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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:55 pm

Election Ringside is a daily e-mail exchange for The Globe and Mail between strategists Tom Flanagan and John Duffy (Naturally, Conservative and Liberal. No NDPer admitted to the table.)

Liberal Duffy analyzing the nightly Nanos rolling poll.

Let's focus on something else: The NDP may be in first place, or pretty darn close to it.

Let me explain. The Nanos research poll, probably the heaviest covered of the campaign, this morning reported national voting intentions of Conservative: 37.8 per cent; NDP: 27.8 per cent; Liberal: 22.9 per cent; BQ: 5.8 per cent; and Green: 4.7 per cent for the period ending April 26. It takes a little arithmetic with this three-day rolling poll, but when you isolate last night's numbers, you get the NDP in first place with 36.2 per cent; the Conservatives second with 35 per cent; the Liberals with 17.5 per cent, the BQ with 4.4 per cent and Greens with 6.9 per cent.

That's right. Nanos's April 26 sample had the NDP in first. This is not definitive; it has a high margin of error; it must be handled with great care. But add to that today's Forum Research poll, which showed a mere three points separating the Conservatives and the NDP, and it's pretty clear what is happening. The NDP either has closed, or is close to closing, the gap with the Conservatives.

There is no reason to believe otherwise, frankly, or that this has to come to a halt. Fact: various polls are now showing the NDP eating not only into the Liberal vote (as in Ontario) but also into the Conservative vote pretty much everywhere outside the prairies. Analysis is catching up. Fact: the NDP surge is showing no sign of abating. Fact: The NDP has a great, upbeat "closer"-style spot on television right now, while the other parties have ads that are not resonating. Fact: The Conservative response, which would probably be impressive, is nowhere to be seen, plus they just lost one of their best strategy guys at the worst possible moment. Meanwhile, the Liberals are starting to fall off the coverage radar. Fact: earned media campaign coverage is about to go dark for the Royal Wedding and the final weekend.

All of those factors would tend to continue the NDP surge. Recoil is possible, of course. But for now, there seems to be no real floor to the Liberal support (they went through that in 2008, pretended they were on a new form of solid ground and got used to it. Big mistake.) And as for the Conservatives, we know now that the Tory floor from one election to the next is around 30 per cent, but that means that Mr. Layton still has room to grow -- a fair bit in fact. And Mr. Harper has not run the kind of campaign that makes newcomers actually desire to stay in the Conservative tent.

I am seriously starting to wonder whether some sort of massive genie hasn't been let out of the bottle here. Mr. Harper has framed the campaign and its run-up as an anti-politics exercise. Putting words in the PM's mouth, I described his core pitch as being, "The heck with these elections we've all come to hate. Vote for a Harper majority and all this political crap gets out of your hair for four years." What appears to be happening here is that the anti-politics appeal has found its audience, and it's expression is "the heck with Harper and Ignatieff." The response seems not to have taken the form of Liberal voters sourly staying home and throwing the election to the Conservatives. Rather, it appears the anti-politician mood that the Prime Minister stoked has created an immense opening for Mr. Layton's positive, uplifting, take-a-chance-on-me offering.




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Re: Canada election watch

Postby stoneonstone » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:32 pm

"Rather, it appears the anti-politician mood that the Prime Minister stoked has created an immense opening for Mr. Layton's positive, uplifting, take-a-chance-on-me offering. "

can't resist....

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby DrVolin » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:55 pm

We're about to find out how real our elections are...
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:12 pm

S
oaring Layton outpaces Harper in leadership ratings
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The daily Nanos leadership index, from April 26 and released Wednesday afternoon, has Mr. Layton jumping 13 points to 86.2 overall, with Mr. Harper falling the same amount to a second-place score of 82.7. Mr. Ignatieff trails distantly with a score of 40.1, essentially unchanged from the previous poll.

Mr. Layton leads with 33.2 per cent of respondents saying he is the most trusted leader, while 24.5 per cent of respondents say they trust Mr. Harper the most; 11.3 per cent say the same for Mr. Ignatieff.

The NDP Leader also has a slight edge over Mr. Harper on having the best vision for Canada, although that advantage is within the poll’s margin of error.

The Conservative Leader has a narrow lead on the question of who is the most competent leader: 30.7 per cent to Mr. Layton’s 23.9 per cent, half of the lead that Mr. Harper held previously.
<snip>


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/soaring-layton-outpaces-harper-in-leadership-ratings/article2001400/

and check out this EKOS release:

Seat projection:
¤ CPC: 131 seats
¤ NDP: 92 seats
¤ LPC: 63 seats
¤ BQ: 21 seats
¤ GP: 0 seats
¤ other: 1 seat

http://www.ekospolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/issue_and_seat_projection_april_27_2011.pdf
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby eyeno » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:16 pm

DrVolin wrote:We're about to find out how real our elections are...



