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Re: Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

Postby Montag » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:42 pm

Wow, that's a first I've heard Global Research called Larouchite. They publish everyone from pure communists to libertarians. That's just slanderous, do you have a source on that? There's a professor I had in college who regularly contributes to Global Research, I'm sure he'd be fascinated to find out he contributes to a Larouchite rag.

I'm sure Danny Schecter, David Swanson, Cindy Sheehan, Kevin Zeese, Ralph Nader and many others would love to hear that too.

What a vicious smear, I guess now I know how low below the belt the hits are going to land.
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Re: Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

Postby Plutonia » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:44 pm

Okay, too busy to post yesterday, feel like I missed a party.

Thanks Jack (for all your work cross-linking, a tidy solution) and Barracuda (for responding– was it this thread?! Oh snap!!).

I guess we'll just deal with our present schizoid condition then. :jumping:

So...

I’ve been looking to see what geeks say about Wikileaks because they’re the ones that actually do understand the internet, it’s architecture, potentialities and limitations, and because Assange comes from that culture, the ideologies of that community are actually likely to have informed his activities. For example torrent sites and piracy exist because geeks have an ethic of sharing information and therefore content. That’s not politics, it’s a practical policy because the internet is still being made and collaboration is built into it’s form and:
"It works like an ant colony, where the collective intelligence of the network supersedes any single contributor."

That's from this Wired article- it's long and not germane in every respect but I've highlighted the parts that should be of interest to you all:
Open Source Everywhere

Software is just the beginning … open source is doing for mass innovation what the assembly line did for mass production. Get ready for the era when collaboration replaces the corporation.

By Thomas Goetz

Cholera is one of those 19th-century ills that, like consumption or gout, at first seems almost quaint, a malady from an age when people suffered from maladies. But in the developing world, the disease is still widespread and can be gruesomely lethal. When cholera strikes an unprepared community, people get violently sick immediately. On day two, severe dehydration sets in. By day seven, half of a village might be dead.

Since cholera kills by driving fluids from the body, the treatment is to pump liquid back in, as fast as possible. The one proven technology, an intravenous saline drip, has a few drawbacks. An easy-to-use, computer-regulated IV can cost $2,000 - far too expensive to deploy against a large outbreak. Other systems cost as little as 35 cents, but they're too complicated for unskilled caregivers. The result: People die unnecessarily.

"It's a health problem, but it's also a design problem," says Timothy Prestero, a onetime Peace Corps volunteer who cofounded a group called Design That Matters. Leading a team of MIT engineering students, Prestero, who has master's degrees in mechanical and oceanographic engineering, focused on the drip chamber and pinch valve controlling the saline flow rate.

But the team needed more medical expertise. So Prestero turned to ThinkCycle, a Web-based industrial-design project that brings together engineers, designers, academics, and professionals from a variety of disciplines. Soon, some physicians and engineers were pitching in - vetting designs and recommending new paths. Within a few months, Prestero's team had turned the suggestions into an ingenious solution. Taking inspiration from a tool called a rotameter used in chemical engineering, the group crafted a new IV system that's intuitive to use, even for untrained workers. Remarkably, it costs about $1.25 to manufacture, making it ideal for mass deployment. Prestero is now in talks with a medical devices company; the new IV could be in the field a year from now.

ThinkCycle's collaborative approach is modeled on a method that for more than a decade has been closely associated with software development: open source. It's called that because the collaboration is open to all and the source code is freely shared. Open source harnesses the distributive powers of the Internet, parcels the work out to thousands, and uses their piecework to build a better whole - putting informal networks of volunteer coders in direct competition with big corporations. It works like an ant colony, where the collective intelligence of the network supersedes any single contributor.

Open source, of course, is the magic behind Linux, the operating system that is transforming the software industry. Linux commands a growing share of the server market worldwide and even has Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer warning of its "competitive challenge for us and for our entire industry." And open source software transcends Linux. Altogether, more than 65,000 collaborative software projects click along at Sourceforge.net, [What you can do to support Wikileaks: http://pyevolve.sourceforge.net/wordpress/?p=1409] a clearinghouse for the open source community. The success of Linux alone has stunned the business world.

The Ideals of Open Source

SHARE THE GOAL
Open source projects succeed when a broad group of contributors recognize the same need and agree on how to meet it. Linux gave programmers a way to build a better, leaner operating system; Woochi gives wine lovers an encyclopedia as refined as they are.

SHARE THE WORK
Projects can be broken down into smaller tasks and distributed among armies of volunteers for execution. Tim O�Reilly, whose namesake company runs the Open Source Convention, calls this the �architecture of participation,� and it is the irresistible genius of open source, a tool that no corporate model can match for the sheer brainpower it yokes. But architecture demands structure: a review process that screens for the best contributions and avoids the �fork� � that horrible prospect that a project will split into a multitude of side projects.

SHARE THE RESULT
Open source etiquette mandates that the code be available for anyone to tweak and that improvements to the code be shared with all. Substitute creation for code and the same goes outside of software. Think of it as the triumph of participation by the many over ownership by the few. � T.G.
But software is just the beginning. Open source has spread to other disciplines, from the hard sciences to the liberal arts. Biologists have embraced open source methods in genomics and informatics, building massive databases to genetically sequence E. coli, yeast, and other workhorses of lab research. NASA has adopted open source principles as part of its Mars mission, calling on volunteer "clickworkers" to identify millions of craters and help draw a map of the Red Planet. There is open source publishing: With Bruce Perens, who helped define open source software in the '90s, Prentice Hall is publishing a series of computer books open to any use, modification, or redistribution, with readers' improvements considered for succeeding editions. There are library efforts like Project Gutenberg, which has already digitized more than 6,000 books, with hundreds of volunteers typing in, page by page, classics from Shakespeare to Stendhal; at the same time, a related project, Distributed Proofreading, deploys legions of copy editors to make sure the Gutenberg texts are correct. There are open source projects in law and religion. There's even an open source cookbook.

