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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Jeff » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:08 am

Libya is united in popular revolution – please don't intervene

We welcome a no-fly zone, but the blood of Libya's dead will be wasted if the west curses our uprising with failed intervention

Muhammad min Libya
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 1 March 2011

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All Libyans, even the pro-Gaddafi minority, believe that it's only a matter of time before Libya regains its freedom. But the frightening question remains: how many martyrs will fall before Gaddafi does? How many souls will he take before the curse is broken?

This happy ending, however, is marred by a fear shared by all Libyans; that of a possible western military intervention to end the crisis.

Don't get me wrong. I, like most Libyans, believe that imposing a no-fly zone would be a good way to deal the regime a hard blow on many levels; it would cut the route of the mercenary convoys summoned from Africa, it would prevent Gaddafi from smuggling money and other assets, and most importantly it would stop the regime from bombing weapons arsenals that many eyewitnesses have maintained contain chemical weapons; something that would unleash an unimaginable catastrophe, not to mention that his planes might actually carry such weapons.

Nevertheless, one thing seems to have united Libyans of all stripes; any military intervention on the ground by any foreign force would be met – as Mustafa Abud Al Jeleil, the former justice minister and head of the opposition-formed interim government, said – with fighting much harsher than what the mercenaries themselves have unleashed.

Nor do I favour the possibility of a limited air strike for specific targets. This is a wholly popular revolution, the fuel to which has been the blood of the Libyan people. Libyans fought alone when western countries were busy ignoring their revolution at the beginning, fearful of their interests in Libya. This is why I'd like the revolution to be ended by those who first started it: the people of Libya.

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Nordic » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:23 am

I just was flipping channels and saw on CNN, (had the sound down), at the bottom of the screen, something to the effect of "NY TImes reports that Libyan rebels may ask for air strikes to topple Qaddafi."

Wow.

Do they really think people's memories are THAT short? I mean, the NY Times? Really?

And you gotta love the use of the word "may".

Monkeys MAY fly out of my ass, too, any second.

It's weird to see the Mighty Wurlitzer get fired up again, just like last time, and they get away with it again.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Plutonia » Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:46 am

Hillary Clinton warmly welcomes Gaddafi's son to Washington

http://link.brightcove.com/services/pla ... 0345898001


Why is Hillary Clinton giving millions to Gaddafi?

By Nile Gardiner World Last updated: September 28th, 2009

Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the feisty ranking Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee has written to the Secretary of State calling on her to cancel $2.5 million in State Department Economic Support Funds for Libya, of which $400,000 is earmarked for foundations run by the Gaddafi family. Ros-Lehtinen’s memo to Clinton follows a letter last week by Congressman Mark Steven Kirk (a member of the House Appropriations Subcommittee) to the White House urging the president to intervene.

Here is her statement in full:

“Although this money was provided by Congress to promote democracy and human rights in Libya, the Administration has chosen to funnel the resources through the Qadhafi family. How could this assistance effectively promote democracy when entrusted to the dictator’s family?”

“This waste of taxpayer dollars is particularly outrageous following the hero’s welcome given to the Lockerbie bomber organized by Libyan leader Muammar Qadhafi and his son Saif al-Islam al Qadhafi.”

“This windfall to the Qadhafis will only work to further entrench a dictatorial regime whose extremist dogma was most recently demonstrated just yesterday, with Muammar Qadhafi’s bizarre diatribe against freedom-loving nations at the UN.”


The Florida Congresswoman is absolutely right. No U.S. funds should be going to Gaddafi or his barbaric regime. If Clinton approves the disbursement of the money to Libya, $200,000 will be given to the Gaddafi Development Foundation, run by Gaddafi’s son Saif, and $200,000 is due to go to the Wa’ettasemon organization, run by his daughter Aisha in conjunction with the United Nations Development Program (UNDP). For further details on how Gaddafi’s family charities spend their money, see Greg Pollowitz’s post at the Media Blog over at NRO.

