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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Nordic » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:21 pm

Throwing out labels like "right" and "left" displays a lack of understanding of how the universe actually works.

Considering that the owner of this board keeps trotting out his "this is not a fascist board" nonsense while allowing people who are obviously zionist fascists to post is a perfect example. He should know better, and he doesn't. Apparently in the Canadian dictionary defines "fascism" as "jew hating" and nothing else.

So well-meaning intelligent people can't even have a proper understanding of the word "fascism". "Right" and "left" are currently terms used to simply divide and conquer the populance.

So is this a left-leaning board? I thought, or I used to think, that this was a board that was in a search for the truth. If you think the truth has a left-wing bias, well, that's your problem.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:39 pm

Nordic wrote:Throwing out labels like "right" and "left" displays a lack of understanding of how the universe actually works.

Considering that the owner of this board keeps trotting out his "this is not a fascist board" nonsense while allowing people who are obviously zionist fascists to post is a perfect example. He should know better, and he doesn't. Apparently in the Canadian dictionary defines "fascism" as "jew hating" and nothing else.

So well-meaning intelligent people can't even have a proper understanding of the word "fascism". "Right" and "left" are currently terms used to simply divide and conquer the populance.

So is this a left-leaning board? I thought, or I used to think, that this was a board that was in a search for the truth. If you think the truth has a left-wing bias, well, that's your problem.


I think it may just so happen to be a fine line between maintaining a non heavy handed atmosphere. Didn't Jeff say no personal flames -- just nothing personal. No matter what anyone may think of him, I don't think 17 ever crossed that line. I picture Jeff's hands as tied on this one. To maintain board integrity, I think those here have done a good enough job of having a self contained immune system -- in my mind we have all done a pretty good job. This includes you too, Nordic. Places like this are always going to attract trolls and agitators. It's like an anarchist punk show and then the skins show up and start busting heads. They do it to provoke a reaction and to ultimately break down the community of joints like this. We merely need be rigorous and intuitive.

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby operator kos » Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:57 pm

Nordic wrote:Throwing out labels like "right" and "left" displays a lack of understanding of how the universe actually works.

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So is this a left-leaning board? I thought, or I used to think, that this was a board that was in a search for the truth. If you think the truth has a left-wing bias, well, that's your problem.


I really must disagree when people claim there's no difference between left and right. It's quite a popular claim in conspiracy circles, but it's simply not true. Sure, Democrats and Republicans are pretty much the same on many major issues. But in that case we're talking about two right-wing parties, so that should hardly be surprising.

Right-wingers think that business should be completely unregulated, and that those who can't survive in a free market should be left to die. Lefties, varying by type and degree, believe in something much the opposite.

Universal TRUTH is not bound by such distinctions, but they are actually rather important on the human level in our societies.

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Simulist » Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:14 pm

There's The Left and The Right and, yeah, those two things are quite different.

Then there's the "left" hand and the "right" hand of the current American political monster.

And the difference is... not so much.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Nordic » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:11 pm

I'm only back on the assumption that the fascist troll was finally banned. I'm not quite sure if he was or not.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby DrVolin » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:42 pm

Right, left, up, down. I'm an anarcho-pessimist. I'm a left-wing libertarian with carefully controlled autocratic tendencies. I'm a big government free market type, an egalitarian with a pathologically massive superiority complex. I'm a pacifist with a large portfolio of defense stocks. I'm a free speech or death fanatic who can't stand what most other people have to say. I'm a mind controlled freedom fighter wearing an insurgent tag. I'm a gun control advocating ubran survivalist with an arsenal. I'm a family values don't ask don't tell gay marriage supporter. I'm an anti-nazi, anti-zionist, anti-islamist Bismarck admiring real politik philosopher. I'm a techy luddite with a satellite wifi cabin in the wilderness. In a one dimensional circle world, I'm left of extreme right and right of extreme left. In an n-dimensional space projected on a taurus, I'm everywhere and nowhere. Can I post here?
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby barracuda » Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:47 pm

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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:00 am

DrVolin wrote:Right, left, up, down. I'm an anarcho-pessimist. I'm a left-wing libertarian with carefully controlled autocratic tendencies. I'm a big government free market type, an egalitarian with a pathologically massive superiority complex. I'm a pacifist with a large portfolio of defense stocks. I'm a free speech or death fanatic who can't stand what most other people have to say. I'm a mind controlled freedom fighter wearing an insurgent tag. I'm a gun control advocating ubran survivalist with an arsenal. I'm a family values don't ask don't tell gay marriage supporter. I'm an anti-nazi, anti-zionist, anti-islamist Bismarck admiring real politik philosopher. I'm a techy luddite with a satellite wifi cabin in the wilderness. In a one dimensional circle world, I'm left of extreme right and right of extreme left. In an n-dimensional space projected on a taurus, I'm everywhere and nowhere. Can I post here?