In 2003, the method is proving to be as broadly effective - and, yes, as revolutionary - a means of production as the assembly line was a century ago.

In the Beginning

Message-ID:
1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.helsinki.fi
From: torvalds@klaava.helsinki.fi (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
To: Newsgroups: comp.os.inix
Subject: What would you like to see most in minix?
Summary: small poll for my new operating system

Hello everybody out there using minix-I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and professional like gnu) for 386 (486) AT clones. This has been brewing since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any feedback on things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat

Any suggestions are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)

Linus

Thousands of coders, hackers, and developers answered Linus Torvalds' call - and helped him build a robust system that continues to pick up steam. Yet what's amazing about Linux isn't its success in the market. The revolution is in the method, not the result. Open source involves a broad body of collaborators, typically volunteers, whose every contribution builds on those before. Just as important, the product of this collaboration is freely available to all comers. Of course, there are plenty of things that are collaborative and free but aren't really open source (Amazon.com's book reviews, for instance). And many projects aren't widely collaborative, or are somewhat proprietary, yet still in the spirit of open source (such as the music available from Opsound, an online record label). Not to mention that, as with any term newly in vogue, open source is often invoked on tenuous grounds. So think of it as a spectrum or - better still - a rising diagonal line on a graph, where openness lies on one axis and collaboration on the other. The higher an effort registers both concepts, the more fully it can be considered open source.

Of course, for all its novelty, open source isn't new. Dust off your Isaac Newton and you'll recognize the same ideals of sharing scientific methods and results in the late 1600s (dig deeper and you can follow the vein all the way back to Ptolemy, circa AD 150). Or roll up your sleeves and see the same ethic in Amish barn raising, a tradition that dates to the early 18th century. Or read its roots, as many have, in the creation of the Oxford English Dictionary, the 19th-century project where a network of far-flung etymologists built the world's greatest dictionary by mail. Or trace its outline in the Human Genome Project, the distributed gene-mapping effort that began just a year before Torvalds planted the seeds of his OS.

If the ideas behind it are so familiar and simple, why has open source only now become such a powerful force? Two reasons: the rise of the Internet and the excesses of intellectual property. The Internet is open source's great enabler, the communications tool that makes massive decentralized projects possible. Intellectual property, on the other hand, is open source's nemesis: a legal regime that has become so stifling and restrictive that thousands of free-thinking programmers, scientists, designers, engineers, and scholars are desperate to find new ways to create.

We are at a convergent moment, when a philosophy, a strategy, and a technology have aligned to unleash great innovation. Open source is powerful because it's an alternative to the status quo, another way to produce things or solve problems. And in many cases, it's a better way. Better because current methods are not fast enough [!!], or don't take advantage of our collective creative potential.

Open source has flourished in software because programming, for all the romance of guerrilla geeks and hacker ethics, is a fairly precise discipline; you're only as good as your code. [= nflexible self-honesty test] It's relatively easy to run an open source software project as a meritocracy, a level playing field that encourages participation. But those virtues aren't exclusive to software. Coders, it could be argued, got to open source first only because they were closest to the tool that made it a feasible means of production: the Internet.

The Internet excels at facilitating the exchange of large chunks of information, fast. From distributed computation projects such as SETI@home to file-swapping systems like Grokster and Kazaa, many efforts have exploited the Internet's knack for networking. Open source does those one better: It's not only peer-to-peer sharing - it's P2P production. With open source, you've got the first real industrial [political?]model that stems from the technology itself, rather than simply incorporating it.

Open Source We Love

OPEN SOURCE FILM
Not coming to a theater near you: Nothing So Strange, the open source movie. The plot involves a Bill Gates assassination, and the footage is open to editing by all.
nothingsostrange.com/open_source

OPEN SOURCE RECIPES
The Open Source Cookbook is a Slashdot-born project that�s collected dozens of recipes begging for improvement. Head chef Matthew Balmer has version 0.5 on the way.
ibiblio.org/oscookbook

OPEN SOURCE Π
Calculating Pi is a collective effort to nail down the decimal places of this mathematical constant. For number geeks who think programmers have all the fun.
projectpi.sourceforge.net

OPEN SOURCE PROPAGANDA
From the slightly paranoid folks at PR Watch comes Disinfopedia. Ranging from public relations firms to corporate �grassroots� groups, this directory of propaganda is surprisingly thorough.
disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml

OPEN SOURCE CRIME SOLVING
The Doe Network is an international effort tackling unsolved disappearances and tracking down unidentified victims. In four years, Doe claims to have solved nearly 100 cases.
doenetwork.org

OPEN SOURCE CURRICULUM
The Open Textbook Project is building free textbooks in a range of subjects, using the principles of distributed collaboration and open access. The result will be low-cost, high-quality texts.
otp.inlimine.org

"There's a reason we love barn raising scenes in movies. They make us feel great. We think, 'Wow! That would be amazing!'" says Yochai Benkler, a law professor at Yale studying the economic impact of open source. "But it doesn't have to be just a romanticized notion of how to live. Now technology allows it. Technology can unleash tremendous human creativity and tremendous productivity. This is basically barn raising through a decentralized communication network."

An Experiment in Open Source
At 37, Jimmy Wales has already established his legacy on the Internet. Seven years ago, Wales, then a futures and options trader on the Chicago Board of Trade, turned the homepages of hobbyists into Bomis.com, an Internet directory that lets visitors catalog related sites into webrings. The result unified the disparate efforts of millions of Internet users. It wasn't open source, a strategy still percolating in software. But it came close.

