Why I'll Never Support Interventionist Warmonger Obama

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Postby Eldritch » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:27 pm

professorpan wrote:
And he doesn't sing songs about it either!

(How I hate those musical presidents.)


If you think Obama's quote -- about going after particular individuals, with the provision that there is actionable intelligence warranting it, is on the same level as JOKING ABOUT INCINERATING OR GIVING CANCER TO AN ENTIRE COUNTRY, then, my friend, you are one tone-deaf motherfucker! :-)


Of course it isn't at the same level—that's why Obama is "McSame Lite." :wink:

And I'm not a "motherfucker," tone deaf or otherwise. (I was a bottle baby—my mother liked me "as a friend." :D)
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Postby professorpan » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:31 pm

Of course it isn't at the same level—that's why Obama is "McSame Lite."


Well, if McSame Lite results in fewer incinerated Iranians, or maybe none at all, I'll take him.

ON EDIT: We will wind up with one of two men as president -- McMegaDeath, or MaybeWhoKnowsMightBeorMightNotBeMegadeath. I'll take the lighter serving of death -- why would you accept a DoubleMcMegaDeath with cheese if you had a low-fat, lower-death count alternative?
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Postby Eldritch » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:32 pm

professorpan wrote:
Of course it isn't at the same level—that's why Obama is "McSame Lite."


Well, if McSame Lite results in fewer incinerated Iranians, or maybe none at all, I'll take him.


He's yours, baby!—all yours. :wink:

(And, he's "available.")
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CYNTHIA MCKINNEY: How the Democrats Helped Bush...

Postby ninakat » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:33 pm

It's Time for Real Change
How the Democrats Helped Bush Hijack the Country

By Cynthia McKinney

28/08/08 "ICH" -- - Our country has been hijacked and the Democrats have proven themselves to have been in on the plan. When it came to the Constitution, the Democratic leadership showed us that aiding and abetting illegal spying on us was more important to them than protecting our civil liberties.

When it came to war and occupation, the Democratic leadership showed us that financing an illegal and immoral war, based on lies, was more important to them than the people's desire for peace.

And when the people, hurting from the financial mismanagement of this country, called for accountability for the crimes that have been committed against the people here, against the global community, against nature, itself, the Democratic leadership took impeachment off the table!

Grassroots Democratic Party activists want a livable wage! A "Medicare-for-all" type of health care system, repeal of the Bush tax cuts that have ushered in the greatest income inequality in this country since the Great Depression. But the Democratic Party has shown itself to be incapable of providing even a semblance of the values even of its own activists.

The Democratic Party's national leadership didn't even mention Hurricanes Katrina and Rita survivors in their Congressional agenda for the first 100 days.

The Democratic Party's national leadership gave us the Iran Naval Blockade bill, the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, and telecom immunity. They continue to fund war and occupation to the tune of $720 million a day while our children graduate from college tens--or even hundreds--of thousands of dollars in debt. Entire cities are going into receivership while the Democratic leadership in Congress gives the Pentagon one half trillion dollars annually with no accountability, no strings attached. That's over and above spending for war.

Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo are the hallmarks of the new U.S. gulag Democrats are helping to create.

They want us to believe that China and Russia are our enemies, in addition to the 60 countries on Dick Cheney's list. They want us to believe that workers, who come to this country to support thier families after Democratic leadership in the country saddl3ed workers with NAFTA, are our enemies. But we are here today to declare that we know who the real enemies are: those false patriots that George Washington warned us of, who wrap themselves in the flag while betraying our values.

We are the true patriots!

We know that the strength of this country lies in the way it countenances dissent. And we are here to dissent. We are not deterred by reports of sleek, new detention facilities or recently-acquired taser guns that kill. For we come to dissent in peace. Indeed, we dissent for peace.

Today, we declare our independence from conformity and "go-along-to-get-along" politics. We declare our willingness to be radical in pursuit of peace and in our hunger for justice. We can see clearly now who the real stickup artists are and that's why we're in Denver!

Our actions here this week begin the disarming of the hijackers. We no longer are afraid. And we won't be deceived. We know that a vote for the Democrats is a vote for more war in Afghanistan and other parts of the world.

But today, we are now free.

Free to stand on the four pillars guiding our political engagement: environmental wisdom, peace, grassroots democratcy, and social justice. And finally, we know our power. We know the power of the people. We know that true power rests in the hands of the people. People who are willing to take a stand.

We need look no further than Haiti, Code,I'voire, Spain, and India to see the power of the people at the ballot box. No further than Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Nicaragua, and Paraguay to know that if they can do it, so can we.

Provided our elections are fair!

And if the Democrats cave in, in the face of fraud, disfranchisement, and theft, then we will be there to demand election integrity!

All over this country, the signs are there. People from New York to Florida, Washington State to California, Colorado to Texas are liberating themselves. We must not stop! Our country is worth it! Let's take our country back! Power to the People!

Cynthia McKinney is the Green Party's nominee for president.

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potty talk

Postby marmot » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:36 pm

professorpan wrote:you are one tone-deaf motherfucker! :-)


Uhm,, could someone please report this tone of language to one of the mods?
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Re: potty talk

Postby Eldritch » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:37 pm

marmot wrote:
professorpan wrote:you are one tone-deaf motherfucker! :-)


Uhm,, could someone please report this tone of language to one of the mods?


That could get into that whole "self-reporting" thing.

Fr. Murphy said that can cause blindness.
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Postby barracuda » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:06 pm

Wow - 9 pages in ten hours. That's gotta be a record.