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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby wintler2 » Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:05 am

There is a difference between Left & Right, but they are closer than either is to Green/ecological awareness. MSM calls Green 'extreme Left' as a matter of rhetorical simplicity, but they lie, mostly due to ignorance. Both Left & Right carry a host of crappy judeo-christian assumptions that have been demonstrably false for centuries, but those assumptions continue to serve the accumulation of power and so are kept on.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:29 am

I've always considered myself a Commonsensian.

And mainly what I was referring to earlier was the labels as they are used these days. Which is inappropriately.

Personally I don't give a shit if something is labelled one way or another, I've never cared for labels of any kind because they're traps.

All I care about is the truth, and common sense for the common good.

If you're thinking "for a guy who doesn't like labels, he sure does throw out the "fascism" one pretty quickly" well, yes, I do. But only when it's deserved and fucking obvious to the point of being a cliche.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby operator kos » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:32 am

I'm on the side with butter on it, I am.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby compared2what? » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:33 am

Just addressing the question posed by the OP:

No, I don't think so at all. I wouldn't say that it was even preponderately left-wing. Ron Paul has the most conservative voting record of any member of the lower house ever, in history, since there's been one, for example, and he's got a pretty sizable following here.

And even though Alex Jones isn't the quotable-with-pride popular favorite he used to be a year or two, his worldview, his go-to subjects, and his talking points -- none of which you could exactly call left-wing at all, let along left-wing only -- still make fairly frequent and regular appearances, in one form or another.

I think it would be fair to say that there's usually -- though not always -- a perceptible majority RI view on most major issues. But where each falls on the ideological spectrum is kind of an ad hoc thing.
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:46 am

I posted this in the conformity video thread. In short, RI isn't pro-left. It's pro correct and pro majority (as in most people welfare in accordance with the golden rule's conception of freedom and not pro-majority as the majority's attitude in this or that idea)...


From the heart: I completely agree that a need to abandon a left/right way of describing social politics needs to be done for change to occur.

1) left/right gives the psychological impression that the "two" alternatives (and only two, either/or) are on par with each other. Their association with left/right is itself an association with lateral linear thinking. They are on the same "level". There is no hierarchy in this system. Thus, no way to determine root causes. Only attitudes and attitudes are spontaneous, random and enscribed by varied experience. How does one hope to bring about a synthesis from such a setup when there will always be division? i.e., It's "human nature" they say. Hence no free will.

2.) There is ony "corrrect" and "incorrect" insofar as what is universally deemed so - common respect, the golden rule. Being the left isn't being the right, which is being right - correct. Do you know that the word "sinister" means left? There is a deep tradition as to why. Right means right. So if most people naturally gravitate to a center-left (which I believe they do in the existing model, with flaws), then you need further psychological associations to distance them from recognizing their own empowerment.

3.) Most people are right handed, right legged. Most people are right-eyed dominant. When facing the north, the sun rises on the right. The west/left is where it falls, dark and death (moon is sin). Maps are made to view the right to the east. They could have just as easily been designed to face the other direction since the south for most of humanity has greater light - but that would empower the left rising sun. The place of the right-side is the place of the good and powerful in tradition, history and masonic mythology (my right-hand man, etc.). This attempts to edge out a righteous rightest (conservative) attitude preference above the left. The right is masculine, the left feminine. How many times have Limbaugh ilk described democrats as weak, faggots, or girly? An understanding of fascism shows a strong and well understood compartmentalization of the feminine. The feminine tendency has always been known to be more egalitarian. During times of turmoil (and turmoil is the new normal), the fascist rightest tendencies are embraced for its strength. Right is might.

4.) When lateral choices in this manner: 1, 2, 3, 4 - most choose the option behind door number 3 because their predisposed bias to the right side of their experience. - Preference theory, no citation.

5.) the right/left paradigm's inabillity to decide root causes because its inability to recognize hierarchy - gives rise to the perception of false hierarchies. Liberal elites and George Soros and ACORN. Conservative George W. Bush and not corporations.

Suppose instead of just liberal elites, or conservative elites, it could just be elites? This moves the thinking from a lateral to a hierachial, top-down perspective. This is threatening to the institutions that constitute that hierachy.

6.) Divide and conquer. Many people can root FANATICALLY for their home sports team. They idenify themselves through this association. Once this self-identification takes place, people cannot be easily divorced from choosing their side. People wear their sport teams jerseys, have it as wallpaper on their myspace profiles, introduce themselves as New York Yankees fans. No hierachy, means false hierachies, means wrong actions and attentions that have no threat to the actual hierarchies.