Wales wanted something even closer. Long an admirer of Torvalds and free software pioneer Richard Stallman, he had a more deliberate experiment in mind: using volunteer contributors to create an Internet encyclopedia. As in software, perhaps open source could could turn consumers into producers.

The first attempt came in 1999 with Nupedia, an encyclopedia project with great ambitions and what proved to be fatally onerous oversight. Aspiring contributors had to apply for access; each article was peer-reviewed and professionally edited. An entry had to make it past seven or eight hurdles before being posted onto the Nupedia site. "After two years and an amazing amount of money," Wales shrugs, "we had 12 articles."

So in 2001, he tried again. Wales and his team eliminated most of Nupedia's barriers to participation and invented Wikipedia using Wiki, the open source Web-design software. Wikipedia isn't much to look at. The site resembles cutting-edge Web design circa 1994. But like a lowly Pontiac Sunfire with a modified computer chip, most of the action is under the hood. A grassroots encyclopedia, Wikipedia has amassed more than 150,000 entries, using strict open source principles: Anybody can write an article, and anybody else can improve it. Revisions are posted on a Recent Changes page where suggestions are pored over by a dedicated group of Wikipedians. "There's a simple way to tell if it's any good," says Wales. "Find an entry on something you know something about. Odds are it'll hold up pretty well - you'll probably even learn something new."

So what motivates Wikipedia contributors? Pretty much the same things behind any open source project: a dash of altruism, a dose of obsessive compulsiveness, and a good chunk of egotism. It lets users have a hand not just in shaping the debate, but in designing the product. Some are genuinely motivated by the greater good, or find it satisfying to apply their professional knowledge to a broader audience, pro-bono style. And some get to prove how smart they are.

Not to say mischief-makers don't lurk out there. Wikipedia has banned several ne'er-do-wells from the site, and some areas have been locked down - the front page, for instance, because, Wales says, "people kept putting giant penis pictures on there." But in general, the system works surprisingly well, and the traffic bears that out. This summer, Wikipedia surpassed Britannica.com in daily hits, according to Web traffic monitor Alexa.com. Wikipedia's popularity is all the more extraordinary because, like Linux, it started as a small-scale experiment. But the result challenged Britannica, a 235-year-old institution.

There's some satisfaction in the fact that the technology behind Wikipedia is the same one that's baffled Britannica for years. The old-guard encyclopedia has never figured out how to adapt to the digital era. In 1998, Britannica stopped updating its print version and focused on its CD-ROM, then last year revived the print version. In 1999, it launched a free site online; two years later, switched to a paid version. The struggles aren't unique, but they illustrate how a proprietary model built on traditional notions of intellectual property can be undone by irresistible forces.

Now Wales is thinking big. He wants to square off with Britannica not just online but in print and on CD-ROM. Next year, he hopes to release Wikipedia 1.0, a peer-reviewed and peer-edited compendium of 75,000 entries, available to anyone, for commercial or noncommercial purposes. He's even considered pulling a Red Hat - releasing an affordable paid version - before anybody else does. "Things like textbooks, encyclopedias, dictionaries, reference works - they lend themselves very well to collaboration," says Wales. "In fact, that's how they're done in the proprietary context, too. But it costs Britannica money to pay people to write articles; it costs to edit them. Those are all things we do for free. So how can they compete? Our cost model is just better than theirs."

Harnessing the Means of Innovation
Business gurus have a term for what drove Wikipedia: innovation! It's a flaccid buzzword these days, deflated by a decade of leadership seminars and management bibles. But when you look at what's innovative about open source, think Tom Paine, not Tom Peters.

Open source embodies an ethos as fruitful and resilient as the closed capitalism Bill Gates represents: the spirit of democratic solutions to daunting problems. It's the creed of Emerson, who preached independent initiative and advocated a "creative economy." It's the philosophy of William James, whose pragmatism dictated that "ideals ought to aim at the transformation of reality." It's the science of Frederick Taylor, who proved that distributing work could exponentially boost productivity and replace "suspicious watchfulness" with "mutual confidence." It's the logic of Adam Smith, whose notion of "enlightened self-interest" among workers neatly presages the primary motivation for many open source collaborators.

Finding the roots of open source in Taylor and Smith is especially significant because the approach isn't, as some insist, anticommercial or anticorporate. Rather, it is a return to basic free-market principles. The open source process fosters competition, creativity, and enterprise. And just as Taylor and Smith provided the intellectual grounding for the revolution in mass production, open source offers the mechanism to mass innovation.

While the assembly line accelerated the pace of production, it also embedded workers more deeply into the corporate manufacturing machine. Indeed, that was the big innovation of the 20th-century factory: The machines, rather than the workers, drove production. With open source, the people are back in charge. Through distributed collaboration, a multitude of workers can tackle a problem, all at once. The speed is even greater - but so is the freedom. It's a cottage industry on Internet time.

Just as the assembly line served the manufacturing economy, open source serves a knowledge-based economy. Facilitating intellectual collaboration is open source's great advantage, but it also makes the method a threat. It's a direct challenge to old-school R&D: a closed system, where innovations are quickly patented and tightly guarded. And it's an explicit reaction to the intellectual property industry, that machine of proprietary creation and idea appropriation that grew up during the past century and out of control in the past 30 years - now often impeding the same efforts it was designed to protect.

Copyright and patents have an admirable purpose: They give creators the right to exploit their creations for a limited time. Then these innovations enter the public domain. If it made sense that copyrights and patents protected products, it makes sense that, in today's economy, they protect ideas and concepts, too.

But the balance and fair-mindedness that made the American system hum like a well-tuned Briggs & Stratton is now clogged up with opportunism. Copyright protections that originally lasted 14 years now drag on for nearly a century, leaving the public domain a barren ground. Particularly since the mid-1990s, when the US Patent and Trademark Office began recognizing business methods, intellectual property has become more than just guarding what you've made. Trademark, copyright, and patents are now offensive weapons. The result often impedes, rather than encourages, innovation. Intellectual property has grown infuriating in its excesses, such as Netflix's recent patenting of something as simple as a subscription model for DVD rentals.