I have not read this whole thread so if this has been covered forgive me. But, how is the vote counting done? Is it a Diebold situation?
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:18 pm

Paper ballots, eyeno. Hand-counted with party scrutineers.

The Conservatives are running very scared right now.

They've just issued a media release, "What does a vote for Jack Layton’s NDP really mean?"

Includes:

A Vote for Conspiracy Theorists…

David Laird, Jack Layton’s candidate in Burlington, said “We all know that there is no greater terrorist threat…than the secret government operating in the USA.” (http://futureworks.blogspot.com/, Feb. 25, 2003)

Libby Davies, Jack Layton’s candidate in Vancouver East, introduced a petition in Parliament that said “scientific and eyewitness evidence shows that the 9-11 Commission Report is a fraudulent document and that elements within the US government were complicit in the murder of thousands of people on 9-11, 2001″ (House of Commons Debates, June 10, 2008). Davies also suggested that Israel has been occupying Palestinian territories since 1948, the year of its independence, calling it the “longest occupation in the world.” (Toronto Star, June 15, 2010)

When asked by a 9-11 conspiracy theorist about supporting Canadian pressure on the American government to investigate the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack, Jack Layton’s candidate in Edmonton Centre, Lewis Cardinal said “Fundamentally, I agree in principle with what you are saying, so if there is something wrong and wrongdoing and we see the evidence for it, by all means our government should be pressing the American government to be addressing these issues.” (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg4sg4N44Ls)


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Re: Canada election watch

Postby DrVolin » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:34 pm

Hand counted paper ballots never bothered Duplessis.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Fresno_Layshaft » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:46 pm

DrVolin wrote:We're about to find out how real our elections are...


I think its gonna be a big wake up call. For some reason people think we're immune to electoral corruption. No way do the PTB let the frickin' NDP sweep into to power-- not gonna happen. It will be so easy to cover-up here, because people are so goddamn naive here. Just need Peter Mansbridge to say, "Well the great tide of support for the NDP just didn't materialize..." That will be the end of story. Cue a few more years of Harper Minority gov't.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:49 pm

The naysayers can eat my shorts! I'm hopeful! :happyclap: :happybanana:
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Jeff » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:48 pm

Old media endorsement time. I'll be curious to see if the NDP gets one. Discounting the Toronto Star's flirting with Broadbent in '79 to make Trudeau jealous and the odd alternative weekly, the NDP never does.

The Globe endorses Harper:

Only Stephen Harper and the Conservative Party have shown the leadership, the bullheadedness (let's call it what it is) and the discipline this country needs. He has built the Conservatives into arguably the only truly national party, and during his five years in office has demonstrated strength of character, resolve and a desire to reform.

...

The campaign of 2011 – so vicious and often vapid – should not be remembered fondly. But that will soon be behind us. If the result is a confident new Parliament, it could help propel Canada into a fresh period of innovation, government reform and global ambition. Stephen Harper and the Conservatives are best positioned to guide Canada there.


Nice comments.

New media is another story:



Young people are usually thought of as a politically apathetic group, but a predicted big turnout for the under-35s could end in unprecedented results for the NDP.

"The NDP has really skyrocketed over the past couple of weeks, partly because of Layton but also because of the way they are looking for those younger voters," Angus Reid pollster Mario Canseco said.

New media might be partly responsible for putting youth in the New Democrats' corner.

University students have used YouTube to encourage their peers to get out to advanced polls in so-called "vote mobs," while the party has proven adept at using social media like Twitter to get its message out.

"This is the way to connect with this generation," Canseco said.

He pointed to the English-language debate, when Jack Layton used the web-savvy expression "hashtag fail."

"He's speaking to this group, and this group can look at something like that, relate to it, and say this is somebody I want to support. A lot of people thought it was just a joke, but when they're at 37 per cent, it suddenly becomes interesting," Canseco said.

It still remains to be seen whether young people will actually vote on May 2, but voter turnout at the advance polls this year did set records, rising 34 per cent over 2008 numbers.


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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:53 am

That last video actually brought me to tears.
I think that if Ontario lets Canada down on this I'm going to have to move out.
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Re: Canada election watch

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Re: Canada election watch

Postby norton ash » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:39 pm

Headline: Harper warns of devastation and destruction if NDP gains control


But Stephen, maybe we've finally learned that capitalist vampires are the devastators.
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby Canadian_watcher » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:57 pm

Live inquisition of Geiger at the G&M on why they endorsed Harper.
Even in there it is clear who the conservative supporters are because they just can't stop themselves from being insulting.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/editorials/why-did-the-globe-endorse-the-conservatives/article2001821/
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Re: Canada election watch

Postby stoneonstone » Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:05 pm

leaking latest Harris-Decima poll confirms the NDP wave at this point - and the 5 point spread to the Retro-Conservatives; if Harper's private polling confirms, he must be in a really black sulk.

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