The US Congress should also investigate whether American funds have been used in the past by the Libyan regime to enrich Gaddafi or his family, or to strengthen his hold on power, and block any future government funds from being sent.

It simply beggars belief that just weeks after Muammar Gaddafi welcomed home the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi as a returning hero, the Obama administration is still planning to send U.S. taxpayer dollars into the coffers of the Libyan dictator. Colonel Gaddafi does not need another stimulus package from Washington.

Hillary Clinton should immediately halt the transfer of US funds to Libya, sending a clear message that the United States will have no truck with Gaddafi. He deserves to be treated with contempt as an unrepentant state sponsor of terrorism with the blood of more than 190 Americans on his hands.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby smiths » Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:17 am

whether or not it is the real thing, the triggers and management of the revolution are still debatable

also the idea that 'they' want to keep Libya whole is contestable, 'they' have a tradition of dividing for advantage

it is certainly possible that 'they' have spent years arming Gaddafi and are now ready to arm his opposition and then arm whatever groups emerge

its worth looking at the convergence of the US banks and European military industrial complex
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... orts-libya
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/libyas ... n-and-citi

i note as well that there are already movements towards 'restructuring loans and lending more to indebted countries like Egypt whose dictators took on onerous debts to enrich themselves,

since 'they' create the debt for 'dictators' to buy weapons from them and now 'dictators' are being undermined by 'spontaneous' movements that might be armed and supported by 'them', i would say that it is too early to decide whether this is indeed a real revolution and is only coincidentally a triple profit source for the west
or whether that multiple wealth machine has in fact had its black hands in this
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby jam.fuse » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:46 am

haven"t seen this quoted here... hat tip to marisacat.wordpress.com

http://angryarab.net/2011/03/01/to-nich ... ts-people/

The New York Times had this editorial today: "We were disappointed to hear Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey — the Muslim world’s leading democracy — denounce “any sanctions or interference that would mean the punishment of the Libyan people.”" So they were disappointed that Erdogan (and I am no fan of his) merely called against interference in Libyan affairs? They were offended that he called for the Libyan people to chart their own destiny? As for your lovely humanitarian sanctions, we saw your sanctions "work" in Iraq (and saw even your "smart sanctions" version under Bush and Rice) and we did not enjoy that show one but, as those more than 500,000 children who died from your sanctions. The policies, actions, and rhetoric of the US is getting uglier and more offensive, and the liberals in the West as usual play the most sinister role (as they did back in 2003 in support of the war on Iraq). Western liberals have always played that role and we in Syria/Lebanon lived under French colonial rule and French socialists were no less colonial when they were in power during that era. I know, that Israel/US want to take advantage of a rapidly changing situation and they want to establish footholds in the region. We know how they think when you read that Obama administration is inviting one Zionist writer after another into the White House (including Bush's era Zionists, like Elliot Abrams and Fouad Ajami) for potato's sake. But they don't realize one important element of change in the region. Those countries will never be as closed as they were: and so many arms depots and police stations have been raided by protesters. Secret cells will now form freely in all armed forces of overthrown regime. Potential for sabotage and subversion is now huge. In many cases, the peaceful part of the uprisings is now over in Tunisia and Egypt. The violent phase is about to begin. Stay tuned. Those Zionists who play with fire will get their hands burnt, badly.

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:06 am

Also via Angry Arab:

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Hellooo? They even went to the trouble of printing it in English, possibly so that even all those "Middle East experts" in Washington who don't understand Arabic (quite a few of them know Hebrew, though) can't keep pretending that the Libyan people want America to bless them with its version of "freedom and democracy" (you know, the one that's made some Iraqis yearn wistfully for the life they had under Saddam Hussein and driven others to rise up and risk death to demand their sovereign rights). It's not surprising, by the way, that the Iraqi people's demand for the end of the US occupation didn't get covered in the New York Times, when that newspaper doesn't even seem to understand English when it's used to communicate what the NYT doesn't want to hear.