Perversely, this is just how the law wants it. The courts and the patent and trademark offices exist to protect property, be it physical or intellectual - slap on "All Rights Reserved" and reap the rewards. But it's annoyingly difficult to share something - to open intellectual property to a wide audience. The conventional legal system simply isn't built to handle "Some Rights Reserved."

Open source flips this paradigm around. Now there are dozens of licenses, from Stallman's General Public License to Creative Commons' ShareAlike agreement, that let open products exist in a proprietary world. Under these licenses, to use political scientist Steven Weber's terms, property is something to be distributed rather than protected. The owners are more guardians than guards.

The first and most likely places for open source to flourish are at the extremes of IP. The method can craft better, more open versions of bad business models and inefficient markets. But the imitative projects, the ones that replicate proprietary products using better means, are just the gimmes. In the long term, open source will apply outside IP-dominated industries. Weber suggests corporate R&D as a natural starting point; the oil industry, for instance, could enlist outside chemists to collaborate on better oil refining techniques.

As technology reduces the costs of replication and distribution to nearly nothing, the open source approach could catalyze stagnant sectors of the economy - or, better yet, create new economic sectors. "Open source can propagate to fill all the nooks and crannies that people want it to fill," says Mitch Kapor, who founded Lotus in 1982, cofounded the Electronic Frontier Foundation in 1990, and now heads the Open Source Applications Foundation. (See Mitch Kapor Reinvents Your Inbox.) "In an economy where more and more value is in information - is in the bits, not the atoms, where bits can be copied essentially for free - any time you have that situation, economic schemes that rely on existing models of intellectual property laws for protection are going to do less and less well. If information wants to be free, then that's true everywhere, not just in information technology."

Open Source as a Weapon
A decade ago, Michael Eisen slogged through swamps in Costa Rica studying the mating behavior of frogs. That's what biologists did, he figured - and if he had to fight off a few leeches along the way, so be it. Now he's all about coding, crafting blocks of genetic data and churning them through his computer. "It's a great time to be a biologist," says Eisen, a computational scientist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. "Origin of Species is the best thing ever written in biology. But you just wish Darwin knew about genomics."

Yet if biology is in a renaissance, there are still relics of a medieval age. Most aggravating to Eisen is the state of scientific publishing. It affronts him. And he wants to destroy it.

His weapon is open source. Unlike Wikipedia's Jimmy Wales, who didn't set out to take down Britannica, Eisen has the publishing community squarely in his sights. Open source, says Eisen, who dabbles in Perl programming, can give rise to a new distribution model for scientific [political]research.


"The guiding principle of science has been that freely available material is more useful; it's more likely to generate better science," Eisen says. But freely available is not the same as free of charge. Science journals, with their historically narrow readerships, often charge thousands for a subscription. One of the biggest disseminators is Elsevier, the science publishing unit of an Anglo-Dutch media conglomerate, which distributes some 1,700 academic journals, from Advances in Enzyme Regulation to Veterinary Parasitology.

"The whole premise for that model just evaporated with the Internet," Eisen continues. "Technology now makes openness possible; it's maximum openness. The rules of the game have changed, but the system has failed to respond." So Eisen and two colleagues - Stanford biochemist Pat Brown and Harold E. Varmus, a Nobel laureate in medicine and president of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York - have devised an alternative: the Public Library of Science. To Eisen, PLOS is "the optimal system" for publishing scientific research: Where the old model limited access to maximize subscription fees, this library is all about open access - meaning any user can read, download, copy, distribute, print, search, or link to an article.


Instead of charging universities thousands to subscribe to PLOS Biology or PLOS Medicine, as the library's two peer-reviewed journals will be called, PLOS instead will charge contributing authors a $1,500 fee to cover costs. (Harvard and other universities typically pay on behalf of their faculties, and the library will waive the fee in special cases.) In addition to hiring editorial staffs, PLOS will distribute the work among a pool of fellow academics. In time, the library will become a storehouse of publicly available scientific research, a resource that, like Linux, will only improve with time. And whereas the old model traditionally had scientists signing away their copyright to the journal, the library will use a license that leaves copyright with the author but allows for unlimited use by third parties, provided credit is given to the author.

"The openness will make the data more useful," says Eisen, pointing to the annual $57 billion in taxpayer-funded scientific and medical research that isn't available to the public. And then there's the irony that academic institutions get charged for work they did in the first place. "How does it make sense for the universities to give away the copyright to their research and then pay to get access to it again?"

The library follows in the steps of efforts such as BioMed Central, a London-based open-access publisher of online scientific journals. Though BioMed is a valuable repository of all sorts of research - everything from proteomics to psychiatry - it has yet to make a significant dent in the major journals' hold on big research. That's the obstacle PLOS faces, too: convincing scientists that the new publication will have authority. Publishing in Science or Nature means your paper matters, and it provides a yardstick for tenure and promotion decisions. PLOS has already earned credibility by hiring the former editor in chief of Cell and lining up contributors from Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and the National Institutes of Health for the first issues of PLOS Biology, set to debut October 13. The team hopes such star power will help put any issues of credibility to rest.