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Postby Jeff » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:09 pm

I'm old enough to remember 2004, when many Democrats, Joe Biden included, were slavering at the prospect of nominating John McCain as John Kerry's running mate. Now, of course, he's worse than Bush. And he may pick Al Gore's Vice Presidential candidate as his running mate.

I know how people could get exercised about the theatre, but how can they take it seriously?
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Postby barracuda » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:19 pm

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Postby Eldritch » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:33 pm

Jeff wrote:I'm old enough to remember 2004, when many Democrats, Joe Biden included, were slavering at the prospect of nominating John McCain as John Kerry's running mate. Now, of course, he's worse than Bush. And he may pick Gore's Vice Presidential candidate as his running mate.

I know how people could get exercised about the theatre, but how can they take it seriously?


Jeff, I have absolutely no idea. And frankly, it's heartbreaking to watch. The only thing more destitute than "hopelessness" itself is the cruel promise of "false hope."

"Hopelessness" is a gentle trap compared to the deceitful snare of "false hope"—for "false hope" cunningly lures its prey, deeper into the pit of captivity with the expectation of escape.

"So here it is: they've won," you wrote recently. "Or let me rephrase that, since there will never be universal agreement as to who 'they' are: we've lost."

It takes a lot of guts to write something like that these days, especially in a civilization living under the tyranny of "positive thinking." But the sooner "the hopeful" recognize the clear truth of that message, the sooner real hope may actually become a possibility.
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He shines!!

Postby marmot » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:39 pm

Well I'm watching the Obama party nomination acceptance speech on television cause they preempted my Steeler game... And I kinda resented him, at first, but now that I'm watching the Man he's kinda growing on me, he's so likable and presidential... He really shines!! And he's promising me the World!!

Goodness, Yes, This IS Our Next President!

And now I'm utterly convinced this is all Theatre!!!

McCain was chosen by his party, because the Republican controllers want a Democratic Win. Both parties are being played off each other, And they answer to the same Master. McCain was chosen, Just like Bob Dole was chosen to change the presidency over to the other party.

I see it now, It's been decided from above for Obama to be our next leader.

Unless we have some sort of October surprise, I'm betting on Obama. Didn't say I was voting for him, just said I'm betting he'll be our next president.
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Re: He shines!!

Postby chlamor » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:54 pm

marmot wrote:Well I'm watching the Obama party nomination acceptance speech on television cause they preempted my Steeler game... And I kinda resented him, at first, but now that I'm watching the Man he's kinda growing on me, he's so likable and presidential... He really shines!! And he's promising me the World!!

Goodness, Yes, This IS Our Next President!

And now I'm utterly convinced this is all Theatre!!!

McCain was chosen by his party, because the Republican controllers want a Democratic Win. Both parties are being played off each other, And they answer to the same Master. McCain was chosen, Just like Bob Dole was chosen to change the presidency over to the other party.

I see it now, It's been decided from above for Obama to be our next leader.

Unless we have some sort of October surprise, I'm betting on Obama. Didn't say I was voting for him, just said I'm betting he'll be our next president.


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They, too, are chanting: Yes, we can…! Yes, we can…! They'll happily chant it until a new administration enters the White House in January, inheriting that pistol and that piece of rubble, inheriting an American world in deep trouble and a planet spinning on a dime. And then they'll take their enthusiasm off to another eternal present where children are being shot up by some maniac, or giant buildings are collapsing into dust, or some celeb is heading for the nearest dry-out clinic. They'll walk away happy into another present, leaving the rest of us high and dry. Yes, they can…!

And now, yes I can… pop the popcorn in that hot-air popper, melt the butter, and settle in front of my TV with my crucial electoral tool, the channel zapper, in hand to prepare for the most epic battle of all, Super Tuesday, not to speak of all the epic, historic, thrilling battles to come. Don't call me for the next few months, I'll call you.

Just for a moment, though, let me turn that screen black, step out, head for my local polling place, and... well, you know... make the epic gesture.

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Postby marmot » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:01 pm

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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:13 pm

"Hush children, the end is almost here" said the Hopemunculus.

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marmot wrote:
professorpan wrote:you are one tone-deaf motherfucker! :-)


Uhm,, could someone please report this tone of language to one of the mods?


Why? The average age here is 30-60 years old. You hear worse language on a playground.



Did you guys see the crowd erupt when Obama said how he'd take it to the "people who did 9/11" and only he will get Osama?

The new slogan "Only Obama can get Osama!"

I was saying out loud, "how is continuing the war in Afghanistan 'Change'"?

Jeff wrote:I'm old enough to remember 2004, when many Democrats, Joe Biden included, were slavering at the prospect of nominating John McCain as John Kerry's running mate. Now, of course, he's worse than Bush. And he may pick Al Gore's Vice Presidential candidate as his running mate.

I know how people could get exercised about the theatre, but how can they take it seriously?


It's so bizarre, how Lieberman went from being the VP of the guy whose election got stolen from him...to being a top neocon. Politics is like professional wrestling almost
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:20 pm

marmot wrote:

I see it now, It's been decided from above for Obama to be our next leader.

Unless we have some sort of October surprise, I'm betting on Obama. Didn't say I was voting for him, just said I'm betting he'll be our next president.


Finally people are getting it:)

Barring the deep state mind controlling some neo Nazi "lone gunmen", or deciding to Diebold in favor of Mccain, I think in January we'll be seeing
The Inauguration of the Hopemunculus. All our collective egregoric hopes and dreams encapsulated in a wunderkammer of uncertainty.
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