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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:50 pm

Do we know for certain that Jeff has quit blogging for good?


Nah.

Eve was hanging around Jeff's blog before Theresa died. It's debatable whether she had ever heard of Theresa Duncan. I can speculate on a motive for her wanting to take down Jeff's blog, though. She claims to be a good friend of Jeff Gannon. Oh,my, Jeff G took her to the White House, don't you know? Gag. And our Jeff was friends with Andy Stephenson, who was one of the first that I remember pointing to Gannon's possible likeness to Johnny Gosch. Although, I'm not sure why that would have mattered to her. What's the name of the guy who outed Gannon as a gay prostitute? It'd be interesting to know more about him. Anyway, did they all come out of DU, our Jeff, Andy, and the one who outed Gannon? Well, Eve is a right-winger, just like Gannon, so I'm sure she'd love to have done as much damage there as possible.
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Postby monkeytribe23 » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:48 pm

is it possible it was all just a game by one pissed off person with no real purpose other than to be an asshole?


[sigh]... or perhaps that should be [arg...]

can we pick up where we left off then?

i think the version of the Franck Fontaine incident as put forth by Jaques Vallee and the obvious nexus of Puharich around all those channelling "The Nine" are fairly proof positive that intelligence services DO fake UFO abduction and contact scenarios for their own nefarious ends. Using some forms of drugs and hypnosis.

So... Why?
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Postby Plutonia » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:27 am

Wow. Deja vu.

I followed DE's adventures pretty closely and I can tell ya'll that DE was as thorough as he could be without a financial backer: He called the NYPD, the officer in charge of the Blake case, the dentist that ID'd Blake, St. Marks and even Blake's dad. I'm sure that I've missed some. Anyway, none satisfied his rigor. He begged people in New York to go do some leg-work for him.

I believe that in the end, he concluded that he'd been kicking at what was supposed to be a "white-op" or counter-psy-operation - A Wit Lunar Society post points in that direction albeit very obliquely - and was mucking up a lot of people's time and creative effort. "DE broke something that cannot be fixed" or whatever it was.

IMO, EVE was mostly opportunist but also nasty like Co$ lackeys, so I wouldn't rule that out. The gaslighting then would have mostly been damage control by the "white hats." That's if DE was right. Didn't he say that in hindsight, he may have been vetted in the weeks before the shitstorm by some creepy guy who totally put him off?

As for me, I got hooked at about 7 days in because I recognized the state that DE was in from my own experience of being gaslighted IRL. A profoundly disorientating state of emotional/psychic shock can be induced with a bit of apparently unwarranted and well-directed hostility. In that state it really is hard to discern the real from the not-so-much. I never worried for him tho (I got thru worse) as he proved himself to be entertainingly wily and resilient.

Anyway, I'm glad to see people talking about this again.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:31 am

monkeytribe23 said:
i think the version of the Franck Fontaine incident as put forth by Jaques Vallee and the obvious nexus of Puharich around all those channelling "The Nine" are fairly proof positive that intelligence services DO fake UFO abduction and contact scenarios for their own nefarious ends. Using some forms of drugs and hypnosis.

So... Why?


Perhaps because they have good reasons for conducting whatever mind control/social engineering experiments they're doing at any given time upon human guinea pigs who are completely unwitting. Perhaps they're malignant narcissists and/or sociopaths who enjoy playing games with human minds and lives AND getting paid for it. Given the number of us who recall sexual slavery of one sort or another, perhaps they've become accustomed to getting a little on the side from a victim who can't say no and isn't likely to ever be in a position to carry out retribution.

But I'm open to other suggestions. Figuring out these creeps' motivations and goals has become my hobby, sort of, at this point in my life.

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Postby chiggerbit » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:32 am

Plutonia said:

I believe that in the end, he concluded that he'd been kicking at what was supposed to be a "white-op" or counter-psy-operation - A Wit Lunar Society post points in that direction albeit very obliquely - and was mucking up a lot of people's time and creative effort. "DE broke something that cannot be fixed" or whatever it was.