Actually, you have to wonder what kind of democracy the American people live in, when their government can decide that there's no money for teachers and universal health care and infrastructure maintenance in the US, but there's always enough for one more war of aggression in the Middle East and plenty to keep supporting Israel in the lifestyle to which it has become accustomed...
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Pele'sDaughter » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:12 am

Actually, you have to wonder what kind of democracy the American people live in, when their government can decide that there's no money for teachers and universal health care and infrastructure maintenance in the US, but there's always enough for one more war of aggression and plenty to keep supporting Israel in the lifestyle to which it has become accustomed...


I hope more of us realize this each day, but it can't happen quickly enough considering what hangs in the balance. And nothing but Charlie effing Sheen nonstop instead of real news.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Nordic » Wed Mar 02, 2011 4:34 pm

Pele'sDaughter wrote:
Actually, you have to wonder what kind of democracy the American people live in, when their government can decide that there's no money for teachers and universal health care and infrastructure maintenance in the US, but there's always enough for one more war of aggression and plenty to keep supporting Israel in the lifestyle to which it has become accustomed...


I hope more of us realize this each day, but it can't happen quickly enough considering what hangs in the balance. And nothing but Charlie effing Sheen nonstop instead of real news.



It's no accident, the Charlie Sheen thing. It's the official distraction of the time, while the U.S. mobilizes to invade Libya.

And CNN is now taking the place of Judith Miller. Anderson Cooper seems to be filling in for her now, although the NY Times is on the case, too, in its normal role of warmonger.

Here are a couple of new things:

Airstrikes in Libya did not take place – Russian military


The reports of Libya mobilizing its air force against its own people spread quickly around the world. However, Russia’s military chiefs say they have been monitoring from space — and the pictures tell a different story. According to Al Jazeera and BBC, on February 22 the Libyan government inflicted airstrikes on Benghazi — the country’s largest city — and on the capital Tripoli. However, the Russian military, monitoring the unrest via satellite from the very beginning, says nothing of the sort was going on on the ground.




The War Party’s Atrocity Porn

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/03 ... -war-party’s-atrocity-porn/

“This is a massacre,” the frantic Libyan woman, speaking by telephone while cowering in her apartment in Tripoli, told CNN’s Anderson Cooper.

“I hope you know that people around the world are watching and praying and wanting to do something,” Anderson told her, as if he were a stage prompter hinting at a performer’s next line. Whether or not she had been given a copy of the script, the caller performed as expected: “[T]he first step [is to] make Libya a no-fly zone. If you make Libya a no-fly zone, no more mercenaries can come in…. There needs to be action. How much more waiting, how much more watching, how much more people dying?”

It’s entirely possible, perhaps even likely, that the subject of Cooper’s interview was simply a terrified but resolute woman who risked her life to describe the violence devouring her country amid the death throes of Khadaffy’s police state.

It’s likewise possible that her call for international action to impose a no-fly zone was a desperate plea from a victim, rather than an act of media ventriloquism in which an anonymous figure endorsed the first plank of a military campaign proposed by the same neo-conservative kriegsbund that manipulated us into Iraq.

Surely it was a coincidence that the “Cry in the Night” from Libya was echoed on the same network a few nights later by Iraq war architect, former World Bank president, and accused war criminal Paul Wolfowitz, who several days prior to Cooper’s dramatic broadcast called for a NATO-enforced “no fly zone” over Libya.

In fact, the day following that interview, an ad hoc group calling itself the Foreign Policy Initiative, which coalesced from the remnants of the Project for a New American Century, published an “open letter” to Mr. Obama demanding military intervention – beginning with a no-fly zone – in Libya. The neo-con framework for managing the Libyan crisis would create a regional protectorate administered by NATO on behalf of the “international community.” This would nullify any effort on the part of Libyans, Egyptians, Tunisians, and others to achieve true independence.