7.) Liberal and conservative are "tendencies" that don't fit the mold of left/right as well as political "scientists" love to believe. Liberal is a dictionary tendency to liberalism or dictionary libertarianism or freedom. Conservatism, is at it's root, conservation, a mere delay in the liberal tendency while debating the right course of action toward the liberated freedom. The utopian idealized idea is to work toward full freedom until other's freedom is infringed.

"Liberal" is co-opted as something bad. Just as "democrat" is co-opted as something bad, and not say, one who espouses democracy - a disempowerment of hierarchy. A Republican, the one supported by rightists, is one who merely espouses a republican (representative) form of government - which isn't necessarily a democracy and not necessarily anti-hierachial. The meanings are stolen. The fact that "conservative" has more syllables than, "liberal" makes it more difficult to degrade into meaningful derision - see: niggers, spics, libs, commies, etc. What are we going to do? Call conservatives cons? Connies, er, conservies? Rightists (correctists)? This is an effect of Neuro-linguisitic Programming.

8.) When meaning are stolen: ie liberal = lucifer, conservative = pro-life (who isn't pro-life anyway?), it is impossible to communicate. This is evidenced by our very own political process. There is no "debate" as a means toward greater freedom. Merely stolen ideas meaning the opposite to opposite people as a means to disempower.

Gee, I guess since you aren't pro-life, for life, you are against life and love. Is that it?

9.) Liberals even abandoned the "liberal" monicker in favor of a potentially left/right transcending "progressive". This confirms that "liberals" are the ones needing to redefine themselves, thus they are the weaker, and perhaps therefore also the more incorrect "side", and the minority. Even minorities are liberals. Closer inspection shows "liberals" not even able to get along with each other. Self-described socialist and communists/anarchists, liberal politicians and libertarian free-marketers have little in-common. One would even say, often, they are diametrically opposed. The "left" being the people's greater inclination, is more so, even more fractured. Some don't realize this fracturing is the result of it being a "people's party". Why else, are blacks, whites, hispanics, commies, liberal democrats, etc, grouped together, versus a near homogenous conservative rightist coalition? Hierachies need this setup to disempower the "anarchies". Rightists love to believe that the media is liberal. Reactionary liberals act the defensive. Whereas the true system shows the media hierarchy as being both in practice and organizationally pro-hierachy.

To progress forward is to move forward from left/right determinations. Now to be progressive is to be left, which is to be... etc...

10.) The left/right paradigm gives false alternatives. The extreme left of the left side is Communism, the extreme right of the right side is fascism. Both are totalitarian and extremely hierarchial. The only sensible option is to find "middle" ground, or constant compromise in the center. The center is a realm of compromise with fascists and hierachists. Compromise with them, is giving into their tendency. Some espouse the middle/center as to what is really the divorced left/right paradigm. "I'm open-minded, hence i'm middle center". Furthermore, even the meaning of communism is completely divorced of meaning. Notice it's the left "side" that is divorced of this meaning? Communism means worker control of industry (capital generators). This means disempowerment of hierarchy to a degree because everyone is a worker, it means a democracy more radical (to the root) than the current state of affairs. The difference between fascism and communism was supposedly that fascism is a hierachy involving "capitalism" (a whole other conversation) + government, while communism is a hierachy involving government. Wow, the difference is stunning...

Anarchism is radical democracy. Radical democracy is for the criminals supposedly, and not as Chomsky describes: not a rejection of government, but a rejection of illegitimate government, government that isn't by democratic consensus.

Workers were never in control in Russia. They were as communist as America is democratic. China had even less of a pretense of democratic communism - yet the history books are written. Who are the victors?
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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby barracuda » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:03 am

Nordic wrote:Considering that the owner of this board keeps trotting out his "this is not a fascist board" nonsense while allowing people who are obviously zionist fascists to post is a perfect example. He should know better, and he doesn't. Apparently in the Canadian dictionary defines "fascism" as "jew hating" and nothing else.


I'm not sure that "jew hating" even qualifies as fascism per se, though if you're like me, it is one of the useful benchmarks for determining just what kind of person you happen to find yourself consorting with and making decisions as to whether or not that particular consorting should continue. I doubt if it's even a standard mandatiory party platform in every version of national socialism one might happen upon historically. It's just happens to be a handy tropism to use for whatever political purpose you have at hand, mostly due to always being nearby and easily within reach, within the sphere of popular non-thinking and mindless hate hovering about a skin's thickness below the veneer of most western societies you might think of since nearly the invention of western societies with jews in them.

Nordic wrote:I'm only back on the assumption that the fascist troll was finally banned. I'm not quite sure if he was or not.


That doesn't seem like a very mature attitude, to be honest.

compared2what? wrote:No, I don't think so at all.


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Re: is this board for the left-wing only?

Postby Nordic » Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:33 am

Great take on it, Occult Mean Hidden. That's some good stuff.
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