And to those who label PLOS something only a league of anticommercial academics could dream up, Eisen has a swift retort. "It's the ultimate free market - the free market of ideas," he says. "We don't prohibit commercial use, we encourage it. If you want to gather our articles about a particular topic and sell it as a book, great, go ahead. As far as we're concerned, that's a good way of getting information out there. The problem with scientific publishing right now is that it's a monopoly. This is an attack on a specific business model that is not serving science well.".0

Building a Hybrid
At any given time, odds are Monsanto is in court over intellectual property. The agriculture and biotech giant is suing rival companies for infringing on technology. It's suing researchers for unlicensed use. And it's suing farmers for stealing seeds - filing 75 or so lawsuits in the past five years alone, most notably against Percy Schmeiser, a Canadian cause célèbre accused of using Monsanto grain without a license; his case goes before the Canadian Supreme Court in January. This constant litigation is a necessary cost of doing business; patents, after all, must be protected, or their value can be lost. But it also reflects a demanding way of doing business, one that's expensive, time-consuming, and - as the Schmeiser case attests - not always good for PR.

For a different approach, consider Cambia, the Center for the Application of Molecular Biology to International Agriculture, a biotech nonprofit based in Australia. Founded in 1994 by Richard Jefferson, a mandolinist turned geneticist from Santa Cruz, California, Cambia has emerged as a force in agriculture technology over the past decade. The group pioneered research into transgenomics, where plants are tweaked using their own genetic stock rather than foreign genes. But Jefferson finds Cambia increasingly hamstrung by the biotech industry's reliance on patents, cross-license agreements, and trade secrets. "So much of what we want to do is all tied up in somebody's intellectual property," he says. "It's a complete sclerotic mess, where nobody has any freedom of movement. Everything that open source has been fighting in software is exactly where we find ourselves now with biotechnology."

So Jefferson tapped open source methods to skirt the restrictive licenses of companies like Monsanto. On a broad scale, Cambia built an exhaustive collaborative database, open to all, of 300,000 patents covering agricultural technologies - an essential resource for researchers navigating through proprietary waters. And as a more precise effort, Cambia is developing a gene-transfer technology that will, Jefferson hopes, work better than the proprietary methods currently available. The group is following Torvalds' model, incubating the core technique before turning it over to a network of users - both nonprofit and corporate - with a liberal licensing arrangement. "Anybody can tweak it, learn from it, twiddle with it," Jefferson says. "We want to invent a better way but bind everybody to share the improvements. Some might call them work-arounds; we call them work-beyonds."

Corporations have been part of the problem for Jefferson, but they're also part of the solution. Open source offers biotech companies a cheaper way to do research. "The corporations have been locked in a zero-sum game," Jefferson says. "It costs them a fortune to buy and lock up a product or a technology. And if they don't, a competitor will get it and they'll have no access to it. So it's a real change in the status quo we're proposing. We're reducing the obstacles for everybody so big companies won't view this as antithetical to their own progress."

Jefferson is onto something. Open source is often framed as an attack on the corporate world at large. But in fact, the open source approach can be a boon for companies. Licensing from a trusted collaborative project saves money and leaves the technology open to further development. By showing corporations that a closed, defensive approach to intellectual property can be less efficient than liberal licensing, Cambia and a few other open source efforts are leading the way to the mainstream.

In this light, where corporations are part of the model, open source suddenly becomes something less marginal and more ingenious. It forces industry to reckon with openness rather than hide behind intellectual property. In driving down the cost of software or encyclopedias or biotechnology, open source is unleashing billions in capital otherwise put to woefully inefficient ends. Just because it's not about making money first doesn't mean it won't make money second (just ask the folks who bought their mansions with Red Hat shares).

"Open source can build around the blockages of the industrial producers of the 20th century," says Yale's Benkler. "It can provide a potential source of knowledge materials from which we can build the culture and economy of the 21st century."

If that sounds melodramatic, consider how far things have come in the past decade. Torvalds' hobbyists have become an army. Britannica's woes are Wikipedia's gains. In genetics and biotech, open source promises a sure path to breakthroughs. These early efforts are mere trial runs for what open source might do out in the world at large. The real test, the real potential, lies not in the margins. It lies in making something new, in finding a better way. Open source isn't just about better software. It's about better everything.


In effect Wikileaks is attempting to release the source code of geopolitics. Actually a natural 9and inevitable?) application of open-course practices in the context of the examples cited in this article.

"Open source embodies an ethos as fruitful and resilient as the closed [imperialism of the US State Department] represents: the spirit of democratic solutions to daunting problems."


Thank-you, thank-you very much.
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Re: Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

Postby nathan28 » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:50 pm

Sure, it's a cheap shot, but Engdahl's "have not been associated with LaRouche for years", well, I'll believe it when I see it. Considering that LaRouche & Friends have been up to no good for years, well, there's some bad blood there.
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Postby Montag » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:56 pm

nathan28 wrote:Sure, it's a cheap shot, but Engdahl's "have not been associated with LaRouche for years", well, I'll believe it when I see it. Considering that LaRouche & Friends have been up to no good for years, well, there's some bad blood there.


Well I heard Thom Hartmann interview him once and have great respect for him, in particular the book Full Spectrum Dominance.
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Re: Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

Postby Plutonia » Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:58 pm

And here's an unanticipated, speculative outcome for the Wikileaks "crisis":

Could the Wikileaks Scandal Lead to New Virtual Currency?

Wha!!?

Make sure that you check out the tech mechanism described here:

It's not an exaggeration to say that the recent Wikileaks scandal has shaken the Internet to its core. Regardless of where you stand on the debate, various services have simply refused to handle Wikileaks' business--everything from domain-name providers to payment services--and this has led to many questioning how robust the Internet actually is.

Hackers have already stated their aim to create their own DNS system, which will bypass officialdom. This uses peer-to-peer technology to get around the problem, a favorite of hackers because it's impossible to regulate.


But how about an entire currency based on peer-to-peer technology?

That's what's on offer from Bitcoin, a decentralized virtual currency that could either be the best idea since they figured out how to slice bread, or just another hacker's daydream. As the Wikileaks debacle continues, it's being increasingly discussed in various sections of the Web as a possible solution to the PayPal online payments monopoly.