On previous experience with media campaigns on behalf of humanitarian conquest, my incurable cynicism leads me to hear in Cooper’s “Cry in the Night” a faint but unmistakable echo of the tearful, palpably earnest testimony of “Nayirah” – the wide-eyed Kuwaiti girl who, using an assumed name to “protect her family,” described what had befallen her country in the wake of the Iraqi invasion.

Bravely composing herself as she recounted horrors no human eyes should behold, the precociously self-possessed 15-year-old volunteer nurse related to the Congressional Human Rights Caucus how Iraqi soldiers stormed into the al-Addan Hospital, tore newborn infants from incubators, and hurled them to the floor. A short time later this testimony was “confirmed” by others who offered similarly anguished testimony before the UN Security Council.

During the three-month build-up to the January 1991 attack on Baghdad, the image of Kuwaiti “incubator babies” was endlessly recycled as a talking point in media interviews, presidential speeches, and debates in Congress and the UN. A post-war opinion survey found that the story of the “incubator babies” was the single most potent weapon deployed by the Bush administration in its campaign to build public support for the attack on Iraq.

This atrocity account was particularly effective in overcoming the skepticism of people espousing a progressive point of view.

“A pacifist by nature, my brother was not in a peaceful mood that day,” recalled Christian Science Monitor columnist Tom Regan, describing his sibling’s reaction to “Nayirah’s” testimony. “We’ve got to go and get Saddam Hussein – now,” Regan’s brother insisted.

“I completely understood his feelings,” Regan pointed out. After all, “who could countenance such brutality? The news of the slaughter had come at a key moment in the deliberations about whether the U.S. would invade Iraq. Those who watched the non-stop debates on TV saw that many of those who had previously wavered on the issue had been turned into warriors by this shocking incident. Too bad it never happened.”

“Nayirah” was not a traumatized ingénue who had witnessed an act of barbarism worthy of the Einsatzgruppen; she was actually the daughter of Saud Nasi al-Sabah, Kuwait’s ambassador to the United States (and a member of the emirate’s royal family). Her script had been written by the Washington-based PR firm Hill & Knowlton, which – under the supervision of former Bush administration Chief of Staff Craig Fuller – had put together a campaign to build public support for the impending war.

It wasn’t difficult to convince the public that Saddam was a hideous thug. Selling the idea of a major war in the Middle East was a more daunting proposition. In late 1990, Hal Steward, a retired Army propaganda officer, defined the problem for the administration: “If and when the shooting starts, reporters will begin to wonder why American soldiers are dying for oil-rich sheiks. The U.S. military had better get cracking to come up with a public relations plan that will supply the answers the public can accept.”

The image of newborn Kuwaiti infants being ripped from incubators was an updated riff on a classic war propaganda theme performed by British intelligence – and its American fellow travelers – in their efforts to provoke U.S. intervention in World War I.

The WWI-era equivalent of the Kuwaiti “incubator babies” were the Belgian infants who were supposedly spitted on bayonets by hairy-knuckled Huns in Pickelhaube helmets. German soldiers did this to amuse themselves once they could no longer sate their prurient interests by raping Belgian women and then amputating their breasts. So the American public was told, in all seriousness, by people working on behalf of a secretive British propaganda committee headed by Charles Masterman.

In 1915, an official Commission headed by Viscount James Bryce, a notable British historian, “verified” those atrocity stories without naming a specific witness or victim. This didn’t satisfy Clarence Darrow, who offered a reward of $1,000 to anyone who could produce a Belgian or French victim who had been mutilated by German troops. That bounty went unclaimed.

“After the war,” recounts Thomas Fleming in his book Illusion of Victory, “historians who sought to examine the documentation for Bryce’s stories were told that the files had mysteriously disappeared. This blatant evasion prompted most historians to dismiss 99 percent of Bryce’s atrocities as fabrications.”