IMO, EVE was mostly opportunist but also nasty like Co$ lackeys, so I wouldn't rule that out. The gaslighting then would have mostly been damage control by the "white hats." That's if DE was right. Didn't he say that in hindsight, he may have been vetted in the weeks before the shitstorm by some creepy guy who totally put him off?


See, this is where I'm wondering if the "operation", assuming there might have been one, gets mis-identified by DE's gang, with regards to the TD/JB events. I keep coming back to DE's writings prior to TD as being the possible target, but using TD as the means of slaughtering his credibility. Not that DE didn't help them out. Just ~wondering~ :wave:
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Postby hava1 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:41 pm

This is precisely what i am wondering about, what IS a "white operation" or "anti spy op", is that when the "good guys" get to kidnap and torture innocent people for info ? or toture and and abuse people who might be of value to the "really bad guys" ? or is an "anti spy" op, one in which you are allowed to con and misrepresent facts for "the good cause" while all the idiots out there do not know ?

or otherwise how do u distinguish between a black op and white op ?
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quote="Plutonia"]Wow. Deja vu.


I believe that in the end, he concluded that he'd been kicking at what was supposed to be a "white-op" or counter-psy-operation - A Wit Lunar Society post points in that direction albeit very obliquely - and was mucking up a lot of people's time and creative effort. "DE broke something that cannot be fixed" or whatever it was.

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I wish hava1 ("zOMG her nam3 is 'EVE'!!!11!") would be more specific at times, but don't think that's coming forward.
to nathan, from ZOG, yes I am one of the elders of Zion, in fact, and my name is Eve the Evil Israeli Jew who eats Arab children with my Mazta.

But if u were sincere, my Hava is short for Havanagila(my previous username on this board, where if u look u can see the exchanges with DE and JC and whoever in 2006, actually since 2004), not really related to your omni-perp lady (i wish i had half the English proficiency as any of the sophisticated posters here, bad or good). Anyway, i was surprised to find out that posters like Penguin DO speak the old language, so you can ask others here, what Havanagila stands for.



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Postby Foote Hertz » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:21 pm

hava1 wrote:This is precisely what i am wondering about, what IS a "white operation" or "anti spy op"


i think a repurposing of the ARG playbook as described in this article is what is meant by a "white operation"

http://www.sfweekly.com/content/printVersion/531576

Future Games
She wants to harness the power of the communal cerebellum her games create and put it to work solving real-world problems

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McGonigal doesn't seem to get tired of explaining the promise of ARGs — in the last two months, she gave six talks on the subject. But she must be looking forward to the day when she can skip the half-hour of her talk that shows that she's not crazy, and get straight to what she wants to do next: Make sure a game designer wins a Nobel Prize by the year 2032.

McGonigal has been thinking about the deeper meaning of ARGs since Sept. 11, 2001. The very first ARG, a game called The Beast that promoted the movie A.I. , had recently ended. On that day, when gamers turned on the news and saw smoke bellowing from the Twin Towers, they flocked to the forum where they had spent so much time during the game. "One of the strongest responses they had was, we can probably do a better job solving this than the authorities, because we have been trained as this collective detective," McGonigal says. "I actually thought this was great."

After an intense debate, the players decided it wasn't appropriate to "game 9/11," and opted for more traditional ways to help. But the impulse to apply their skills came up again and again. They talked about getting involved in the hunt for the Beltway sniper in 2002, and also proposed an investigation into government waste in federal spending.

None of those projects got off the ground. Straight reality, it turns out, is less dependably fun than games. There are no puppetmasters to dole out clues, keeping players interested and on track. Players aren't guaranteed a stunning conclusion. Players might not have access to the information they need. Still, the gamers' urge to use their collective power remains. McGonigal gets e-mails all the time, she says, with former players basically begging her: "Help us use our brains!"
-end quote-

EVE might not be such a bad egg, just a heavy handed self-appointed puppetmaster who gets frustated when her clues misfire. Perhaps [obviously] she can't come right out and say whatever it is that needs to be said. Perhaps Duncan did. My understanding is that death by Tylenol PM is a slow painful death over several days, not a couple of hours.

Or EVE is doing her thing for kicks. Twisted. Maybe. Whatever. An annoying person.

As for anagrams, "B. F. Kade" makes B[lake] D[uncan] Fake.