Bitcoin is the creation of Japanese programmer Satoshi Nakamoto, and is a real, actual currency through which you can buy services and goods, right now. If you don't believe me, take a look at the Trade section of the Bitcoin website.

Newcomers can earn Bitcoins by downloading the Bitcoin client software and running computationally intensive tasks on their computer. In other words, the longer your computer is left running the Bitcoin client program, the more Bitcoins you'll incur. It runs in the background, and is polite to other software so you shouldn't realize it's there. According to the FAQ, the current rate of earning Bitcoins is about 50 every three weeks.

Bitcoins gain their value simply by the fact people are prepared to accept them as payment for services and goods. This sounds weak but this is not entirely dissimilar in nature to the major Fiat currencies such as the Dollar, Euro and Sterling. The only reason we're prepared to accept our wage in dollars is the fact that we know that shops and service providers across the United States (and other countries) are prepared to let us spend it.

You can amass additional Bitcoins just like you can earn real-life currency--by offering services or goods and accepting Bitcoins as payment. Doing so will increase the integrity of the Bitcoin system--something which, as a potentially Bitcoin wealthy person, it's in your interest to do.

Virtual currencies aren't a new idea, of course. Those with long memories will remember Beenz.com and Flooz.com, denizens of the dot.com boom that fell flat on their faces as the new century got underway. Additionally, some online games offer their own currency system that have virtual exchange rates for real money. However, Bitcoin differs because there's no central bank or other kind of controlling interest. It's entirely decentralized.

Bitcoins are transferred between individuals or businesses by specifying their Bitcoin address. Transactions travel through the peer-to-peer network created by those who are running the Bitcoin client software.

There's no single point of weakness. Nobody can stop the Bitcoin system or censor it, short of turning off the entire Internet. If Wikileaks had requested Bitcoins then they would have received their donations without a second thought.

Of course, you should make of that what you will. You might also want to ponder the fact that practically anybody in any country can send and receive Bitcoins in an entirely unpoliced way.

Should your business be looking to accept Bitcoins? That depends on how valuable you think they are, of course, and that's going to depend on what you can get for the Bitcoins you accumulate--in terms of goods and services that can be bought for Bitcoins. The current Bitcoin-to-dollar exchange rate appears to be about 20 cents, and you can trade currencies courtesy of the various sites that let users both buy and sell Bitcoins.

However, purely as an intriguing idea that might indicate a possible future in an Internet heavily regulated by government, Bitcoins are worth taking a look at.

Keir Thomas has been writing about computing since the last century, and more recently has written several best-selling books. You can learn more about him at http://keirthomas.com and his Twitter feed is @keirthomas.
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Re: Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

Postby Montag » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:05 pm

I don't know if this is same interview:

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Postby Montag » Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:13 pm

In deep politics, we have to be aware of what we're seeing in addition to simply examining what the MSM and the "reputable sources" will allow us to know about a subject. If the sights and sounds make us think that there is something amiss in the Matrix, we have to look at that too.
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Postby Plutonia » Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:38 pm

Montag wrote:If the sights and sounds make us think that they is something amiss in the Matrix, we have to look at that too.
Uh. Yeah. :indifferentsneer:


So...

back to Nerd News re: the Death of the Internets:

The Pirate Bay Co-Founder Starting A P2P Based DNS To Take On ICANN*

*ICANN, for those who don't know, is the mechanism through which the US is attempting to get control of the Internets.

Written by Ricky on December 1st, 2010

The Pirate Bay Co-Founder, Peter Sunde, has started a new project which will provide a decentralized p2p based DNS system. This is a direct result of the increasing control which the US government has over ICANN.
The internet is not analogous to broadcast. I think we outsides are prone to thinking about the 'net from within a paradigm that flattens out our conception of it into a familiar monolithic shape. It's not.

The recent seizures of around 80 domains by the US authorities only goes on to show the amount of influence the government have over the internet. There is a fear that if the US Senate passes the Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act, such instances will increase – becoming a threat to an open internet.

As long as there is a centralized root, there is always the possibility of interference from government and other agencies. To counter this threat what Peter Sunde is suggesting is a new Domain Name System based on peer to peer technology. Such a system will be completely decentralized and hence almost impossible for the government or any other agencies to control.
This is the same model that that weird Bitcoin currency uses.

The P2P-DNS is the name of the project which aims to do this. According to the project’s wiki, this is how the project is described:

P2P-DNS is a community project that will free internet users from imperial control of DNS by ICANN. In order to prevent unjust prosecution or denial of service, P2P-DNS will operate as a distributed and less centralized service hosted by the users of DNS. Temporary substitutes, (as Alpha and Beta developments), are being made ready for deployment. A network with no centralized points of failure, (per the original design of the internet), remains our goal. P2P-DNS is developing rapidly.
Free users from imperial control and developing rapidly? Wasn't Assange hanging out with these folks a couple of months ago?

This system will work only with a .p2p TLD, other TLDs will be passed through to be handled by the default DNS server. This is stated in the project’s goal as:

Create an application that runs as a service and hooks into the host’s DNS system to catch all requests to the .p2p TLD while passing all other requests cleanly through. Requests for the .p2p TLD will be redirected to a locally hosted DNS database.
No idea what that means.

While the idea of a completely decentralized internet free from the government’s interference is a very tempting one, it is not without its own sets of problems. One of them has to do with trust. With the current setup, we are putting our trust in the DNS servers like OpenDNS, Google DNS etc. to point us to the right direction when we want to access a website. With the scheme that P2P-DNS is proposing, we will have to rely on others in the network to direct us. It is one thing to trust OpenDNS, Google etc. but completely another thing to do the same with a random computer. Such a system is also harder to secure and tends to be slower.