War emancipates every base and repulsive impulse to which fallen man is susceptible. So it’s certain that some German troops (like their French, Belgian, British, and American counterparts) exploited opportunities to commit individual acts of depraved cruelty. But the purpose of the war propaganda peddled by the Anglo-American elite, as Fleming observes, was to create a widespread public image of Germans as “monsters capable of appalling sadism” – thereby coating an appeal to murderous collective hatred with a lacquer of sanctimony.

I’ve described agitprop of this variety as “atrocity porn.” It is designed to appeal to prurient interests and manipulate a dangerous appetite – in this case, what Augustine calls the libido domimandi, or the lust to rule over others.

The trick is to leave the target audience at once shivering in horror at a spectacle of sub-human depravity, panting with a visceral desire for vengeance, and rapturously self-righteous about the purity of its humane motives. People who succumb to it are easily subsumed into a hive mind of officially sanctioned hatred, and prepared to perpetrate crimes even more hideous than those that they believe typify the enemy.

Rhetoric of that kind abounded during the French Revolution, particularly the Jacobin regime’s war to annihilate the rebellious Vendee. It also figured prominently in the Lincoln regime’s war to conquer the newly independent southern states. However, it’s difficult to find a better expression of that mindset than the one offered in an editorial published in 1920 by Krasni Mech (The Red Sword), a publication of the Soviet Cheka secret police:

“Our morality has no precedent, and our humanity is absolute, because it rests on a new ideal. Our aim is to destroy all forms of oppression and violence. To us, everything is permitted, for we are the first to raise the sword not to oppress races and reduce them to slavery, but to liberate humanity from its shackles … Blood? Let blood flow like water … for only through the death of the old world can we liberate ourselves forever.” (Emphasis added.)

In pursuing his Grand Crusade for Democracy, Woodrow Wilson was squarely in that tradition, extolling the supposed virtue of “Force without stint or limit … the righteous and triumphant Force which shall make Right the law of the world and cast every selfish dominion in the dust.” To fortify the American “war will” through a steady diet of atrocity porn, the Wilson administration created a Department of Public Information that liaised with its British equivalent, as well as quasi-private British propaganda fronts such as the Navy League. That organization, Fleming points out, included “dozens of major bankers and corporate executives, from J.P. Morgan Jr. to Cornelius Vanderbilt.”

Through absolutely no fault of his own, Anderson Cooper is a great-great-grandson of Cornelius Vanderbilt. Of considerably greater interest is the fact that as a student at Yale, Cooper spent two summers as an intern at Langley in a CIA program designed to cultivate future intelligence operatives.

When asked about Cooper’s background with the CIA, a CNN spokeswoman insisted that he chose not to pursue a job with the Agency after graduating from Yale. The same can be said, however, of many of the CIA’s most valuable media assets.

As Carl Bernstein documented decades ago, the CIA “ran a formal training program in the 1950s to teach its agents to be journalists. Intelligence officers were ‘taught how to make noises like reporters,’ explained a high CIA official, and were then placed in major news organizations with help from management. ‘These were the guys who went through the ranks and were told, ‘You’re going to be a journalist,’ the CIA official said. Relatively few of the 400-some [media] relationships described in Agency files followed that pattern, however; most involved persons who were already bona fide journalists when they began undertaking tasks for the Agency.”

By way of an initiative called “Operation Mockingbird,” the CIA built a large seraglio of paid media courtesans. This was carried out through the Office of Policy Coordination, which was created by Allen Dulles and Frank Wisner – the latter being the official who went on to organize coups (and the attendant propaganda campaigns) against governments in Iran and Guatemala. (Wisner’s son and namesake, incidentally, was a vice chairman at AIG – the CIA’s favorite global insurance conglomerate – until 2009; more recently he was tapped by the Obama administration to serve as a back-channel contact with Hosni Mubarak and Omar Suleiman.)