Nice summary of DE's Duncan work, Mr. Kade. Wasn't there also a report, an unreliable internet background check, that put Duncan in Jacksonville and FPOs in Jacksonville and on a Navy vessel based out of Jacksonville? Jacksonville.
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Postby xsicbastardx » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:42 pm

Ok....so why not on mention of Scientology by name in that KAde's Korner piece? Seems Odd.


....and wouldn't be down right spooky if Kidman ends up playing Theresa Duncan in the movie?....
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Postby Penguin » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:48 pm

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325005/
Antikiller

Former criminal investigator, Major Korenev, nicknamed Fox is released from prison. He has been detained there as a result of planted incriminating evidence of unlawful investigation techniques. Setting accounts with Shaman - a big criminal boss, who ordered the evidence planted and also with his former colleagues was not a part of Korenev's agenda. As he returns to Moscow he finds a new world ruled by underworld bosses, criminal clans fighting each other and utter chaos on the desperately keeping appearances streets of Russian capital. Facing death of his friends, Major Korenev decides to re-install law and order using some unorthodox methods that are only relevant in 21st century Russia.

Badass russian movie. Sorry for semi-OT. See that one.
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Postby Penguin » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:51 pm

hava1 wrote:. Anyway, i was surprised to find out that posters like Penguin DO speak the old language, so you can ask others here, what Havanagila stands for.


Actually I dont speak or understand hebrew :/

But from online:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hava_Nagila
"Hava Nagila" (הבה נגילה in Hebrew) is a Hebrew folk song, the title meaning "Let us rejoice". It is a song of celebration, especially popular amongst Jewish and Roma communities, and is a staple of band performers at Jewish festivals.

Ive played that song too :)
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Postby Col. Quisp » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:13 pm

Another anagram for BF Kade: B(lake) faked

Is BF Kade Eve's sockpuppet, one wonders?
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Postby chiggerbit » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:16 pm

It's a stretch, but I got this hit on James Fries. Remember Duncan's interest in the history of electricity?

Texture Discrimination Based Upon an Assumed Stochastic Texture Model
Modestino, James W. Fries, Robert W. Vickers, Acie L.
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This paper appears in: Pattern Analysis and Machine Intelligence, IEEE Transactions on
Publication Date: Sept. 1981
Volume: PAMI-3, Issue: 5
On page(s): 557-580
ISSN: 0162-8828
Digital Object Identifier: 10.1109/TPAMI.1981.4767148
Current Version Published: 2009-01-27





Abstract
A new approach to texture discrimination is described. This approach is based upon an assumed stochastic model for texture in imagery and is an approximation to the statistically optimum maximum likelihood classifier. The construction and properties of the stochastic texture model are described and a digital filtering implementation of the resulting maximum likelihood texture discriminant is provided. The efficacy of this approach is demonstrated through experimental results obtained with simulated texture data. A comparison is provided with more conventional texture discriminants under identical conditions. The implications to texture discrimination in realworld imagery are discussed.



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Postby hava1 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:49 pm

Penguin, that's probably my conclusion from your response to some hebrew words on chat, and misunderstanding. U said ur parents were missionaries in israel, so i put those two things together...

well, if u don't speak hebrew, its never too late to learn.

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Postby Col. Quisp » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:00 pm

Derf....I get it now...we've all been duped into unwitting participation in a demented ARG.

i fold.

Except I need to find out who set this whole social experiment up!
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Re: terms

Postby Penguin » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:07 pm

hava1 wrote:Penguin, that's probably my conclusion from your response to some hebrew words on chat, and misunderstanding. U said ur parents were missionaries in israel, so i put those two things together...

well, if u don't speak hebrew, its never too late to learn.

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Not parents, grandones... :P
I wouldnt mind knowing hebrew, and some half a dozen other ones. Im just too lazy to learn..I try to read some stuff in the languages I do know to at least be able to understand written stuff. Im horrible at speaking anything besides english :D

Know just swedish, english and german in addition to native. And I understand written dutch pretty well, it shares so much with swedish, english and german all of them.

Id love to know saami, the native northern language, and greek and latin.
Saami is really beautiful, just like the northern wilderness. Especially sung.
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