This is not the first time that an alternative Domain Name System has been proposed. Starting with AlterNIC in 1997, alternative DNS has had a controversial history. Many have ceased to function now because of the lack of adoption from users. However, coming right after the controversial seizure of 80 domains by the US government, P2P-DNS might just get enough support to make it a success.
So it's not perfect, there's some technical issues to work out, but the ants seem to be pretty good at rearranging their ant pile.
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Re: Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

Postby Montag » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:35 am

Plutonia wrote:Uh. Yeah. :indifferentsneer:


Lemme guess an all-state debating champion?

I don't understand why you're derailing the thread Plutonia. If you're trying to point out the Internet cannot be shut down, there is also that Assange may be a vehicle for information that CIA/Mossad/MI6 types want out.
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Postby Montag » Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:39 am

I intended for this thread to aggregate articles that question Wikileaks Plutonia, I'm not a mod here, but I'd think you should present arguments as to why we should not question Wikileaks (which could include posting articles). If you just post articles that are not in the spirit of the thread, and don't forward any arguments I see that as derailing the thread.
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Postby Plutonia » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:23 am

Montag wrote: I'd think you should present arguments as to why we should not question Wikileaks
These are just for you then Monty;

In answering the argument made by yourself and others in this thread that Wikileaks is a Intelligence/State Dept/ Super-sophisticated psyop, I pointed out that it's more likely that Wikileaks/Assange are products of (and characteristic of) the geek culture that spawned them. That was here viewtopic.php?p=370994#p370994

If you read the article you may have noticed some similarities between what Wikileaks says about itself - particularly this part:

"We are a young organisation that has grown very quickly, relying on a network of dedicated volunteers around the globe. Since 2007, when the organisation was officially launched, WikiLeaks has worked to report on and publish important information. We also develop and adapt technologies to support these activities."

and the Open Source projects described in the article. It shows (and even predicts) that the Wikileaks model of information sharing is a natural and inevitable extension of the revolutionary practice and ethos of Open Source innovation. In other words, it's apparently an organic expression of pre-existing cultural forces and not in the least aberrational.

My next point was a bit of a sidetrack I agree, but with y'all clamoring over how Wikileaks is going destroy the internet it was fun to propose an alternate possibility- that was that Wikileaks may launch a new torrent-based currency. It also had some good tech info because we may be talking about the internet, but it's not the internet the geeks are talking about. Plus, it's really interesting. That was here: viewtopic.php?p=370997#p370997

And lastly, I contributed to the "internet threatened" discussion by pointing out that actually, an alternative, distributed, de-centralized, out-of-state-control alternative is already in the works. In there somewhere was a really good point I made about the internet not being the equivalent to broadcast media and that it would be a mistake to assess its robustness against that model. That was here: viewtopic.php?p=371050#p371050

So, I think those are worthwhile points. Maybe a little outside your usual meme-set but heck! it can be fun to have new thoughts occasionally!

So consider my arguments forwarded. Back to you.
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Postby DrVolin » Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:06 am

Alternative DNS systems are interesting, but the vast majority of users will still have to run their packets first through an ISP very much beholden to the central power. The ISP can easily reject requests routed through any but s short list of DNS. And from a technical standpoint, the shorter and the more permanent the list, the better. Good recipe for self-reinforcing centralization of power.
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:24 am

DrVolin wrote:Alternative DNS systems are interesting, but the vast majority of users will still have to run their packets first through an ISP very much beholden to the central power. The ISP can easily reject requests routed through any but s short list of DNS. And from a technical standpoint, the shorter and the more permanent the list, the better. Good recipe for self-reinforcing centralization of power.


I don't know anything about such things, but yet again this reminds me of a sneaky tactic used by the Egyptian government recently. Democracy activists and political parties and even opposition newspapers had managed to organize several quite big demonstrations in the past, using "SMS aggregators", firms that you provide with your message and a list of mobile phone numbers and they can send your message on to tens of thousands of recipients instantly, for a fee. This service was being used for instant alerts regarding human rights violations, to inform people about the place and time of planned demonstrations, etc.

Now these same firms, the SMS aggregators, make the vast bulk of their profits from corporate advertisers telling consumers about the latest sale or whatever. The government is basically offering them a choice between continuing their very profitable businesses on the one hand, and losing everything if they serve those customers who engage in the struggle for democracy. Needless to say, it was a no-brainer.

So if the USG has a similar plan for bringing the internet under control, they would logically target the ISPs, as DrVolin suggests.

...The new restrictions on satellite broadcasts coincide with tightened controls on services to Egypt's 60 million mobile phone subscribers.

The National Telecommunications Regulatory Authority (NTRA) announced Oct. 11 that organisations would require licences to utilise SMS aggregators that send text messages in bulk. It said the content of group messages would have to be reviewed and approved by various state agencies before it could be disseminated.

Minister of Communication and Information Technology Tarek Kamel denied any political motives behind the new restrictions. He assured reporters the ministry's aim was only to limit "inappropriate SMS content" such as false religious edicts and "disinformation" that could negatively affect the stock market.

Rights activists, however, claim the restrictions will hinder the opposition's ability to mobilise supporters for voting, protests and demonstrations. They expect that only "favoured" political movements will be granted permits, excluding ElBaradei's National Association for Change, the anti-regime Kefaya movement and Egypt's largest opposition group, the banned Muslim Brotherhood.

The restrictions could also impact the work of human rights organisations and NGOs that monitor elections, as well as various independent news channels.

"Most newspapers, TV channels and radio stations in Egypt...use mass SMS service to provide coverage of live events, including elections and demonstrations," explains digital rights activist Ramy Raoof. "Now, before they send any SMS they will have to pass it to the government for review and approval, which will affect their ability to spread information quickly."

