc.
is what Jane Harman's Congressional committee on thought crimes feared and displayed when hyping H.R. 1955-
http://www.ae911truth.org/

Gee, why do you think that is? Does that tell you something?
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Certainty in the minds of the masses is the enemy of the psy-ops state.
Proof creates certainty.
Physical evidence is proof.

"Back and to the left." That created certainty that Oswald didn't kill JFK from the sixth floor behind him and that's why the physical fact was suppressed for years.

All those Arab names running around and funds being sloshed, no certainty comes out of that in the minds of the masses.

I'm certain of that.

[Penguin]

Sure does. Divide and conquer. The dice are cast. Hope I get a good hit in before that hydra hits back, I have no antimagic protection and the Priest is already out cold last round.

[lunarose]

thank you mr. wells.

'I don't hold out much hope, and I've said there was only a slim chance, but if it's still possible then something like Kucinich initiating an investigation of 9/11 financing and insider trading is much more likely to be how it comes than by collapse fixations.

Kucinich has his hands full hanging onto his own seat. investigations of money trails in BCCI didn't kick the bush dynasty out of power. i've been watching 'deep politics' since the early '80's, when these type of investigations did happen, and went nowhere. things have gone a lot farther down the totalitarian path since then.

'...a coherent narrative as well as names of probable suspects. Attention to the collapse has neither.'

maybe it's the way you think it's being investigated. obviously, if it was cd, someone had to buy the explosives, finance their purchase and installation, provide access for the placement, etc. names will come up in this process.

i personally think the lines people think will be fruitful to pursue have more to do with personality or intellectual inclination. for instance, i have had many discussions on this topic with my dad. indira singh, lack of civil defense, lack of pentagon defense, money trails, role of the saudis - all that went nowhere with him. he put it down to incompetence, and 'those politicians and businessmen are all just in bed with each other'. and he's a socialist, not center or right-wing. one day i brought to his attention the speed of the collapse, and that brought him up short. that he had to admit was 'off'. he's a geek, very mechanically/engineering oriented, and that caught his attention. so i think a lot of it comes down to a person's background and outlook on the world, which is why i figure the more lines of inquiry the better. which, of course, is not happening.....

[Searcher08]

The money trail, along with testimony from the likes of Edmonds and Singh and the Florida flight school crime scene, serves up a coherent narrative as well as names of probable suspects. Attention to the collapse has neither.

...and where we are on our little blue ball, is that Sibel gets death threats and is utterly ignored by the MSM and the US government .

...Indira Singh AFAIK does occasional research for Michael Corbin's A Closer Look but is suffering from First Responder lung disease and no-one seems to give a shit about her.

... Dan Hopsicker keeps plugging away, coming up with more and more drug links and resides in the 'where are they now' file of 9-11 research.

In this situation, surely the things that unite people are more important than the things which divide. What unites many people involved in this is outrage at the lack of justice for the famiiles of the people who died

I can see no way there will be 911 justice short of a military coup in the US - having the true nature of 9-11 be revealed would probably be much more likely to collapse western democracy than a genuine UFO Disclosure project.

I have been plugging Indira Singh since 2002 - remember there was a high tide back then with the Citizens 911 investigation and McKinney handing Rummy his ass in a sling?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr5np6SD8oo

The trend to more and more physical evidence seems to have stemmed from around this time, when nothing happened. New people came along who seemed to have an interest in a different slant - and why not? If people share a common purpose, then why not let each person respect the process of the others and just get on with doing THEIR own best?

Jeff, have you been in contact with Indira Singh?
What could you / we at this board do to assist her?

[nomo]

Oh, hai guyz, Im back.

Did I miss anything?





Page nine of the thread, and people are making fun of other's *usernames*?

The mind boggles.

Typical. I'll leave you guys to it, then.

Kthxbi.

[orz]

Without even knowing what they mean, at that.

Business as usual.