The tendrils of “Operation Mockingbird” extended through every significant national media organ, from the Washington Post and Newsweek to the Time-Life conglomerate, from the New York Times to CBS. As a result, according to former CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the Fourth Estate “has been captured by government and corporations, the military-industrial complex, the intelligence apparatus.” It is, in everything but name, an appendage of the Regime. This is clearly seen every time the Regime decides the time has come to mount another campaign of humanitarian bloodshed abroad.

Having “learned nothing from the horrors that they cheer-led like excitable teenage girls over the past 15 years, these bohemian bombers, these latte-sipping lieutenants, these iPad imperialists are back,” sighs a wearily disgusted Brendan O’Neill in the London Telegraph. “This time they’re demanding the invasion of Libya.”

On O’Neill’s side of the Atlantic, the Fleet Street Samurai are peddling “rumors of systematic male rape” in Libya. Others insist that the prospective war in Libya would in no way resemble “the foolishness of the Iraq invasion” – just as similar self-appointed sages promised that the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, each of which has lasted at least as long as the Vietnam War, would not be “another Vietnam.”

For some reason, this brings to mind the image of Bullwinkle repeatedly trying to pull a rabbit from his hat, blithely batting aside Rocky’s complaint that the trick “never works” by exclaiming, “This time for sure!” This time, we’re supposed to believe – or at least, pretend to believe – that the atrocity accounts are true, that military action sanctified by the “international community” is a moral obligation, that warlust and hatred are virtuous, and that the impending bloodshed will be a cleansing stream.

As is the case, one supposes, with any other variety, war pornography is nothing if not predictable. However, unlike Bullwinkle’s inept attempts at thaumaturgy, war porn is a trick that seems to work every time.




And if you're in the business of selling oil, this is all just GREAT. Heck, a person might even be motivated to spread rumors or start something just to experience the tingly joy of watching the resulting rise in price.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/and-de ... magic-word

And Defense Secretary Gates Just Uttered The Magic Word...

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 03/02/2011 11:30 -0500

Crude POMO

US Defense Secretary Gates says establishing no-fly zone for Libya would require an attack on Libya

As a result, the entire crude complex levitated higher as if HFTed by the Fed's POMO desk.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:16 pm

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I've changed my mind on the odds of a US military intervention unless it's a UN-backed NATO operation.

The humanitarian imperialists -- where's Samantha Power? -- are getting themselves excited enough to join the neocon chorus, but don't be so sure the Pentagon is thrilled about the prospects of wading into a war between heavily armed sides in a very large country of 140 tribes they can't even pretend to know shit about. At the same time they're still pinned down in Afghanistan and heavily deployed in Iraq. I can imagine they'd love an excuse to bomb airfields, or if they see a chance to play the heroes by conducting an extraction or decapitation of Cadaphey. Just a few hundred special forces who only strike but do not occupy for long can exert enormous force, but I wonder if they'll risk even that. Anything on the ground means US casualties. One possibility is to seize southern airfields and oil fields for "safekeeping" until the north is settled, but that would go over poorly and there's nothing that can be done with the oil until the north is settled.

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Nordic » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:20 pm

I think they're gonna bomb Tripoli and grab the oil fields.
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby DevilYouKnow » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:50 pm

Talk of Arab League/African Union enforcing no fly zone now. That might even be a good idea if this draws out, which unfortunately it looks like it will.

I agree Riddler, a unilateral US invasion is not something I can see happening.

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby Stephen Morgan » Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:53 pm

Nordic wrote:I think they're gonna bomb Tripoli and grab the oil fields.

We? Count me out.

Anyone offering odds on how this is going to go?
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Re: The Libya thread

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Mar 02, 2011 7:46 pm

Okay, sorry if it's gross but I guess that de facto we are betting. I say:

- The Pentagon does not see an upside at this time.

- The bomb-for-fun-and-profit crowd (neocons) and the cruise-missile humanitarians are not enough at this time, they aren't in the right positions this year, and they would have needed more preparation. It may be over before they can have an effect.