Online activism tools such as blogs, Facebook and Twitter will not be affected by the SMS restrictions.** Many Egyptians expect the government will soon close this loophole. "There is a rumour that the government is going to block (web sites)," says Raoof. "More likely it will just arrest the bloggers." Link


** Sure, bloggers can just be arrested, as so many already have. But what is behind this strange apparent immunity of Facebook and Twitter?
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Postby Plutonia » Sun Dec 12, 2010 3:32 pm

DrVolin wrote:Alternative DNS systems are interesting, but the vast majority of users will still have to run their packets first through an ISP very much beholden to the central power. The ISP can easily reject requests routed through any but s short list of DNS. And from a technical standpoint, the shorter and the more permanent the list, the better. Good recipe for self-reinforcing centralization of power.
Okay. Makes sense. But the mechanism the They are using to exert control has to do with domain names and key matching:
ICANN’s New Global Internet Security System

The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) yesterday held a key signing ceremony implementing an advanced new security system for the internet domain name system (DNS). DNSSEC, DNS security extensions, is expected to secure the internet domain name system against cache poisoning and spoofing attacks by matching a private and public key every time a DNS request is answered. A failed match of the keys tells users that their request might have been hampered with somewhere along the way. After criticism over the fact that the master key for the central root zone, the heart of the DNS, is generated and stored in the US only, ICANN chose to invite trusted internet community members to hold parts of the master key. In a seven-hour ceremony outside Washington, DC yesterday, the first key set was generated with 21 experts from 18 different countries present. In the future for signing new keys at least three of the seven crypt officers have to be present. The so-called Zone Signing Key, a key sitting under the central Key Signing Key that ICANN holds, is generated by VeriSign, the US company with rights to the .com domain. On 15 July, the public part of the KSK will be published allowing validation of requests to the root zone.

Crypt Officers here.
Do you see a reason why They would bypass the ISP bottlenecks in favour of this, erm, broadcast interference pattern?
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Re: Questioning WikiLeaks Thread

Postby Montag » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:18 pm

Cyber guerrillas can help US
by Evgeny Morozov

December 3, 2010
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Just two weeks before WikiLeaks released its diplomatic cables, Alec Ross, a leading proponent of all things digital at the US State Department, delivered an excitable talk at an internet conference in Chile. The title was the “battle between open and closed societies”; Mr Ross argued that openness always wins. Yet barely six minutes in he managed to infuriate his Latin American audience by saying that the network “was the Che Guevara of the 21st century”. “Will you try to kill it too?” inquired someone in the audience, anticipating that the US might soon feel ill at ease in a digital, networked world.

Now that America has spent a week debating how to take revenge on WikiLeaks, the prescience of that question is clear. Sarah Palin called on her government to “hunt down” Julian Assange, the WikiLeaker-in-chief. Right wing shock jock Rush Limbaugh seemed to feel nostalgic for the old days when “Assange would die of lead poisoning from a bullet in the brain”. Senator Joe Lieberman – who this year asked if “China can shut down the Internet, why can’t we?” – demanded that US companies stop working with WikiLeaks. Several did so, turning the site into a digital refugee, on the run from otherwise staunch First Amendment advocates.

America is yet to realise, however, that it is in its own interest to be nice to Mr Assange. If harmed, he would become a martyr. WikiLeaks could be transformed from a handful of volunteers to a global movement of politicised geeks clamouring for revenge. Today’s WikiLeaks talks the language of transparency, but it could quickly develop a new code of explicit anti-Americanism, anti-imperialism and anti-globalisation.

Mr Assange is more of a college sophomore still undecided about his major, than a man with a plan. There are two paths his creation could now take. One would see a radical global network systematically challenging those in power – governments and companies alike – just for the sake of undermining “the system”. Its current quest for transparency, however sloppily executed, could soon become an exercise in anger, one leak at a time.

Alternatively, WikiLeaks could continue moving in the more sensible direction that, in some ways, it is already on: collaborating with traditional media, redacting sensitive files, and offering those in a position to know about potential victims of releases the chance to vet the data. It is a choice between WikiLeaks becoming a new Red Brigades, or a new Transparency International. And forcing Mr Assange to go down the former route would have far more disastrous implications for American interests than anything revealed by the current dump of diplomatic cables.

The lesson of the last week is that, in this new world, geeks have real power. Plenty of them are already unhappy with the US government’s campaigns to limit internet piracy, or its harassment of well-known hackers. An aggressive attempt to go after WikiLeaks – by blocking its web access, for instance, or by harassing its members – could install Mr Assange (or whoever succeeds him) at the helm of a powerful new global movement able to paralyse the work of governments and corporations around the world.

More embarrassingly, Mr Assange’s fans are often the very same geeks that Washington needs to court, in order to push forward its desires to end internet censorship in authoritarian states such as China and Iran. The White House is currently engaged in a fresh move to promote “open government” around the globe. Alienating those who rally behind Mr Assange’s bombastic pronouncements threatens to stall progress in these areas. Indeed, promoting open government while chastising an group that puts “we open governments” in its Twitter bio seems hypocritical to many.

What if the US decides not attack WikiLeaks and its partners? True, the released cables are unlikely to undermine unpleasant regimes in Russia, China or much of the Middle East. But in the future, WikiLeaks-style organisations could be useful allies of the west as it seeks to husband democracy and support human rights. Groups such as WikiLeaks claim that there is power in information. But that power is made all the greater when it’s backed by the thoughtful advocacy of groups, like Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International, and placed in context by careful reporting from the numerous mainstream and online media partners that assisted WikiLeaks in its most recent release.

It’s towards these responsible arms – and not those of rabid America-haters – that Washington now must try to nudge Mr Assange and his growing fanbase. Handled correctly, the state that will benefit most from a nerdy network of 21st-century Che Guevaras, is America itself.

The writer is a visiting scholar at Stanford, and author of ‘The Net Delusion: How Not to Liberate the World’, released in January 2011
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