- Obama is not ordering an intervention in Libya for the next couple of weeks unless it includes EU/NATO. And he'll at the very least wait for a UN resolution vote, whether it's up or down. (We'll revisit this in a couple of weeks.) Exception possibly for a low-risk adventure if the opportunity is presented to extract or assassinate the Brother-Leader (hey, I can spell it, finally).

- The real danger for an intervention designed to screw with the uprisings, not necessarily now but at any time in the next few months, comes from Israel. They may commit unprecedented atrocities in the territories or strike into Lebanon again, thinking it could scare hardline Arab regimes into crackdowns, focus Egyptian attention on Israel at a very inopportune time for Egypt to fuck up their process, spark a wider war, or who knows what. The Israeli maniac faction might push an adventure on some self-delusive justification because they believe in action and think high risks are necessary, even if it looks stupid to us. It probably makes them high.

- Other rogue insanities not ruled out. Hey, it's End Times, right?

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby lupercal » Wed Mar 02, 2011 8:13 pm

^ A little late for that. UK special forces have officially been in Libya since at least Sunday, and have unofficially been there longer:

SAS 'Blades' rescue 150: Crack team of commandos snatch terrified Britons from desert nightmare in war-torn Libya
By Christopher Leake - Last updated at 10:58 AM on 27th February 2011

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The Special Forces soldiers landed in two C130 Hercules military transport aircraft on a landing strip near remote oilfields south of the eastern port of Benghazi.

The SAS men – known as ‘blades’ because of their role at the sharp end of the mission – had flown from Malta’s Valletta airport, where, in meticulous detail, they planned the rescue of the stranded workers, many of them British.

The mission was ordered by David Cameron to prevent the workers being taken hostage by Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi and his dwindling band of fanatical supporters.

Although the SAS troops were heavily armed with assault rifles, machine guns and shotguns, it is understood they met no resistance. Gee, why would that be?

A senior source confirmed that an advance party of SAS men had been in Libya for several days . . . .

The SAS party had sneaked into Libya in plain clothes on commercial flights on Tuesday.

They then reported to the British Embassy and picked up weapons being kept there after they had been flown in earlier in a ‘red box’, or diplomatic bag.


. . . .

A military source said: ‘It was a textbook SAS operation . . .’ Funny, that's been my impression too.

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Last night Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox said: ‘I can confirm that two RAF C130 Hercules aircraft have evacuated more than 150 civilians from desert locations south of Benghazi.

'The first aircraft has landed in Malta and the second will arrive shortly.

. . . .

For the men of 22 SAS Regiment, yesterday’s mission was a return to their roots in the Second World War when they were founded by Sir David Stirling and called themselves the ‘Libyan Taxi Service’.

Originally known as the Long Range Desert Group, they were formed in Egypt in 1940, but operated over a wide area of the Middle East on covert missions including Libya.
How nice.

In Tripoli, Gaddafi has started handing out guns to civilians as he tries to shore up his remaining power base. He has ordered his Revolutionary Committee militia forces to distribute weapons to Libyans still loyal to his regime.

In another sign of the dictator’s determination to cling on to power, his British-educated son Saif warned that the east of the country – now in rebel hands – would not be allowed to break away and that Libya could descend into civil war. Nice kid huh?

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David Cameron was last night discussing the crisis with fellow European leaders, as members of the UN Security Council resumed discussions in New York on to how to protect people in Libya.

Britain is pushing for an arms embargo, a travel ban and asset freeze, and a war crimes investigation into Gaddafi’s crackdown on his people.
Oh I'll bet.

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Re: The Libya thread

Postby DrVolin » Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:23 pm

JackRiddler wrote:.
don't be so sure the Pentagon is thrilled about the prospects of wading into a war between heavily armed sides in a very large country of 140 tribes they can't even pretend to know shit about.

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I'm sure they're not thrilled, but they've got anthropologists.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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